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Post by scfcno1fan on Aug 17, 2024 20:28:02 GMT
It’s frustrating as they were pretty regulation saves today, saves he would have made with ease the last couple of seasons.
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Post by spoton on Aug 17, 2024 20:38:30 GMT
Defence were all over the place today you can’t just blame Viktor. He will definitely pull us out of the shit more times than he makes mistakes this season. Best keeper we’ve had for years. Fucking hell he is. I'd be surprised if we don't see Bobham before the seasons out. Totally agree he's just box standard |
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Post by stokiejoe on Aug 17, 2024 20:49:56 GMT
Any keeper needs a good defence, today he didn't have one.
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Post by scfcrmagic on Aug 17, 2024 20:58:10 GMT
Thought he could have done better, but lack of defence didn’t help.
He reminds me of a viking he just needs a hat with horns on the side
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Post by stantheman on Aug 17, 2024 21:09:30 GMT
Bachmann has always looked solid and reliable for Watford since he left us. Do sometimes wonder if we let keepers depart too soon. To be fair he never had a great deal to do today but what he did have to do he dealt with comfortably.. And a muppet behind me kept screaming 'Stoke reject' every time he touched the ball |
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Post by stokeson on Aug 17, 2024 21:43:53 GMT
1st goal is on Gooch lost his player he made the save but no support in the 2nd phase
2nd goal is on Bocat he made the save but Bocat lost the ball in the 2nd phase.
3rd goal took a deflection off Gibsons boot that changed its direction . Got a hand on it but just not his day.....
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 17, 2024 21:52:12 GMT
1st goal is on Gooch lost his player he made the save but no support in the 2nd phase 2nd goal is on Bocat he made the save but Bocat lost the ball in the 2nd phase. 3rd goal took a deflection off Gibsons boot that changed its direction . Got a hand on it but just not his day..... 1st goal, yes clown defending from Gooch, but what the hell is the goalie doing parrying the ball in that direction, when it was straightforward for him to parry it out of danger 2nd Bocat and Junior - really poor by both 3rd even with the deflection thought he could have done better. |
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Post by proudstokie on Aug 17, 2024 21:58:05 GMT
Not solely but at fault for all 3 goals!
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Post by stokeson on Aug 17, 2024 22:08:50 GMT
1st goal is on Gooch lost his player he made the save but no support in the 2nd phase 2nd goal is on Bocat he made the save but Bocat lost the ball in the 2nd phase. 3rd goal took a deflection off Gibsons boot that changed its direction . Got a hand on it but just not his day..... 1st goal, yes clown defending from Gooch, but what the hell is the goalie doing parrying the ball in that direction, when it was straightforward for him to parry it out of danger 2nd Bocat and Junior - really poor by both 3rd even with the deflection thought he could have done better. His job is first to make the save which he did but i agree the parry was slack but defenders should do better |
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Post by staffordstokiemad1 on Aug 17, 2024 22:20:00 GMT
For me it seems like a fair few people on here have been waiting for him to make a mistake or have a bad game so they can jump all over it, weird behaviour.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 17, 2024 22:24:16 GMT
Looks like we might need emergency cover if bonham has a fractured wrist
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Post by roylandstoke on Aug 17, 2024 22:33:24 GMT
Should have done better with the first.
Unlucky with the second.
No chance with the third, once it had been deflected.
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Post by redandy on Aug 17, 2024 22:37:30 GMT
Maybe the footballs are different / lighter than times of old, but whe he is pushing the ball back out into the 6 yard box, old keepers would have kept hold of the ball, there's too much fisting and parrying nowadays. Foxy would have kept hold of the two shots he parried today, maybe Johannson needs to add ralgex to his gloves?
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Post by smallthorner on Aug 17, 2024 22:54:59 GMT
Just seen the highlights.
He was wank today.
Full stop.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 17, 2024 23:44:36 GMT
The first I think is a bit harsh. He’s seen it late, got low and just stopped it. More bad luck than bad keeping imo.
The second, he parries it as wide as he can. The defender has to deal with it.
