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Post by emretezzy on Oct 1, 2024 11:49:32 GMT
There was a post awhile back saying that JW worked all the hours god sends. First to arrive last to go . That’s totally unnecessary as it is the quality of decision making that is key and you need thinking time to do that . Working all hours is counter productive. The post went on to say that SS would arrive at 9 on time but leave at 2pm . If that is true then it would probably grate with JW . But SS had to relocate a young family. More on his plate than perhaps he was given ? The art of management is delegation and checking up ( not in an obnoxious way ) . The post said other things too but the picture is clear . JW interferes. Worst thing in life is a busy fool. I'd suggest it's complete overkill. In business, people who equate time to success, in many instances aren't as successful as people who streamline tasks, delegate correctly and find the easiest way to perform tasks. I don't want to get into what his role should be. But he should have good lines of communication with agents/clubs/owners. Make us, appear to be at least, a good club from outside looking in. Have a nice wine selection when other DOFs come to town and generally tell the manager we can't afford a player when he comes with requests... then meet somewhere in the middle. Instead he's doing 14 hours a day, putting pressure on others probably to feel like they should be doing the same and I'd imagine just getting in the fucking way.
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Post by apb1 on Oct 1, 2024 11:51:05 GMT
There was a post awhile back saying that JW worked all the hours god sends. First to arrive last to go . That’s totally unnecessary as it is the quality of decision making that is key and you need thinking time to do that . Working all hours is counter productive. The post went on to say that SS would arrive at 9 on time but leave at 2pm . If that is true then it would probably grate with JW . But SS had to relocate a young family. More on his plate than perhaps he was given ? The art of management is delegation and checking up ( not in an obnoxious way ) . The post said other things too but the picture is clear . JW interferes. Worst thing in life is a busy fool. I'd suggest it's complete overkill. In business, people who equate time to success, in many instances aren't as successful as people who streamline tasks, delegate correctly and find the easiest way to perform tasks. I don't want to get into what his role should be. But he should have good lines of communication with agents/clubs/owners. Make us, appear to be at least, a good club from outside looking in. Have a nice wine selection when other DOFs come to town and generally tell the manager we can't afford a player when he comes with requests... then meet somewhere in the middle. Instead he's doing 14 hours a day, putting pressure on others probably to feel like they should be doing the same and I'd imagine just getting in the fucking way. I wish he'd gone home early the day he had a wobbler with Shuey and decided he had to go.
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Post by ceejays on Oct 1, 2024 12:08:10 GMT
You know as well as anyone it already is , anyone when was there yesterday saw a total utter mis reading of the situation , abject confusion , no structure lost players and a complete nonsense of a post match appraisal . whatever the issue they think they saw with the previous regime and you again will know better what they think they saw , they should be able to see already they have got it totally wrong . If you think you can make a judgement based on one full game, considering the Hull game was 48 hours after he walked through the door, then by the same token, if we’d won with a top performance you’d be remortgaging the house on putting it on us going up this season. Reality check, you are leading with your emotions. Of course they are part of football but objectively, we’ve got to give this bloke time to change things. We were going nowhere with SS, and we’ve gone nowhere with a succession of similar appointments. Many on here were happy when AN was appointed as he’d taken clubs up and promised a front footed attacking style of play. Same with Nathan Jones, cracking record with Luton. Go back all the way to Rowett - you can see the pattern emerging. We finally have a man at the top who has the balls to take a gamble , it may work or it may go tits up. It’s certainly better than watching boring shite every week and finishing somewhere between 14-18th every year. Something at this club needs to change and we should be optimistic that we’ve finally got a man at the top that has the balls to make things happen. I’d rather this than to be served up the same old shit I’ve seen for years. While I think most would agree with your overall sentiments the issue is to me at any rate one of timing . Clearly this had been planned for some time. He had his ducks in a row. All he was wanting for was SS to hang him self with a bad performance that had the fan base up in arms. Oxford gave him that opportunity. The speed with which we installed Narcis was testament. The proper time was at the end of the season. This would have brought about the same fan reaction but makes more sense. Moreover the players have the summer to absorb rather than on the run . It’s a madness decision the way it’s been implemented. Timing is everything . Surely Narcis was available at seasons end
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Post by baconburger on Oct 1, 2024 16:13:04 GMT
Don't see what's not to like apart from some comments about our style of play under Pulis which were completely valid. Teams play good football and he gets his forwards scoring virtually everywhere he goes. Properly experienced in running a club from top to bottom, install as DoF/SD/TD to work with a younger HC of his choosing. Completely valid my arse. Sour grapes from Mowbray. What was his record v TP? What has that got to do with anything his overall record is easily comparable with that of Pulis. a league title, promotions, playoffs and all without destroying the game as a spectacle. Hell they both even got WBA relegated.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Oct 1, 2024 16:44:45 GMT
I get peoples concern with JW and its looking likely hes dropped a huge bollock here
But to slate him for working too many hours???
