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Post by stokesaint1 on Sept 20, 2024 22:53:23 GMT
Awful to say so early but I think Vidigal would be a better option as it stands. What is it with us and strikers? They all appear to be duds, within a few weeks of joining. I genuinely think, as per the previous poster, even Haaland would go bad playing here. Someone has to get to the bottom of the problem, that's after he's sorted out a terrible defence, an invisible midfield and then the toothless attack. What a bloody shambles this club is. Good luck Mr Pelach
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Post by jzime on Sept 21, 2024 0:36:30 GMT
I didn't understand the clamour for him to begin with to be honest. He's scored 10 league goals in his entire career at the age of 21. If he was ever going to be a top forward, he'd have been given a lot more game time by now.
Not wanted at Everton despite the fact they're bobbins and have no forwards other than Calvert-Lewin, could barely get a kick at Leicester last season and is pretty clearly never going to play for them in the top flight.
Why did we expect him to rock up here and really turn it on for us? He had a decent half season at Preston the other year, but he hardly tore the league up.
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Post by mcw on Sept 21, 2024 0:38:46 GMT
Awful to say so early but I think Vidigal would be a better option as it stands. What is it with us and strikers? They all appear to be duds, within a few weeks of joining. I genuinely think, as per the previous poster, even Haaland would go bad playing here. Someone has to get to the bottom of the problem, that's after he's sorted out a terrible defence, an invisible midfield and then the toothless attack. What a bloody shambles this club is. Good luck Mr Pelach He’ll need to be a bloody magician to sort out the mess we have created |
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Post by LphPotter on Sept 21, 2024 0:39:42 GMT
Are people really still going to blame the striker? It doesn’t matter what striker we have they simply have nothing to work with.
We were just smacking long balls up to him all game and created absolutely nothing for him, the two times he was free for a pass Manhoef went for goal instead of giving it to him.
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Post by senojbor on Sept 21, 2024 0:42:49 GMT
He's a bit shit isn't he?
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Post by LphPotter on Sept 21, 2024 0:42:59 GMT
It's difficult to not come across as just moaning.... But he's shit.. He doesn't lead the line.. he's useless In the air. He doesn't run in behind, he's not overly quick. One thing I would say, is there is that lack of strickers anyone who scores a goal is considered a prospect. He's shite. Are you going to say this about every striker that fails here instead of looking at the bigger picture and what the actual problem is. What did he have to work with today? He made plenty of runs and the two times he was free and would have had a great chance Manhoef didn’t pass to him. |
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Sept 21, 2024 7:05:01 GMT
Biggins 91/92 24 Stein 92/93 30 Sheron 96/97 23 Thorne 99/00 30 All comps. 24 years since someone bagged 20+ note to self - use wiki instead of transfer.. missing those first 2 seasons ffs. If I'd tried thinking I'd have added Stein, remembered Biggins being a scorer but not 24 Anyway, sadly we now don't score so no imminent danger of reaching 5. Believe it or not, that's actually available on the official site. It was last updated in 2018 though. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 21, 2024 7:28:24 GMT
He's a bit shit isn't he? How can you tell when he's had so little created for him. |
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Post by stokienorthants on Sept 21, 2024 7:40:31 GMT
He's a bit shit isn't he? If he was any good he would still be with Leicester who are still winless in the PL. |
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Post by stokiespark on Sept 21, 2024 7:40:37 GMT
He's a bit shit isn't he? How can you tell when he's had so little created for him. . Because he offered absolutely nothing else, when he really should. He isnt there just to have people put chances on a plate for him. He should be making runs, he should be making a nuisance of himself, he should be holding the ball up and bringing others into play, He does none of that. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 21, 2024 7:45:47 GMT
Is he Sam Vokes son?
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Post by gingerninja on Sept 21, 2024 7:47:14 GMT
His body language is truly awful, looks as if he would rather be anywhere else than with us😢
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 21, 2024 7:47:26 GMT
How can you tell when he's had so little created for him. . Because he offered absolutely nothing else, when he really should. He isnt there just to have people put chances on a plate for him. He should be making runs, he should be making a nuisance of himself, he should be holding the ball up and bringing others into play, He does none of that. Pej thought he was making runs and that his teammates didn’t look to find them anywhere near enough. Hopefully with a few games under his belt and a bit of endurance returning to his body he’ll improve. It’s not been the best of starts for him though. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 21, 2024 7:49:55 GMT
. Because he offered absolutely nothing else, when he really should. He isnt there just to have people put chances on a plate for him. He should be making runs, he should be making a nuisance of himself, he should be holding the ball up and bringing others into play, He does none of that. Pej thought he was making runs and that his teammates didn’t look to find them anywhere near enough. Hopefully with a few games under his belt and a bit of endurance returning to his body he’ll improve. It’s not been the best of starts for him though. That just wasn’t happening last night. Koumas was doing that on Tuesday and it was very annoying. Cannon barely fucking moved. |
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Post by nonameface on Sept 21, 2024 7:50:04 GMT
It's difficult to not come across as just moaning.... But he's shit.. He doesn't lead the line.. he's useless In the air. He doesn't run in behind, he's not overly quick. One thing I would say, is there is that lack of strickers anyone who scores a goal is considered a prospect. He's shite. Are you going to say this about every striker that fails here instead of looking at the bigger picture and what the actual problem is. What did he have to work with today? He made plenty of runs and the two times he was free and would have had a great chance Manhoef didn’t pass to him. This. You can quickly make it so strikers stop running if you don’t play the easy obvious passes. Manhoef is at times our worst player because he’s trying to do it all on his own and by doing that making us weaker, despite him being our best player. Would be very tempted to drop Manhoef if he keeps that up. |
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Post by shrewspotter on Sept 21, 2024 7:51:24 GMT
I think it's still too early to write him off but like most our hunches are saying he's a dud. I'd play Koumas there myself as I believe the WBA game with a front 3 of him, Junho and Manhoef is our strongest set and have Moran at 10
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Post by roylandstoke on Sept 21, 2024 7:54:43 GMT
Like Liam Delap before him, he clearly isn’t the Messiah many were predicting.