The third takes a deflection.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 17, 2024 23:46:42 GMT
1st goal is on Gooch lost his player he made the save but no support in the 2nd phase 2nd goal is on Bocat he made the save but Bocat lost the ball in the 2nd phase. 3rd goal took a deflection off Gibsons boot that changed its direction . Got a hand on it but just not his day..... 1st goal, yes clown defending from Gooch, but what the hell is the goalie doing parrying the ball in that direction, when it was straightforward for him to parry it out of danger 2nd Bocat and Junior - really poor by both 3rd even with the deflection thought he could have done better. I’d love to know if anyone else that has played in goal thinks the first is simple? Coming through the defenders legs like it has makes it hard imo. He will have seen that so late. He almost got too good a hand on it. |
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Post by pottersrule on Aug 18, 2024 5:36:50 GMT
The first I think is a bit harsh. He’s seen it late, got low and just stopped it. More bad luck than bad keeping imo. The second, he parries it as wide as he can. The defender has to deal with it. The third takes a deflection. If Bonham had performed like that you would have slaughtered him.The shot he left that hit the bar and could have gone anywhere was particularly puzzling. |
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Post by emretezzy on Aug 18, 2024 6:11:49 GMT
1st goal, yes clown defending from Gooch, but what the hell is the goalie doing parrying the ball in that direction, when it was straightforward for him to parry it out of danger 2nd Bocat and Junior - really poor by both 3rd even with the deflection thought he could have done better. I’d love to know if anyone else that has played in goal thinks the first is simple? Coming through the defenders legs like it has makes it hard imo. He will have seen that so late. He almost got too good a hand on it. The first is pathetic. He has to keep it. Second he parries. A Good keeper who's bigger has the chance to keep hold of it. Third he gets a wrist to it and once he's done that he should save it. I do let him off on the third as it takes a deflection. Overall very very bad day at the office for him. I'd say in both games we have seen he is erratic and prefers to parry than try and hold. A calming presence he most certainly isn't. |
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Post by scfcno1fan on Aug 18, 2024 6:23:31 GMT
Just seen the highlights. He was wank today. Full stop. This. Not sure how/why people are trying to defend his performance. He was poor. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 18, 2024 6:29:42 GMT
I’d love to know if anyone else that has played in goal thinks the first is simple? Coming through the defenders legs like it has makes it hard imo. He will have seen that so late. He almost got too good a hand on it. The first is pathetic. He has to keep it. Second he parries. A Good keeper who's bigger has the chance to keep hold of it. Third he gets a wrist to it and once he's done that he should save it. I do let him off on the third as it takes a deflection. Overall very very bad day at the office for him. I'd say in both games we have seen he is erratic and prefers to parry than try and hold. A calming presence he most certainly isn't. Why does he have to keep it? He sees it late. Once you see it late and are reacting later you keep it out at all costs. The second there is literally nothing else he can do. He parries it wide and to a Stoke player who then should deal with it. No keeper holds on to that. The third is just bad luck. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 18, 2024 6:31:43 GMT
The first I think is a bit harsh. He’s seen it late, got low and just stopped it. More bad luck than bad keeping imo. The second, he parries it as wide as he can. The defender has to deal with it. The third takes a deflection. If Bonham had performed like that you would have slaughtered him.The shot he left that hit the bar and could have gone anywhere was particularly puzzling. I just don’t think it was bad goalkeeping for the goals. The first one is the only one where people may have a point. But I actually think with how late he probably saves that it’s actually a really good save. I can’t believe anyone is actually blaming him for the second and third. |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Aug 18, 2024 7:03:18 GMT
If Bonham had performed like that you would have slaughtered him.The shot he left that hit the bar and could have gone anywhere was particularly puzzling. I just don’t think it was bad goalkeeping for the goals. The first one is the only one where people may have a point. But I actually think with how late he probably saves that it’s actually a really good save. I can’t believe anyone is actually blaming him for the second and third. Agreed 2nd was on Eric 3rd was a good effort. He’s a good keeper. Reminds me a bit of Grobelaar. May make the odd mistake but the good far outweighs the bad and he’ll win us plenty of games. Not his best game yesterday but he’s a good keeper. Biggest issue yesterday was the fullbacks and the system of inverted fullbacks. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 18, 2024 7:42:48 GMT
1st goal is on Gooch lost his player he made the save but no support in the 2nd phase 2nd goal is on Bocat he made the save but Bocat lost the ball in the 2nd phase. 3rd goal took a deflection off Gibsons boot that changed its direction . Got a hand on it but just not his day..... 1st goal, yes clown defending from Gooch, but what the hell is the goalie doing parrying the ball in that direction, when it was straightforward for him to parry it out of danger 2nd Bocat and Junior - really poor by both 3rd even with the deflection thought he could have done better. If I was making a case for the defence of the keeper I’d say Gooch made a straightforward save more difficult by going straight in his line of sight without attempting to block the ball so he saw it a little late on the 1st. Quite what Gooch was doing is anyone’s guess. I’m not sure he was at fault for the 2nd. Again, bocat and Gooch let him down badly following the initial save. The 3rd was a late deflection and it seemed like he actually dived past it as a result. All that said he should have done better. He seemed to lose confidence after he let that looper in the 1st half drop onto the bar and he looked a little shaky thereafter. Hopefully it’s just a one off and not indicative of what is to come consistently. |
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Post by questionable on Aug 18, 2024 7:53:48 GMT
Just seen the highlights. He was wank today. Full stop. This. Not sure how/why people are trying to defend his performance. He was poor. A good keeper doesn’t concede 65 goals in a season |
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 18, 2024 8:02:24 GMT
Really should have done better for their first and third, especially their third. Expect better from you Victor!  |
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Post by fca47 on Aug 18, 2024 8:04:04 GMT
Must say he looked ropey in the pre-season games, then against Coventry I thought he looked good, but looking back at the highlights, oh dear, very unconvincing. The defence didn't help after the saves, but even then .