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Post by silsdenstokie on Oct 1, 2024 16:47:35 GMT
Completely valid my arse. Sour grapes from Mowbray. What was his record v TP? What has that got to do with anything his overall record is easily comparable with that of Pulis. a league title, promotions, playoffs and all without destroying the game as a spectacle. Hell they both even got WBA relegated. Yep, just cause Pulis got the better of him a few times doesnt mean hes not DOF material/a football man Hes well respected at pretty much every club hes managed
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Post by Clayton Wood on Oct 2, 2024 20:50:52 GMT
Mmmmmmmmm.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Oct 2, 2024 20:54:29 GMT
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Oct 2, 2024 20:56:06 GMT
It's how easy it is to be wise after the event.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Oct 2, 2024 20:57:25 GMT
1 game, but is he the dope many have posted or did he get it right? Too early to say yet so mmmmmmm maybe maybe not for me.
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Post by danceswithclams on Oct 2, 2024 21:13:19 GMT
He's definitely black.
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Post by jm on Oct 3, 2024 7:22:38 GMT
Yeah he has to be given some time but the way he’s been promoted by Walters and the way Schumacher was sacked impacts on how much patience the fans will have. If results don’t improve quickly I expect his tenure will be very short indeed. Honestly feel a bit sorry for the guy. I feel sorry for him too. Think he's lost some of the players already. I hope I'm wrong but he'll be gone by the end of November. Didn't look like he's lost any of the players to me. Idle shit stirring from someone who should know better
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Post by mamasgloves on Oct 3, 2024 14:16:21 GMT
Schumachers latest interview said that it was JC who broke the news and Walters said he would sit down with him a couple of weeks after to go through in more detail which never happened. What a shit way to treat him but unfortunatley sounds par for the course with JW and how he deals with people.
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Post by AlliG on Oct 3, 2024 14:25:45 GMT
Schumachers latest interview said that it was JC who broke the news and Walters said he would sit down with him a couple of weeks after to go through in more detail which never happened. What a shit way to treat him but unfortunatley sounds par for the course with JW and how he deals with people. I know it seems like ages ago but it is still only just over two weeks since the sacking.
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Post by mamasgloves on Oct 3, 2024 14:33:38 GMT
Schumachers latest interview said that it was JC who broke the news and Walters said he would sit down with him a couple of weeks after to go through in more detail which never happened. What a shit way to treat him but unfortunatley sounds par for the course with JW and how he deals with people. I know it seems like ages ago but it is still only just over two weeks since the sacking. Thats as maybe but it is shit form to make the decision to sack someone and not tell them why on the spot
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Post by foxysgloves on Oct 3, 2024 14:56:15 GMT
There was a post awhile back saying that JW worked all the hours god sends. First to arrive last to go . That’s totally unnecessary as it is the quality of decision making that is key and you need thinking time to do that . Working all hours is counter productive. The post went on to say that SS would arrive at 9 on time but leave at 2pm . If that is true then it would probably grate with JW . But SS had to relocate a young family. More on his plate than perhaps he was given ? The art of management is delegation and checking up ( not in an obnoxious way ) . The post said other things too but the picture is clear . JW interferes. Worst thing in life is a busy fool. I'd suggest it's complete overkill. In business, people who equate time to success, in many instances aren't as successful as people who streamline tasks, delegate correctly and find the easiest way to perform tasks. I don't want to get into what his role should be. But he should have good lines of communication with agents/clubs/owners. Make us, appear to be at least, a good club from outside looking in. Have a nice wine selection when other DOFs come to town and generally tell the manager we can't afford a player when he comes with requests... then meet somewhere in the middle. Instead he's doing 14 hours a day, putting pressure on others probably to feel like they should be doing the same and I'd imagine just getting in the fucking way. And if he was in two hours a day you’d probably say the opposite. The reality is you, me and everyone else on here hasn’t a notion what he does or how good he is on a day to day basis. He could be a twat, he could be a saint. I’ve never met the bloke and even if I had I’d need to spend weeks in his company to really comment on his character. And even then we’ll only really know if he’s good at his job if he stays in the post for at least a couple years of years. The nature of boards like this and the internet in general is it just gives platforms to people who know very little to act like they know a lot more. And I include myself in that. Last night proves nothing. As did the previous games this season. Let’s see where we are in 2 or 3 months before we declare Walters or Pelach either a success or failure.