I thought he tried really hard last night to get involved, but was sadly let down by those around him.
In Jun Ho, Koumas and Manhoef we do have players capable of linking well with a quick striker like Cannon who wants to run behind.
There is an awful lot of room for good coaching and improvement.
There’s been little evidence of any coaching here since relegation.
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Post by brinsleymaclagan on Sept 21, 2024 7:55:14 GMT
Are you going to say this about every striker that fails here instead of looking at the bigger picture and what the actual problem is. What did he have to work with today? He made plenty of runs and the two times he was free and would have had a great chance Manhoef didn’t pass to him. This. You can quickly make it so strikers stop running if you don’t play the easy obvious passes. Manhoef is at times our worst player because he’s trying to do it all on his own and by doing that making us weaker, despite him being our best player. Would be very tempted to drop Manhoef if he keeps that up. Yeah, drop our best player!  |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 21, 2024 7:55:48 GMT
I think it's still too early to write him off but like most our hunches are saying he's a dud. I'd play Koumas there myself as I believe the WBA game with a front 3 of him, Junho and Manhoef is our strongest set and have Moran at 10 Yeah I’m hoping he goes with this for now: Burger Sidibe Moran Manhoef Koumas Junho But Junho ideally needs dropping. Away from home you could put Bocat there and have Stevens at left back? I don’t think that’d be horrific. |
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Post by shrewspotter on Sept 21, 2024 8:06:27 GMT
I think it's still too early to write him off but like most our hunches are saying he's a dud. I'd play Koumas there myself as I believe the WBA game with a front 3 of him, Junho and Manhoef is our strongest set and have Moran at 10 Yeah I’m hoping he goes with this for now: Burger Sidibe Moran Manhoef Koumas Junho But Junho ideally needs dropping. Away from home you could put Bocat there and have Stevens at left back? I don’t think that’d be horrific. yep not a bad shout, thought Junho had moments yesterday but still not up to last years levels Stevens first and foremost is an excellent defender, not good at much else but I think it's what we need right now |
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Post by a on Sept 21, 2024 8:10:35 GMT
I didn't understand the clamour for him to begin with to be honest. He's scored 10 league goals in his entire career at the age of 21. If he was ever going to be a top forward, he'd have been given a lot more game time by now. Not wanted at Everton despite the fact they're bobbins and have no forwards other than Calvert-Lewin, could barely get a kick at Leicester last season and is pretty clearly never going to play for them in the top flight. Why did we expect him to rock up here and really turn it on for us? He had a decent half season at Preston the other year, but he hardly tore the league up. I said this a while back. I didn’t understand how people were utterly convinced he was the answer off the back of a few dozen games. Sadly it looks like that concern was more than justified. There’s time yet and until we have better he’ll get time and hopefully settles in. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 21, 2024 8:18:31 GMT
I didn't understand the clamour for him to begin with to be honest. He's scored 10 league goals in his entire career at the age of 21. If he was ever going to be a top forward, he'd have been given a lot more game time by now. Not wanted at Everton despite the fact they're bobbins and have no forwards other than Calvert-Lewin, could barely get a kick at Leicester last season and is pretty clearly never going to play for them in the top flight. Why did we expect him to rock up here and really turn it on for us? He had a decent half season at Preston the other year, but he hardly tore the league up. I said this a while back. I didn’t understand how people were utterly convinced he was the answer off the back of a few dozen games. Sadly it looks like that concern was more than justified. There’s time yet and until we have better he’ll get time and hopefully settles in. But clubs were bidding 7m for him so that meant he must be good….. Absolutely fucking ridiculous argument. As I said at the time. He’s scored 10 league goals only and done nothing for 18 months. What in the fuck has he done to be worth anything over 2-3m? I genuinely hope he’s rusty because we need him to be good. And we are so fucked if he’s not good. But so far my impressions are: He doesn’t want to be here He’s bone idle He’s not quick He’s not good in the air Every other touch is bad He can’t finish Has no composure What the fuck is he meant to be? |
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Post by a on Sept 21, 2024 8:37:45 GMT
I said this a while back. I didn’t understand how people were utterly convinced he was the answer off the back of a few dozen games. Sadly it looks like that concern was more than justified. There’s time yet and until we have better he’ll get time and hopefully settles in. But clubs were bidding 7m for him so that meant he must be good….. Absolutely fucking ridiculous argument. As I said at the time. He’s scored 10 league goals only and done nothing for 18 months. What in the fuck has he done to be worth anything over 2-3m? I genuinely hope he’s rusty because we need him to be good. And we are so fucked if he’s not good. But so far my impressions are: He doesn’t want to be here He’s bone idle He’s not quick He’s not good in the air Every other touch is bad He can’t finish Has no composure What the fuck is he meant to be? Yea I never understood that either but I suppose it’s the fact he’s young? I’m not writing him off yet, he’s another victim of a shit system, shit attitudes and shit coaching which I’m hoping will now change. It is looking like Delap Mk2 at present but again it’s early days. Finger crossed otherwise it’ll be another turgid season. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 21, 2024 8:42:39 GMT
