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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Aug 24, 2024 17:22:46 GMT
Every season we bring in new players, last season we shifted out the deadwood and brought in enough players to make a complete new team, and yet we STILL don't seem to be able to move on???
Each season we seem to be getting sucked ever closer to the trapdoor, sooner or later, it's gonna give, with us on it!!!
How many managers have we got through now.... And how many coaches have come with those managers, and no one can still get a tune out of us!!!
In my opinion, I think it's down to poor ambition on the managers we employ....
Rowett, a championship ready dinosaur!!!
Jones, a young lower league manager that was doing well with a small club!!!
O'Neill, best known for managing a few wins for Northern Ireland!!!
Neil, I personally thought we may be on to something here, seemingly a bit like Lambert, he'd done okay at a couple of his previous clubs, but even in his first season (two-thirds-of-a-season), it was evident that it was going to take some time, if ever, to recreate a Norwich!!!
And on to Schumacher, (read Jones)!!!
I don't know if it is down to that, but something is holding us back!!!
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Aug 24, 2024 17:24:18 GMT
The ownership.
Every other variable we have changed at some point.
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Post by nott1 on Aug 24, 2024 17:28:44 GMT
Every season we bring in new players, last season we shifted out the deadwood and brought in enough players to make a complete new team, and yet we STILL don't seem to be able to move on??? Each season we seem to be getting sucked ever closer to the trapdoor, sooner or later, it's gonna give, with us on it!!! How many managers have we got through now.... And how many coaches have come with those managers, and no one can still get a tune out of us!!! In my opinion, I think it's down to poor ambition on the managers we employ.... Rowett, a championship ready dinosaur!!! Jones, a young lower league manager that was doing well with a small club!!! O'Neill, best known for managing a few wins for Northern Ireland!!! Neil, I personally thought we may be on to something here, seemingly a bit like Lambert, he'd done okay at a couple of his previous clubs, but even in his first season (two-thirds-of-a-season), it was evident that it was going to take some time, if ever, to recreate a Norwich!!! And on to Schumacher, (read Jones)!!! I don't know if it is down to that, but something is holding us back!!! Incompetence? |
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Post by Club1863 on Aug 24, 2024 17:32:42 GMT
The ownership. Every other variable we have changed at some point. What is it with the ownership? They have given each manager a decent budget and after the ffp scare we had to calm it down a little bit and look for shrewd signings last season and in this window. They have cleared all club debt investing In facilities given the fans a fan zone building again at the training ground. I’m not saying it’s not the owners as you said every other variable has changed. Do they give too much control to the managers or not enough? |
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Aug 24, 2024 17:34:20 GMT
The ownership. Every other variable we have changed at some point. What is it with the ownership? They have given each manager a decent budget and after the ffp scare we had to calm it down a little bit and look for shrewd signings last season and in this window. They have cleared all club debt investing In facilities given the fans a fan zone building again at the training ground. I’m not saying it’s not the owners as you said every other variable has changed. Do they give too much control to the managers or not enough? John hasn’t got a clue what he’s doing, he’s been given the keys to the city and spray painted a cock on the town hall. |
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Post by retrostoke on Aug 24, 2024 17:38:35 GMT
FFS it’s August. We’ve got at least 4 more players to introduce + 2 coming back from injury.
Give it a rest
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Post by Clayton Wood on Aug 24, 2024 17:42:17 GMT
FFS it’s August. We’ve got at least 4 more players to introduce + 2 coming back from injury. Give it a rest Name the 4 |
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Post by canadianmoose on Aug 24, 2024 17:43:14 GMT
The pattern of play is there for all to see already.
Weak as piss and can’t pass a ball forwards to save their lives.
Men vs Boys.