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Post by pez75 on Oct 3, 2024 14:59:56 GMT
Schumachers latest interview said that it was JC who broke the news and Walters said he would sit down with him a couple of weeks after to go through in more detail which never happened. What a shit way to treat him but unfortunatley sounds par for the course with JW and how he deals with people. SS quote "Jon used to come in every week and we'd sit and go through the game plans for the weekend. I would explain to him why we’re going through certain processes and certain decisions, So I had no problem with Jon whatsoever."
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Post by foxysgloves on Oct 3, 2024 15:03:27 GMT
Schumachers latest interview said that it was JC who broke the news and Walters said he would sit down with him a couple of weeks after to go through in more detail which never happened. What a shit way to treat him but unfortunatley sounds par for the course with JW and how he deals with people. SS quote "Jon used to come in every week and we'd sit and go through the game plans for the weekend. I would explain to him why we’re going through certain processes and certain decisions, So I had no problem with Jon whatsoever." Not what some people want to read so they disregard it. It’s how agendas work…..
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Post by LGH87 on Oct 3, 2024 15:06:29 GMT
Schumachers latest interview said that it was JC who broke the news and Walters said he would sit down with him a couple of weeks after to go through in more detail which never happened. What a shit way to treat him but unfortunatley sounds par for the course with JW and how he deals with people. SS quote "Jon used to come in every week and we'd sit and go through the game plans for the weekend. I would explain to him why we’re going through certain processes and certain decisions, So I had no problem with Jon whatsoever." What's your point? Schuey is saying there was no issue on his side, using it as a reason why he was shocked he got sacked. It's becoming clear there was an issue on Walters' side though.
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Post by nottsover60 on Oct 3, 2024 16:33:47 GMT
I'm prepared to give him more credit for recruitment after seeing the difference Gallagher made to the side last night. If Lawal makes as big an impact then perhaps if he and Gallagher had been fit at the start of this season, SS would still be a job and we would be lauding JW for the transfer window.
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Post by spitthedog on Oct 3, 2024 16:49:07 GMT
Schumachers latest interview said that it was JC who broke the news and Walters said he would sit down with him a couple of weeks after to go through in more detail which never happened. What a shit way to treat him but unfortunatley sounds par for the course with JW and how he deals with people. I don't see the need to jump to conclusions and character judgements considering.... a) this is one person's side of the story b) its taken out of context given what else is said in the interview c) its only 2 weeks so this may yet happen? d) all the unknowns going on behind the scenes that influence decision making and behaviour from all parties involved to which we have no access
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Post by silsdenstokie on Oct 3, 2024 16:49:50 GMT
Schumachers latest interview said that it was JC who broke the news and Walters said he would sit down with him a couple of weeks after to go through in more detail which never happened. What a shit way to treat him but unfortunatley sounds par for the course with JW and how he deals with people. SS quote "Jon used to come in every week and we'd sit and go through the game plans for the weekend. I would explain to him why we’re going through certain processes and certain decisions, So I had no problem with Jon whatsoever." Interesting comment that If, as some allude to, he hadnt been getting on with him for months, surely he woukd have said that
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Post by ceejays on Oct 3, 2024 17:17:47 GMT
Well SS is hardly going to say he thinks Walters disingenuous else it would prejudice or could prejudice a future job . What ia clear though is that Walters was nice ti his face and plotting to replace him. I thibk that is the thing which annoys most fans . The way it was done . No chat along the lines of youve 5 more matches and if things stat as tgey are (oxford) then bye . Walters was just waiting for the moment and oxford gave hom that . I dont think thxat is reasing ibti events at all . It’s easy to read into things . They didnt wanxt a twi goie meeting to rxolain . Theh wanted Chico and fast . So SS was in the way. As i read it Walters was bot expecting the love in Stoke fans had with SS . He was a nice bloke and would have got there . It was just when ? Now two weeks on SS is having a pop . Walters hasnt contacted him. It looks bad and is further evidence ( i suggest ) of how he treats people . Nice to your face but yiu are never quite sure of him