But clubs were bidding 7m for him so that meant he must be good….. Absolutely fucking ridiculous argument. As I said at the time. He’s scored 10 league goals only and done nothing for 18 months. What in the fuck has he done to be worth anything over 2-3m? I genuinely hope he’s rusty because we need him to be good. And we are so fucked if he’s not good. But so far my impressions are: He doesn’t want to be here He’s bone idle He’s not quick He’s not good in the air Every other touch is bad He can’t finish Has no composure What the fuck is he meant to be? Yea I never understood that either but I suppose it’s the fact he’s young? I’m not writing him off yet, he’s another victim of a shit system, shit attitudes and shit coaching which I’m hoping will now change. It is looking like Delap Mk2 at present but again it’s early days. Finger crossed otherwise it’ll be another turgid season. He is but it was still totally illogical. Emotion led bollocks that I can’t abide tbh. Yeah we really need him to work because the other options bar Koumas who I’d play there don’t look up to scratch either. |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 21, 2024 8:56:12 GMT
I said this a while back. I didn’t understand how people were utterly convinced he was the answer off the back of a few dozen games. Sadly it looks like that concern was more than justified. There’s time yet and until we have better he’ll get time and hopefully settles in. But clubs were bidding 7m for him so that meant he must be good….. Absolutely fucking ridiculous argument. As I said at the time. He’s scored 10 league goals only and done nothing for 18 months. What in the fuck has he done to be worth anything over 2-3m? I genuinely hope he’s rusty because we need him to be good. And we are so fucked if he’s not good. But so far my impressions are: He doesn’t want to be here He’s bone idle He’s not quick He’s not good in the air Every other touch is bad He can’t finish Has no composure What the fuck is he meant to be? Right now thats not unfair and many said steer clear because of rthe injury and he looks totally lost my only thought is try him with Gallagher in a 442 or 411 or Gallagher and koumas or million in the role he played last night but of course it still need to cannon to earn of those two players we essentially have 5 for including Ennis biut no decent midfielders |
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Post by wakeypotter on Sept 21, 2024 9:03:32 GMT
I think it's still too early to write him off but like most our hunches are saying he's a dud. I'd play Koumas there myself as I believe the WBA game with a front 3 of him, Junho and Manhoef is our strongest set and have Moran at 10 Yeah I’m hoping he goes with this for now: Burger Sidibe Moran Manhoef Koumas Junho But Junho ideally needs dropping. Away from home you could put Bocat there and have Stevens at left back? I don’t think that’d be horrific. Like this and the idea of bocat out left But Thompson was better than burger lastnight not by much but he was |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 21, 2024 9:04:05 GMT
But clubs were bidding 7m for him so that meant he must be good….. Absolutely fucking ridiculous argument. As I said at the time. He’s scored 10 league goals only and done nothing for 18 months. What in the fuck has he done to be worth anything over 2-3m? I genuinely hope he’s rusty because we need him to be good. And we are so fucked if he’s not good. But so far my impressions are: He doesn’t want to be here He’s bone idle He’s not quick He’s not good in the air Every other touch is bad He can’t finish Has no composure What the fuck is he meant to be? Right now thats not unfair and many said steer clear because of rthe injury and he looks totally lost my only thought is try him with Gallagher in a 442 or 411 or Gallagher and koumas or million in the role he played last night but of course it still need to cannon to earn of those two players we essentially have 5 for including Ennis biut no decent midfielders It’s not unfair at all. He’s looked like a clown. And I could call him all the names under the sun and totally right him off and that would be unfair. Funny you should mention Ennis. Ennis never looked this bad. |
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 21, 2024 9:05:54 GMT
I think it's hard to assess him yet as he hardly has seen anything of the ball. We certainly don't give our main striker an easy ride!  |
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Post by xchpotter on Sept 21, 2024 9:08:11 GMT
Needs fitness and match sharpness. Better idea in another half dozen games, though my expectations are limited as we destroy striker after striker after striker…..it’s just what we do 😞
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Post by march4 on Sept 21, 2024 9:10:15 GMT
I think it's hard to assess him yet as he hardly has seen anything of the ball. We certainly don't give our main striker an easy ride! He shown no sign of making a nuisance of himself. |
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