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Post by 36dd on Sept 30, 2024 10:03:05 GMT
Fully agree I think the Sporting Director model is not working, the club need an Experienced Director of Football who supports a coaching team? If Narcis is relieved of his duties say around November time, based on this current form it is a good possibility. I hope that JC lets Walters go and just hold their hands up and say we are sorry we got it wrong. There was talk of MON as a DOF but can’t see that now he’s back as the Northern Ireland manager Tony Mowbray. Maybe? It’s just crazy how much money the club have wasted on not being able to get the right fit
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Post by figo85 on Sept 30, 2024 10:05:53 GMT
Never had them you have to earn it and other than Gibsons pathetic platitudes he hadn’t earned it from any of them If it was Gibson who had a word about Narcis in Walters ear,he needs fucking off along with them. This guy makes Wilmot look half decent.
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Post by foxysgloves on Sept 30, 2024 10:06:13 GMT
Give it three more games and see where we are then. To be fair to Pelach it’s difficult to come into a club and have an instant impact. Especially when fans are rightly pissed off and the squad seems to lack personalities who can turn things around. Right now it seems like a poor appointment but a couple of good performances can change that. He doesn't have the experience to change a philosophy or opinion. We will be playing keep ball in our own half against Pompey 1000% I guess we’ll see.
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Post by anchorman on Sept 30, 2024 10:07:14 GMT
I feel sorry for him too. Think he's lost some of the players already. I hope I'm wrong but he'll be gone by the end of November. Quite soon after the start yesterday before we were losing, I predicted he'd be gone by the time I come back from Spain in November. After an hour or so I changed my mind and predicted he might be gone before I go in October. I absolutely agree with you completely (never thought I’d ever be saying that!😉) In all my years watching Stoke, the toxicity in the away end at Boro was unbelievable for a manager’s/HC second game in charge..but it wasn’t surprising. I really want Narcis to succeed like I do every Stoke manager but I just can’t see it. Lose on Wednesday & Saturday and I wouldn’t bet against him being gone over the International break.
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Post by anchorman on Sept 30, 2024 10:07:51 GMT
Fully agree I think the Sporting Director model is not working, the club need an Experienced Director of Football who supports a coaching team? If Narcis is relieved of his duties say around November time, based on this current form it is a good possibility. I hope that JC lets Walters go and just hold their hands up and say we are sorry we got it wrong. There was talk of MON as a DOF but can’t see that now he’s back as the Northern Ireland manager Tony Mowbray. Please god no.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Sept 30, 2024 10:15:01 GMT
Good grief, I have high blood pressure, but there's a fair few on here who are in danger of blowing a gasket. Two games into the new reign and yes, it's been poor, but we have no option but to hope a bit more time will see us drag ourselves into a relatively comfortable position from which we can continue to build. Walters has definitely made a massive decision by bringing in Narcis and no matter what we may or may not have thought about SS, the new manager needs support.
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Post by foxysgloves on Sept 30, 2024 10:15:50 GMT
Quite soon after the start yesterday before we were losing, I predicted he'd be gone by the time I come back from Spain in November. After an hour or so I changed my mind and predicted he might be gone before I go in October. I absolutely agree with you completely (never thought I’d ever be saying that!😉) In all my years watching Stoke, the toxicity in the away end at Boro was unbelievable for a manager’s/HC second game in charge..but it wasn’t surprising. I really want Narcis to succeed like I do every Stoke manager but I just can’t see it. Lose on Wednesday & Saturday and I wouldn’t bet against him being gone over the International break. Worrying. Maybe this is a fuck up too far.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Sept 30, 2024 10:22:00 GMT
I absolutely agree with you completely (never thought I’d ever be saying that!😉) In all my years watching Stoke, the toxicity in the away end at Boro was unbelievable for a manager’s/HC second game in charge..but it wasn’t surprising. I really want Narcis to succeed like I do every Stoke manager but I just can’t see it. Lose on Wednesday & Saturday and I wouldn’t bet against him being gone over the International break. Worrying. Maybe this is a fuck up too far. Dunna say that 😩😩😩👍
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Post by owdestokie2 on Sept 30, 2024 10:31:15 GMT
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Sept 30, 2024 10:40:06 GMT
TP then……..only trying to bring a bit of fun into the debate 👍 View AttachmentYou old sage! ....throw a hand grenade in why dont you!
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Sept 30, 2024 10:42:19 GMT
The form of certain midfield players which has dropped off a lot Anything to do with the form since the JW appointment (Not Super anymore by a long shot!) or pure coincidence?
