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Post by sportsman on Aug 18, 2024 9:39:17 GMT
1.35 and 2.28 are just two of the best goalkeeper ever at catching shots. Loved him
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 18, 2024 9:43:26 GMT
I agree re the training (it’s what makes it so much fun though) but do you not think the game has evolved? I watch old matches and the goalies looks shit to me, even the ones that were considered the very best. Some of the stuff they do just looks so amateurish. But I wasn’t there, I have no nostalgia for it so imo it doesn’t cloud my judgment. Do I think modern keepers parry far too much? Absolutely. But I think football has evolved so much from the 70s. It looks so much quicker and the ball does way more. I suppose they’d argue that the ball moves more that back in the day of Shilton, Clemence and grobbelaar catching everything top corner, but other than that it’s the only difference. It’s just these modern coaches for me trying justify their pay by coming up with these training drills of keepers flying around their goal like mad men and parrying everything that comes at them It definitely moves less. And the shots generally just look slower but that could be the camera technology? I wasn’t there to judge first hand. I just watch old 70s football and just think it looks ponderous compared to modern football. Like I said I agree re the coaching. I still don’t think either one of the goals yesteday were easy grabs though. The first one he maybe should but I’m sure he didn’t see it until very late. The second one he saves perfectly imo. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 18, 2024 9:44:27 GMT
1.35 and 2.28 are just two of the best goalkeeper ever at catching shots. Loved him 1.35 one looks slow, is straight and is the middle of the goal. 2.28 - would defo be tipped now. |
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Post by sportsman on Aug 18, 2024 9:49:03 GMT
I suppose they’d argue that the ball moves more that back in the day of Shilton, Clemence and grobbelaar catching everything top corner, but other than that it’s the only difference. It’s just these modern coaches for me trying justify their pay by coming up with these training drills of keepers flying around their goal like mad men and parrying everything that comes at them It definitely moves less. And the shots generally just look slower but that could be the camera technology? I wasn’t there to judge first hand. I just watch old 70s football and just think it looks ponderous compared to modern football. Like I said I agree re the coaching. I still don’t think either one of the goals yesteday were easy grabs though. The first one he maybe should but I’m sure he didn’t see it until very late. The second one he saves perfectly imo. When I looked at the match thread he was getting slated. When I saw the highlights I saw a modern goalkeeper doing what he could do and parry them out as they are coached like all keepers so not really knocking him on them first two goals. The highlights I saw on YouTube showed a shot first half that was not hit too hard coming right at him and he parried it sideways! That was the only one I’d pick him on really The keepers im on about back in the day are more as I’ve mentioned above 80’ keepers. Just took pressure off the defence by catching anything they could hold |
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Post by spoton on Aug 18, 2024 10:08:57 GMT
It definitely moves less. And the shots generally just look slower but that could be the camera technology? I wasn’t there to judge first hand. I just watch old 70s football and just think it looks ponderous compared to modern football. Like I said I agree re the coaching. I still don’t think either one of the goals yesteday were easy grabs though. The first one he maybe should but I’m sure he didn’t see it until very late. The second one he saves perfectly imo. When I looked at the match thread he was getting slated. When I saw the highlights I saw a modern goalkeeper doing what he could do and parry them out as they are coached like all keepers so not really knocking him on them first two goals. The highlights I saw on YouTube showed a shot first half that was not hit too hard coming right at him and he parried it sideways! That was the only one I’d pick him on really The keepers im on about back in the day are more as I’ve mentioned above 80’ keepers. Just took pressure off the defence by catching anything they could hold Sorry but they are not coached to parry them out,they are coached if need be to parry the shots to safety |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 18, 2024 10:15:23 GMT