It needs to change VERY quickly
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Post by Squeekster on Aug 24, 2024 17:45:00 GMT
The ownership. Every other variable we have changed at some point. Then what? Who buys us ? |
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Aug 24, 2024 17:46:36 GMT
The ownership. Every other variable we have changed at some point. Then what? Who buys us ? We don’t need to be bought, John can still be the money man just get people in who know the game not who used to play for us and worked aaaaaard. |
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Post by Clayton Wood on Aug 24, 2024 17:47:55 GMT
The ownership. Every other variable we have changed at some point. Then what? Who buys us ? Tesco? |
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Post by Squeekster on Aug 24, 2024 17:48:30 GMT
We don’t need to be bought, John can still be the money man just get people in who know the game not who used to play for us and worked aaaaaard. Isn't that what we are trying to do? |
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Post by danceswithclams on Aug 24, 2024 17:48:59 GMT
The ownership. Every other variable we have changed at some point. Then what? Who buys us ? No one will ever buy this club and as soon as the Coates family depart the club will instantly go to the wall. The best we can do is furiously tug those forelocks, continue to be 'forever grateful' and cling steadfastly to the little old Stoke 'this is all we deserve' mentality that has proved so successful in pushing both the club and the city as a whole forwards. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2024 17:49:58 GMT
We don’t need to be bought, John can still be the money man just get people in who know the game not who used to play for us and worked aaaaaard. There's the issue. If Walters was named Dave Smith and never played for us he wouldn't be in the role. |
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Post by Squeekster on Aug 24, 2024 17:50:12 GMT
Could do worse, didn't Brighton have something to do with Tesco back in the day or was that just comparing their kit to a tesco carrier bag? |
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Post by malteser68 on Aug 24, 2024 17:51:14 GMT
Easy - the obstinacy not to bring in a proper continental manager
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Aug 24, 2024 17:52:23 GMT
Well, every little helps!!! 🤔 |
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Post by Squeekster on Aug 24, 2024 17:53:41 GMT
No one will ever buy this club and as soon as the Coates family depart the club will instantly go to the wall. The best we can do is furiously tug those forelocks, continue to be 'forever grateful' and cling steadfastly to the little old Stoke 'this is all we deserve' mentality that has proved so successful in pushing both the club and the city as a whole forwards. Buy the club then mate, it's not perfect by any stretch of the imagination but at least the owner cares! |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Aug 24, 2024 17:54:19 GMT
FFS it’s August. We’ve got at least 4 more players to introduce + 2 coming back from injury. Give it a rest Name the 4 * Stevens * Lawal * Phillips Gallagher Pearson Rose Those starred I think will start. I’m hoping we’ll bring in RB CM (another decent one as I’ve had enough of Laurent and Thompson) STR |
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Post by Clayton Wood on Aug 24, 2024 17:58:06 GMT
* Stevens * Lawal * Phillips Gallagher Pearson Rose Those starred I think will start. I’m hoping we’ll bring in RB CM (another decent one as I’ve had enough of Laurent and Thompson) STR Hope you are right mate. But as it stands unless we shed a few the minimum has to be a striker or we are toast. |
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Post by danceswithclams on Aug 24, 2024 18:00:32 GMT
No one will ever buy this club and as soon as the Coates family depart the club will instantly go to the wall. The best we can do is furiously tug those forelocks, continue to be 'forever grateful' and cling steadfastly to the little old Stoke 'this is all we deserve' mentality that has proved so successful in pushing both the club and the city as a whole forwards. Buy the club then mate, it's not perfect by any stretch of the imagination but at least the owner cares! If they cared that much they'd admit that they don't know how to run a successful club in the era of 'modern football' and appoint a bunch of people who do whilst they sit in the background and sign the cheques. The Coates show no signs of ever doing this though, so we can either endure the torrents of directionless shite they're feeding us and hope that one day, by complete chance, they stumble upon something that works (like they did with Tony fucking Pulis) or agitate for change. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2024 18:01:51 GMT
A competent manager and a decent striker.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Aug 24, 2024 18:03:53 GMT
Buy the club then mate, it's not perfect by any stretch of the imagination but at least the owner cares! If they cared that much they'd admit that they don't know how to run a successful club in the era of 'modern football' and appoint a bunch of people who do whilst they sit in the background and sign the cheques. The Coates show no signs of ever doing this though, so we can either endure the torrents of directionless shite they're feeding us and hope that one day, by complete chance, they stumble upon something that works (like they did with Tony fucking Pulis) or agitate for change. Torrents of Directionless Shite didn't they... Fuck it, I am too pissed off tonight. |
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Post by retrostoke on Aug 24, 2024 18:05:20 GMT
FFS it’s August. We’ve got at least 4 more players to introduce + 2 coming back from injury. Give it a rest Name the 4 Moran will be a big player for us. He is class. Bosun. Supposedly quality. Phillips. Looks a good one. Gallagher. He will do his bit. Bae and Ryan are coming back from injury. Then add in a new striker this week. The season hasn’t started yet |
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Post by matelot1996 on Aug 24, 2024 18:06:48 GMT
Some wise man once said that a clubs success is not about Players, the Manager or The Chairman.