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Post by mamathestriker on Sept 30, 2024 10:46:35 GMT
TP then……..only trying to bring a bit of fun into the debate 👍 View AttachmentYou old sage! ....throw a hand grenade in why dont you! I'd love TP explain the cage to Junho and Manhoef 😂
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Post by senojbor on Sept 30, 2024 10:48:23 GMT
Bookies odds have change dramatically. I had Stoke for promotion at 9/1 now they are 28/1 with Sky bet
More worryingly the relegation odds have shortened too 6/1 again with Sky bet
Bookies don't think with there hearts.
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Post by baconburger on Sept 30, 2024 11:00:03 GMT
Don't see what's not to like apart from some comments about our style of play under Pulis which were completely valid. Teams play good football and he gets his forwards scoring virtually everywhere he goes. Properly experienced in running a club from top to bottom, install as DoF/SD/TD to work with a younger HC of his choosing.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Sept 30, 2024 11:02:43 GMT
Don't see what's not to like apart from some comments about our style of play under Pulis which were completely valid. Teams play good football and he gets his forwards scoring virtually everywhere he goes. Properly experienced in running a club from top to bottom, install as DoF/SD/TD to work with a younger HC of his choosing. I dont mind Mowbray And with his recent health issues, a DOF position may sit better with him than a manager/coaching role
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Post by onepara on Sept 30, 2024 11:17:05 GMT
Don't see what's not to like apart from some comments about our style of play under Pulis which were completely valid. Teams play good football and he gets his forwards scoring virtually everywhere he goes. Properly experienced in running a club from top to bottom, install as DoF/SD/TD to work with a younger HC of his choosing. I go along with this post. An old head with bags of experience as Manager to sort things out, with a younger Coach to carry it on.
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Post by idle on Sept 30, 2024 12:06:10 GMT
Don't see what's not to like apart from some comments about our style of play under Pulis which were completely valid. Teams play good football and he gets his forwards scoring virtually everywhere he goes. Properly experienced in running a club from top to bottom, install as DoF/SD/TD to work with a younger HC of his choosing. I go along with this post. An old head with bags of experience as Manager to sort things out, with a younger Coach to carry it on. TM's a great coacher of especially younger attacking players though, don't think he's suited for a higher up role.
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Post by baconburger on Sept 30, 2024 12:28:36 GMT
I go along with this post. An old head with bags of experience as Manager to sort things out, with a younger Coach to carry it on. TM's a great coacher of especially younger attacking players though, don't think he's suited for a higher up role. Not sure why he wouldn't be he's spent donkeys years as a god manager with no DoF to handle that side of things. He's exactly the type I'd prefer for the role very much in the David Pleat mould of DoF loads of experience and not threat to a head coach as he really doesn't want to do their job.
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Post by idle on Sept 30, 2024 13:03:06 GMT
TM's a great coacher of especially younger attacking players though, don't think he's suited for a higher up role. Not sure why he wouldn't be he's spent donkeys years as a god manager with no DoF to handle that side of things. He's exactly the type I'd prefer for the role very much in the David Pleat mould of DoF loads of experience and not threat to a head coach as he really doesn't want to do their job. Maybe, but he himself has said he prefers being in the training ground coaching players. Maybe someone with more knowledge of his career can say something more, but he doesn't strike me as the god manager type. He wasn't at Sunderland nor at Blackburn I think.
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Post by bagnallboothen on Sept 30, 2024 13:53:16 GMT
Jon Walters has said a lot of things since he was appointed and most of them have been utter bullshit. You really dont like him, do you? No I don't. But I had no issue with him when he was appointed part time or full time. I thought it was a bit odd and he was unlikely to be the best available option but everyone deserves a go. Since that point he's been an absolute disaster. Not only has he been a disaster he's been a disaster that is constantly in the press telling us how great he is and is going to be. The transfer window looked naive, I haven't got any words for what's happened since it closed.
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Post by senojbor on Sept 30, 2024 14:08:44 GMT
Any particular reason why? Well respected and did very well at most of the clubs he's managed. Even though ill health won't allow, I doubt he'd want to manage us anyway
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Sept 30, 2024 14:30:33 GMT
He’s an embarrassment to the club
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Post by ceejays on Sept 30, 2024 14:40:48 GMT
There was a post awhile back saying that JW worked all the hours god sends. First to arrive last to go . That’s totally unnecessary as it is the quality of decision making that is key and you need thinking time to do that . Working all hours is counter productive. The post went on to say that SS would arrive at 9 on time but leave at 2pm . If that is true then it would probably grate with JW . But SS had to relocate a young family. More on his plate than perhaps he was given ? The art of management is delegation and checking up ( not in an obnoxious way ) . The post said other things too but the picture is clear . JW interferes.