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Post by foxysgloves on Oct 3, 2024 17:47:32 GMT
Well SS is hardly going to say he thinks Walters disingenuous else it would prejudice or could prejudice a future job . What ia clear though is that Walters was nice ti his face and plotting to replace him. I thibk that is the thing which annoys most fans . The way it was done . No chat along the lines of youve 5 more matches and if things stat as tgey are (oxford) then bye . Walters was just waiting for the moment and oxford gave hom that . I dont think thxat is reasing ibti events at all . It’s easy to read into things . They didnt wanxt a twi goie meeting to rxolain . Theh wanted Chico and fast . So SS was in the way. As i read it Walters was bot expecting the love in Stoke fans had with SS . He was a nice bloke and would have got there . It was just when ? Now two weeks on SS is having a pop . Walters hasnt contacted him. It looks bad and is further evidence ( i suggest ) of how he treats people . Nice to your face but yiu are never quite sure of him Give Benjaminbiscuit his phone back.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Oct 3, 2024 19:39:46 GMT
Well SS is hardly going to say he thinks Walters disingenuous else it would prejudice or could prejudice a future job . What ia clear though is that Walters was nice ti his face and plotting to replace him. I thibk that is the thing which annoys most fans . The way it was done . No chat along the lines of youve 5 more matches and if things stat as tgey are (oxford) then bye . Walters was just waiting for the moment and oxford gave hom that . I dont think thxat is reasing ibti events at all . It’s easy to read into things . They didnt wanxt a twi goie meeting to rxolain . Theh wanted Chico and fast . So SS was in the way. As i read it Walters was bot expecting the love in Stoke fans had with SS . He was a nice bloke and would have got there . It was just when ? Now two weeks on SS is having a pop . Walters hasnt contacted him. It looks bad and is further evidence ( i suggest ) of how he treats people . Nice to your face but yiu are never quite sure of him Give Benjaminbiscuit his phone back. Naughty but Nice 😉
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Post by stokiejoe on Oct 3, 2024 20:52:57 GMT
I get peoples concern with JW and its looking likely hes dropped a huge bollock here But to slate him for working too many hours??? It can be an indicator. It's the quality pf work and what is produced that really matters. Sometimes working very long hours is not only unproductive it can be a cover for insecurity. It's the thought that " if people see me doing long hours they know I'm working hard".Not saying that is the case this time but it so often is.
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Post by foxysgloves on Oct 3, 2024 21:00:02 GMT
SJW doesn’t work hard.
The reason TP loved him so much is that he works ARRRDD.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Oct 3, 2024 21:06:07 GMT
May be the bloke just has an admirable strong work ethic .
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 3, 2024 21:58:03 GMT
On the subject of working long hours: I worked for the French for 7 years and they had a totally different work ethic to the UK. Not saying who is right or wrong, it was just different. I knew a New Zealander on secondment to the UK and he impressed his bosses and they decided to offer him a plum job in the UK. He graciously refused on the grounds that he thought the Brits were mad the hours they put in, working away from home, living out of a suitcase, endless driving on busy motorways, etc. He chose to return to a much more enjoyable lifestyle in New Zealand. Some may find this article interesting: www.econlib.org/what-ails-the-anglosphere/
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Post by foxysgloves on Oct 6, 2024 12:51:52 GMT
Strange how those who have criticised Walters apparent long working hours haven’t been quite as quick to criticise SS’s apparent short working hours.
Before I get the usual Walters sycophant jibes I have no knowledge if either thing is true.
Interesting though and, if the stories about Schumacher are true, it might put Walters swift action in a different light.
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