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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 29, 2024 8:49:16 GMT
Pelach may work out in the long term but what a monumental fuck up it has been from Walters to put so much pressure on him. If he wanted rid of Schumacher it should have been done last season. I didn’t particularly rate Schumacher and I wasn’t bothered about his sacking but if you’re going to do it you’ve got to ensure the next person can hit the ground running. I hate to say it but I’m not far off being done with this club. It’s just been run completely incompetently for far too long. It's inexcusable, on a professional and human level, to have put an inexperienced coach in this position. It's certainly not leadership. He's been put under immense pressure from the first day of his tenure because of how the SD handles this and the timing of the decision. Both things were controllable I agree that it’s extremely naive from walters and suggests a huge lack of judgment often seen when inexperienced managers gt over promoted and the keys to the business . However i just cant see that he will pay the price , Narcis wont see Bonfiire night but i think it will be put down as it just didn’t work out and a steady hand will be bought in . I wonder if that is why the coaching staff is relatively much thinner as the exit costs will this time be a lot lot less .Can see Ryan in the chair in the interim
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Sept 29, 2024 9:05:45 GMT
It's inexcusable, on a professional and human level, to have put an inexperienced coach in this position. It's certainly not leadership. He's been put under immense pressure from the first day of his tenure because of how the SD handles this and the timing of the decision. Both things were controllable I agree that it’s extremely naive from walters and suggests a huge lack of judgment often seen when inexperienced managers gt over promoted and the keys to the business . However i just cant see that he will pay the price , Narcis wont see Bonfiire night but i think it will be put down as it just didn’t work out and a steady hand will be bought in . I wonder if that is why the coaching staff is relatively much thinner as the exit costs will this time be a lot lot less .Can see Ryan in the chair in the interim You may not be a million miles off but I'm struggling to see how Walters maintains his position if Pelach is sacked. Hope we turn things around quickly and we don't have to get to this stage of yet another management overhaul. It's killing the club and JC is ultimately accountable.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 29, 2024 9:34:36 GMT
If Narcis is sacked & Walters stays then Coates,realy does have to hand over the reigns.
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Post by stokie1947 on Sept 29, 2024 11:21:56 GMT
where has sacking managers got us we may has well stick with what we have while this clown is in charge even if that means we end up in div 1
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Post by silsdenstokie on Sept 29, 2024 11:35:06 GMT
Im all for giving him a bit of time but lose to Pompey and Swansea and Ill doubt he’ll see October out
If something is so obviously not working it needs knocking on the head asap
What JC then decides to do re JW is anybodys guess
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Post by iglugluk on Sept 29, 2024 11:46:35 GMT
One thing JW is, is driven and it seems decisive.. whether the his drive leads to making the right decisions is currently very dubious, but I will be surprised if he leaves a failing manager in post for very long.
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Post by bhp on Sept 29, 2024 11:47:12 GMT
During the mid-week propaganda interview his comment on the HC giving the fans ‘football they want to see’ certainly an interesting comment.
For someone who ‘knows the club’ is possession ball and defenders having the most touches what the fans want to see? I’d argue it’s a complete contrast. That doesn’t mean route one hit the big man and keep everything crossed. On the front foot, playing forward, attacking players taking players on, tackles, crosses, intensity, competing for duels etc. Despite his 100’s of appearances in the red and white, does JW really understand this club?
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Post by pavel on Sept 29, 2024 11:52:48 GMT
Im all for giving him a bit of time but lose to Pompey and Swansea and Ill doubt he’ll see October out If something is so obviously not working it needs knocking on the head asap What JC then decides to do re JW is anybodys guess Yeah he has to be given some time but the way he’s been promoted by Walters and the way Schumacher was sacked impacts on how much patience the fans will have. If results don’t improve quickly I expect his tenure will be very short indeed. Honestly feel a bit sorry for the guy.