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Post by baconburger on Sept 30, 2024 14:41:21 GMT
Any particular reason why? Well respected and did very well at most of the clubs he's managed. Even though ill health won't allow, I doubt he'd want to manage us anyway He's already said he'll be looking at getting back to work very soon. He's been involved with more clubs and better clubs than JW for a hell of a lot longer. Basically if Walters can do it just about anyone can never mind Tony Mowbray.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 30, 2024 14:48:16 GMT
There was a post awhile back saying that JW worked all the hours god sends. First to arrive last to go . That’s totally unnecessary as it is the quality of decision making that is key and you need thinking time to do that . Working all hours is counter productive. The post went on to say that SS would arrive at 9 on time but leave at 2pm . If that is true then it would probably grate with JW . But SS had to relocate a young family. More on his plate than perhaps he was given ? The art of management is delegation and checking up ( not in an obnoxious way ) . The post said other things too but the picture is clear . JW interferes. Which reminds me of that age old adage about busy fools 😆
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Post by biddulphchav on Sept 30, 2024 14:49:46 GMT
I sincerely hope that stubbornness doesn't come into decision making. You know as well as anyone it already is , anyone when was there yesterday saw a total utter mis reading of the situation , abject confusion , no structure lost players and a complete nonsense of a post match appraisal . whatever the issue they think they saw with the previous regime and you again will know better what they think they saw , they should be able to see already they have got it totally wrong . If you think you can make a judgement based on one full game, considering the Hull game was 48 hours after he walked through the door, then by the same token, if we’d won with a top performance you’d be remortgaging the house on putting it on us going up this season. Reality check, you are leading with your emotions. Of course they are part of football but objectively, we’ve got to give this bloke time to change things. We were going nowhere with SS, and we’ve gone nowhere with a succession of similar appointments. Many on here were happy when AN was appointed as he’d taken clubs up and promised a front footed attacking style of play. Same with Nathan Jones, cracking record with Luton. Go back all the way to Rowett - you can see the pattern emerging. We finally have a man at the top who has the balls to take a gamble , it may work or it may go tits up. It’s certainly better than watching boring shite every week and finishing somewhere between 14-18th every year. Something at this club needs to change and we should be optimistic that we’ve finally got a man at the top that has the balls to make things happen. I’d rather this than to be served up the same old shit I’ve seen for years.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 30, 2024 14:55:13 GMT
You know as well as anyone it already is , anyone when was there yesterday saw a total utter mis reading of the situation , abject confusion , no structure lost players and a complete nonsense of a post match appraisal . whatever the issue they think they saw with the previous regime and you again will know better what they think they saw , they should be able to see already they have got it totally wrong . If you think you can make a judgement based on one full game, considering the Hull game was 48 hours after he walked through the door, then by the same token, if we’d won with a top performance you’d be remortgaging the house on putting it on us going up this season. Reality check, you are leading with your emotions. Of course they are part of football but objectively, we’ve got to give this bloke time to change things. We were going nowhere with SS, and we’ve gone nowhere with a succession of similar appointments. Many on here were happy when AN was appointed as he’d taken clubs up and promised a front footed attacking style of play. Same with Nathan Jones, cracking record with Luton. Go back all the way to Rowett - you can see the pattern emerging. We finally have a man at the top who has the balls to take a gamble , it may work or it may go tits up. It’s certainly better than watching boring shite every week and finishing somewhere between 14-18th every year. Something at this club needs to change and we should be optimistic that we’ve finally got a man at the top that has the balls to make things happen. I’d rather this than to be served up the same old shit I’ve seen for years. Honestly he wont last two home games if they perform and play as they did at boro
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Post by thepottypotter on Sept 30, 2024 15:05:06 GMT
TP then……..only trying to bring a bit of fun into the debate 👍 View AttachmentYou old sage! ....throw a hand grenade in why dont you! The ultimate #Barclaysmanager
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Post by anchorman on Oct 1, 2024 11:35:54 GMT
Don't see what's not to like apart from some comments about our style of play under Pulis which were completely valid. Teams play good football and he gets his forwards scoring virtually everywhere he goes. Properly experienced in running a club from top to bottom, install as DoF/SD/TD to work with a younger HC of his choosing. Completely valid my arse. Sour grapes from Mowbray. What was his record v TP?
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Post by anchorman on Oct 1, 2024 11:39:50 GMT
There was a post awhile back saying that JW worked all the hours god sends. First to arrive last to go . That’s totally unnecessary as it is the quality of decision making that is key and you need thinking time to do that . Working all hours is counter productive. The post went on to say that SS would arrive at 9 on time but leave at 2pm . If that is true then it would probably grate with JW . But SS had to relocate a young family. More on his plate than perhaps he was given ? The art of management is delegation and checking up ( not in an obnoxious way ) . The post said other things too but the picture is clear . JW interferes. Hard work is fine but if you’re having to work ridiculous hours then you’re not doing your job right. The best advice I ever received was work smart not hard…..the caveat to those comments is once you’ve put the hard graft & the hard yards in
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