When I looked at the match thread he was getting slated. When I saw the highlights I saw a modern goalkeeper doing what he could do and parry them out as they are coached like all keepers so not really knocking him on them first two goals. The highlights I saw on YouTube showed a shot first half that was not hit too hard coming right at him and he parried it sideways! That was the only one I’d pick him on really The keepers im on about back in the day are more as I’ve mentioned above 80’ keepers. Just took pressure off the defence by catching anything they could hold Sorry but they are not coached to parry them out,they are coached if need be to parry the shots to safety They are generally coached that parrying is safer than keeping hold of it. |
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Post by sportsman on Aug 18, 2024 10:16:12 GMT
When I looked at the match thread he was getting slated. When I saw the highlights I saw a modern goalkeeper doing what he could do and parry them out as they are coached like all keepers so not really knocking him on them first two goals. The highlights I saw on YouTube showed a shot first half that was not hit too hard coming right at him and he parried it sideways! That was the only one I’d pick him on really The keepers im on about back in the day are more as I’ve mentioned above 80’ keepers. Just took pressure off the defence by catching anything they could hold Sorry but they are not coached to parry them out,they are coached if need be to parry the shots to safety Sometimes though when the shots come at you, you save/parry them how best you can when it comes at you at speed. I watched some of the West Ham and villa game and the keeper was doing the same. I’m sure they always prefer if they can to parry them to safety but sometimes they just come off the glove how they do |
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Post by Stoke711 on Aug 18, 2024 10:16:29 GMT
This. Not sure how/why people are trying to defend his performance. He was poor. A good keeper doesn’t concede 65 goals in a season A good keeper in a bad team will concede a lot of goals regardless. |
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Post by sportsman on Aug 18, 2024 10:19:23 GMT
Sorry but they are not coached to parry them out,they are coached if need be to parry the shots to safety They are generally coached that parrying is safer than keeping hold of it. That’s where I Blame the coaches. If it was left to them they’d catch nothing. Catch and pull it into the body. I bet I know what defenders would like to play in front of, a keeper that takes the pressure off snd holds what he can. |
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Post by spoton on Aug 18, 2024 10:22:49 GMT
Sorry but they are not coached to parry them out,they are coached if need be to parry the shots to safety They are generally coached that parrying is safer than keeping hold of it. That maybe the case but they are definitely not coached to parry back into the 6yd box,looking at the highlights it looks to me he tries to gather the first but he makes a hash of it,second parries into the 6yd box{admittedly the defender should clear but it should have been parried wider},3rd difficult but stronger hands may have kept it out |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 18, 2024 10:26:36 GMT
They are generally coached that parrying is safer than keeping hold of it. That maybe the case but they are definitely not coached to parry back into the 6yd box,looking at the highlights it looks to me he tries to gather the first but he makes a hash of it,second parries into the 6yd box{admittedly the defender should clear but it should have been parried wider},3rd difficult but stronger hands may have kept it out I think that’s exactly what happens with the first but I think it’s bad luck because he’s seen it so late. It can happen. The second is fine. Where else is he meant to put that? It went straight to a Stoke player who fucked it up. He literally can’t parry it wider or it become close to going in off the post territory. The third is bad luck. It’s not about strong hands. The deflection takes the ball away from where he thinks the ball will be. You do that and anything can happen. |
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Post by OldStokie on Aug 18, 2024 10:36:20 GMT
*Loved the vid of Grobbelaar. Brilliant character and 'keeper.*
Regarding Johansson, Even Banksy would have struggled with some of that shit defending in front of him. It was appalling.
OS.
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Post by zigazaga on Aug 18, 2024 11:04:09 GMT
Rotheram let in 89 goals last season. Just sayin.