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Sept 29, 2024 11:58:23 GMT
Im all for giving him a bit of time but lose to Pompey and Swansea and Ill doubt he’ll see October out If something is so obviously not working it needs knocking on the head asap What JC then decides to do re JW is anybodys guess Yeah he has to be given some time but the way he’s been promoted by Walters and the way Schumacher was sacked impacts on how much patience the fans will have. If results don’t improve quickly I expect his tenure will be very short indeed. Honestly feel a bit sorry for the guy. I feel sorry for him too. Think he's lost some of the players already. I hope I'm wrong but he'll be gone by the end of November.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 29, 2024 12:09:08 GMT
I agree that it’s extremely naive from walters and suggests a huge lack of judgment often seen when inexperienced managers gt over promoted and the keys to the business . However i just cant see that he will pay the price , Narcis wont see Bonfiire night but i think it will be put down as it just didn’t work out and a steady hand will be bought in . I wonder if that is why the coaching staff is relatively much thinner as the exit costs will this time be a lot lot less .Can see Ryan in the chair in the interim You may not be a million miles off but I'm struggling to see how Walters maintains his position if Pelach is sacked. Hope we turn things around quickly and we don't have to get to this stage of yet another management overhaul. It's killing the club and JC is ultimately accountable. 100% agree but this one is a basket case so its going to have to be done , we have all made very bad decisions in business but its how quick your prepared to recgionise it and do something about it
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Sept 29, 2024 12:11:51 GMT
You may not be a million miles off but I'm struggling to see how Walters maintains his position if Pelach is sacked. Hope we turn things around quickly and we don't have to get to this stage of yet another management overhaul. It's killing the club and JC is ultimately accountable. 100% agree but this one is a basket case so its going to have to be done , we have all made very bad decisions in business but its how quick your prepared to recgionise it and do something about it I sincerely hope that stubbornness doesn't come into decision making.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 29, 2024 12:17:52 GMT
100% agree but this one is a basket case so its going to have to be done , we have all made very bad decisions in business but its how quick your prepared to recgionise it and do something about it I sincerely hope that stubbornness doesn't come into decision making. You know as well as anyone it already is , anyone when was there yesterday saw a total utter mis reading of the situation , abject confusion , no structure lost players and a complete nonsense of a post match appraisal . whatever the issue they think they saw with the previous regime and you again will know better what they think they saw , they should be able to see already they have got it totally wrong .
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Post by pavel on Sept 29, 2024 12:40:57 GMT
The “management “ (DOF/SD) and coaches has become a bit of a club/clique in itself comprising of a lot of ex Stoke players from the same era. It’s unhealthy in the sense that you can have a singular outlook which if unchecked can result in a mono culture of ideas. Add to that Walters appears to have an ego the size of a planet doesn’t bode well, especially if things start to go pear shaped, which could be very, very soon.
They are all fairly inexperienced and are bound to close ranks with one another due to their shared history as well as closing their ears to criticism when the crunch comes. Walters appears to have a team of, if not yes men, very similar minded people who may not challenge the status quo and a new HC who is in no position to challenge or possibly even be his own man.
I’m very worried about where we are as a club now and the ultimate man responsible for this is John Coates, who seems to have handed over the keys to someone whose sense of authority, self importance and arrogance is fatally undermined by a lack of experience, humility and judgement.
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Post by baconburger on Sept 29, 2024 13:31:10 GMT
Yeah he has to be given some time but the way he’s been promoted by Walters and the way Schumacher was sacked impacts on how much patience the fans will have. If results don’t improve quickly I expect his tenure will be very short indeed. Honestly feel a bit sorry for the guy. I feel sorry for him too. Think he's lost some of the players already. I hope I'm wrong but he'll be gone by the end of November. Quite soon after the start yesterday before we were losing, I predicted he'd be gone by the time I come back from Spain in November. After an hour or so I changed my mind and predicted he might be gone before I go in October.
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Post by stokesupporter on Sept 29, 2024 15:04:19 GMT
After witnessing yesterdays "performance" JW and JC are probably terrified of what they have done. And rightly so.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 29, 2024 18:13:26 GMT
Yeah he has to be given some time but the way he’s been promoted by Walters and the way Schumacher was sacked impacts on how much patience the fans will have. If results don’t improve quickly I expect his tenure will be very short indeed. Honestly feel a bit sorry for the guy. I feel sorry for him too. Think he's lost some of the players already. I hope I'm wrong but he'll be gone by the end of November. Never had them you have to earn it and other than Gibsons pathetic platitudes he hadn’t earned it from any of them
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 29, 2024 21:22:47 GMT
I feel sorry for him too. Think he's lost some of the players already. I hope I'm wrong but he'll be gone by the end of November. Never had them you have to earn it and other than Gibsons pathetic platitudes he hadn’t earned it from any of them If it was Gibson who had a word about Narcis in Walters ear,he needs fucking off along with them.