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Post by sportsman on Aug 18, 2024 9:18:42 GMT
For me having just watched the highlights I put it down to modern day coaches and training.
I’ve just watched some prem highlights from yesterday and all the keepers are doing the same as ours yesterday, parrying everything out instead of catching them.
Keepers back in the day used to catch everything, even top corner and we used to laugh at foreign keepers for parrying everything.
Now you see these drills in training where all they do is fire balls at them as quick as they can, then the keeper has to jump up as fast as he can then another is belted at him to throw himself all around the place is a mad scrambled panic and so on.
How about teaching them to calmly catch the bloody thing instead of inviting more pressure on?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 18, 2024 9:22:37 GMT
For me having just watched the highlights I put it down to modern day coaches and training. I’ve just watched some prem highlights from yesterday and all the keepers are doing the same as ours yesterday, parrying everything out instead of catching them. Keepers back in the day used to catch everything, even top corner and we used to laugh at foreign keepers for parrying everything. Now you see these drills in training where all they do is fire balls at them as quick as they can, then the keeper has to jump up as fast as he can then another is belted at him to throw himself all around the place is a mad scrambled panic and so on. How about teaching them to calmly catch the bloody thing instead of inviting more pressure on? I agree re the training (it’s what makes it so much fun though) but do you not think the game has evolved? I watch old matches and the goalies looks shit to me, even the ones that were considered the very best. Some of the stuff they do just looks so amateurish. But I wasn’t there, I have no nostalgia for it so imo it doesn’t cloud my judgment. Do I think modern keepers parry far too much? Absolutely. But I think football has evolved so much from the 70s. It looks so much quicker and the ball does way more. |
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Post by thornestein on Aug 18, 2024 9:24:15 GMT
he definitely had a bad day , but so did most the players , no need get carried away this early on
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Post by sportsman on Aug 18, 2024 9:33:37 GMT
For me having just watched the highlights I put it down to modern day coaches and training. I’ve just watched some prem highlights from yesterday and all the keepers are doing the same as ours yesterday, parrying everything out instead of catching them. Keepers back in the day used to catch everything, even top corner and we used to laugh at foreign keepers for parrying everything. Now you see these drills in training where all they do is fire balls at them as quick as they can, then the keeper has to jump up as fast as he can then another is belted at him to throw himself all around the place is a mad scrambled panic and so on. How about teaching them to calmly catch the bloody thing instead of inviting more pressure on? I agree re the training (it’s what makes it so much fun though) but do you not think the game has evolved? I watch old matches and the goalies looks shit to me, even the ones that were considered the very best. Some of the stuff they do just looks so amateurish. But I wasn’t there, I have no nostalgia for it so imo it doesn’t cloud my judgment. Do I think modern keepers parry far too much? Absolutely. But I think football has evolved so much from the 70s. It looks so much quicker and the ball does way more. I suppose they’d argue that the ball moves more that back in the day of Shilton, Clemence and grobbelaar catching everything top corner, but other than that it’s the only difference. It’s just these modern coaches for me trying justify their pay by coming up with these training drills of keepers flying around their goal like mad men and parrying everything that comes at them |
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