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Post by LGH87 on Aug 18, 2024 11:06:55 GMT
This. Not sure how/why people are trying to defend his performance. He was poor. A good keeper doesn’t concede 65 goals in a season Pretty sure Begovic and Sorensen both conceded those sort of numbers and they’re the best two keepers I’ve seen play for Stoke 🤷♂️ |
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Post by emretezzy on Aug 18, 2024 11:10:42 GMT
Sorry but they are not coached to parry them out,they are coached if need be to parry the shots to safety They are generally coached that parrying is safer than keeping hold of it. Haha are they fuck. |
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Post by AlliG on Aug 18, 2024 11:16:22 GMT
A good keeper doesn’t concede 65 goals in a season Pretty sure Begovic and Sorensen both conceded those sort of numbers and they’re the best two keepers I’ve seen play for Stoke 🤷♂️ Gordon Banks also conceded 66 goals in 1967/68 season (missed 3 games when we conceded another 7). |
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Post by thepottypotter on Aug 18, 2024 11:27:37 GMT
The first I think is a bit harsh. He’s seen it late, got low and just stopped it. More bad luck than bad keeping imo. The second, he parries it as wide as he can. The defender has to deal with it. The third takes a deflection. It’s rare as hens teeth, but I agree with Bayern’s analysis on this one. Watched the highlights and I don’t blame Johannson for any of the goals yesterday. wtf was Bocat doing for the 2nd? So dumb not to hoof it clear it from the 6 yard box!! |
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Post by spoton on Aug 18, 2024 12:38:12 GMT
Pretty sure Begovic and Sorensen both conceded those sort of numbers and they’re the best two keepers I’ve seen play for Stoke 🤷♂️ Gordon Banks also conceded 66 goals in 1967/68 season (missed 3 games when we conceded another 7). also remember him parrying the ball around the goal post from PELE ,NOW THATS HOW TO PARRY A BALL TO SAFETY |
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Post by chayseeoatcake on Aug 18, 2024 12:42:08 GMT
Signing the goalkeeper you scored 11 goals past the previous season maybe isn’t a great idea. IMO.
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Post by cheadlepotter on Aug 18, 2024 12:43:22 GMT
So we’re giving him the bloody eagle treatment on the Boothen End goalposts already then?
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Post by LGH87 on Aug 18, 2024 12:49:11 GMT
Some on here have a weird obsession with slagging new keepers off.
Travers was slagged off for the first 5/6 games and so was Iversen.
Both proved to be more than capable and so will Vik.
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Post by SuperRickyFuller on Aug 18, 2024 12:53:07 GMT
Rotheram let in 89 goals last season. Just sayin. That's a very daft and simplistic way of looking at it. Just sayin. |
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Post by professorplump on Aug 18, 2024 13:04:02 GMT
Rotheram let in 89 goals last season. Just sayin. How many of those were Johannson's fault? |
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Post by suck_the_mop. on Aug 18, 2024 13:15:02 GMT
Signing the goalkeeper you scored 11 goals past the previous season maybe isn’t a great idea. IMO. I think it was 5, four at home one away from a worldy free kick from Baker no keeper was stopping that, he also kept them in that game at their place first half,the 6 in the league cup game was a different keeper. |
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Post by chayseeoatcake on Aug 18, 2024 16:16:09 GMT
Rotheram let in 89 goals last season. Just sayin. How many of those were Johannson's fault? Post them all up. Let’s have a look and we can decide. I’m going for 25. |
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Post by mks1958 on Aug 18, 2024 16:24:21 GMT
The first I think is a bit harsh. He’s seen it late, got low and just stopped it. More bad luck than bad keeping imo. The second, he parries it as wide as he can. The defender has to deal with it. The third takes a deflection. It’s rare as hens teeth, but I agree with Bayern’s analysis on this one. Watched the highlights and I don’t blame Johannson for any of the goals yesterday. wtf was Bocat doing for the 2nd? So dumb not to hoof it clear it from the 6 yard box!! Then you have very low expectations of a goalkeeper |
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Post by Block 26 on Aug 18, 2024 16:31:48 GMT
He’s a decent keeper, we know it & have seen it at Rotherham.
It must be terrifying being a Stoke player, make a mistake & the fans will hang you!
I personally feel a lot more comfortable than I have done for the past few years having vik between the sticks.
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Post by walton corner on Aug 18, 2024 16:33:11 GMT
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Post by AlliG on Aug 18, 2024 16:51:03 GMT
He’s a decent keeper, we know it & have seen it at Rotherham. It must be terrifying being a Stoke player, make a mistake & the fans will hang you! I personally feel a lot more comfortable than I have done for the past few years having vik between the sticks. We have just seen the "World's Best" goalkeeper (Ederson) push a tame shot straight back to a Chelsea player on the edge of the 6 yard box but get lucky because the Chelsea player had wandered offside. |
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Post by pistol on Aug 18, 2024 16:59:56 GMT
No blame for any of those goals on the keeper yesterday
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