The club needs Principles (Ethos) by which it expects all of its employees to live by.
Stoke City Have no core ethos or principles.
They recruit managers and players on a whim. They demand very little of them.
This is reflected in the coaching and standards on the pitch.
Today Shumacher delivered a methodical shambles. He actually played 3 different formations and I'm guessing 7 or more players out of position at any given time.
WBA were an average opponent who looked as they would always come away without defeat.
In answer to your Question. What is holding us Back ?
Literally Everything that Stoke City does is holding us back.
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Post by matelot1996 on Aug 24, 2024 18:08:59 GMT
FFS it’s August. We’ve got at least 4 more players to introduce + 2 coming back from injury. Give it a rest We've had about 16 Million players into the club since our relegation. Why in Gods name do you think that ANY Player Stoke City recruits will improve our fortunes ? Please enlighten me. |
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Post by cdlstoke on Aug 24, 2024 18:10:08 GMT
No one will ever buy this club and as soon as the Coates family depart the club will instantly go to the wall. The best we can do is furiously tug those forelocks, continue to be 'forever grateful' and cling steadfastly to the little old Stoke 'this is all we deserve' mentality that has proved so successful in pushing both the club and the city as a whole forwards. Buy the club then mate, it's not perfect by any stretch of the imagination but at least the owner cares! Not a stoke fan late 80’s early 90’s then? Fans then would beg to differ |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Aug 24, 2024 18:10:22 GMT
What is it with the ownership? They have given each manager a decent budget and after the ffp scare we had to calm it down a little bit and look for shrewd signings last season and in this window. They have cleared all club debt investing In facilities given the fans a fan zone building again at the training ground. I’m not saying it’s not the owners as you said every other variable has changed. Do they give too much control to the managers or not enough? John hasn’t got a clue what he’s doing, he’s been given the keys to the city and spray painted a cock on the town hall. 😆 🤣 my first chuckle since I walked outta the ground at 5pm 👍 |
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Post by stuammo on Aug 24, 2024 18:14:16 GMT
The ownership. Every other variable we have changed at some point. What is it with the ownership? They have given each manager a decent budget and after the ffp scare we had to calm it down a little bit and look for shrewd signings last season and in this window. They have cleared all club debt investing In facilities given the fans a fan zone building again at the training ground. I’m not saying it’s not the owners as you said every other variable has changed. Do they give too much control to the managers or not enough? That’s the problem. We’re too easy to manage. No accountability. We blindly accept what the manager says. Oh and John Walters isn’t capable of doing the job he’s employed to do. Not qualified. Not experienced but it’s ok….hes super John the player. |
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Post by scfcwebby on Aug 24, 2024 18:16:09 GMT
We don’t need to be bought, John can still be the money man just get people in who know the game not who used to play for us and worked aaaaaard. Isn't that what we are trying to do? I really thought that WAS the direction we were going but we seem to have done a 180 turn and coming away from that model again. I appreciate that it's not a popular opinion on here but the one constant has been the management at the very top and the ones making the important decisions. It's become a job for the boys, absolute shambles at the moment |
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