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Post by emretezzy on Sept 30, 2024 7:19:43 GMT
I agree that it’s extremely naive from walters and suggests a huge lack of judgment often seen when inexperienced managers gt over promoted and the keys to the business . However i just cant see that he will pay the price , Narcis wont see Bonfiire night but i think it will be put down as it just didn’t work out and a steady hand will be bought in . I wonder if that is why the coaching staff is relatively much thinner as the exit costs will this time be a lot lot less .Can see Ryan in the chair in the interim You may not be a million miles off but I'm struggling to see how Walters maintains his position if Pelach is sacked. Hope we turn things around quickly and we don't have to get to this stage of yet another management overhaul. It's killing the club and JC is ultimately accountable. Thats why he won't be going anywhere. Walters is that much of an ego maniac he will see us in League 1, with a promising young squad, before he will admit he's wrong.
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Post by foxysgloves on Sept 30, 2024 8:25:54 GMT
Give it three more games and see where we are then.
To be fair to Pelach it’s difficult to come into a club and have an instant impact. Especially when fans are rightly pissed off and the squad seems to lack personalities who can turn things around.
Right now it seems like a poor appointment but a couple of good performances can change that.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Sept 30, 2024 8:28:45 GMT
Never had them you have to earn it and other than Gibsons pathetic platitudes he hadn’t earned it from any of them If it was Gibson who had a word about Narcis in Walters ear,he needs fucking off along with them. JW has been following him for months apparently. Gibson may have given it the thumbs up but doubt it will have affected the decision
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Post by bagnallboothen on Sept 30, 2024 9:07:30 GMT
If it was Gibson who had a word about Narcis in Walters ear,he needs fucking off along with them. JW has been following him for months apparently. Gibson may have given it the thumbs up but doubt it will have affected the decision Jon Walters has said a lot of things since he was appointed and most of them have been utter bullshit.
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Post by starkiller on Sept 30, 2024 9:13:35 GMT
One thing is for certain is that every signing in the transfer window needs to have had minimum 300 senior games, with evidence of successful Championship experience.
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Post by jm on Sept 30, 2024 9:25:14 GMT
errr lets not let forget that Stoke were heading down to Div 1 last season until SJW gave the players and coaching staff some home truths and forged some togetherness across the club (including getting the fans on board for a relegation fight). We looked in a pretty bad way with 10 games to go with SS really struggling to get the team functioning
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Post by bagnallboothen on Sept 30, 2024 9:27:41 GMT
errr lets not let forget that Stoke were heading down to Div 1 last season until SJW gave the players and coaching staff some home truths and forged some togetherness across the club (including getting the fans on board for a relegation fight). We looked in a pretty bad way with 10 games to go with SS really struggling to get the team functioning Forged a togetherness... then lied to everyone and sacked everyone. You have highlighted the exact reason why he should have been thanked in May and told to clear his desk.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Sept 30, 2024 9:37:47 GMT
JW has been following him for months apparently. Gibson may have given it the thumbs up but doubt it will have affected the decision Jon Walters has said a lot of things since he was appointed and most of them have been utter bullshit. You really dont like him, do you?
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Post by emretezzy on Sept 30, 2024 9:44:36 GMT
Give it three more games and see where we are then. To be fair to Pelach it’s difficult to come into a club and have an instant impact. Especially when fans are rightly pissed off and the squad seems to lack personalities who can turn things around. Right now it seems like a poor appointment but a couple of good performances can change that. He doesn't have the experience to change a philosophy or opinion. We will be playing keep ball in our own half against Pompey 1000%
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Post by baconburger on Sept 30, 2024 9:52:44 GMT
Give it three more games and see where we are then. To be fair to Pelach it’s difficult to come into a club and have an instant impact. Especially when fans are rightly pissed off and the squad seems to lack personalities who can turn things around. Right now it seems like a poor appointment but a couple of good performances can change that. He doesn't have the experience to change a philosophy or opinion. We will be playing keep ball in our own half against Pompey 1000% It’s not just that he doesn’t have that experience. Doing that should not be in his gift. All the staff should be locked into a shared vision/style that they agree to buy into when employed it should not be in any one of them’s remit to move the goalposts on the others. The structure can simply not work like that.
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Post by 36dd on Sept 30, 2024 9:53:10 GMT
I agree that it’s extremely naive from walters and suggests a huge lack of judgment often seen when inexperienced managers gt over promoted and the keys to the business . However i just cant see that he will pay the price , Narcis wont see Bonfiire night but i think it will be put down as it just didn’t work out and a steady hand will be bought in . I wonder if that is why the coaching staff is relatively much thinner as the exit costs will this time be a lot lot less .Can see Ryan in the chair in the interim You may not be a million miles off but I'm struggling to see how Walters maintains his position if Pelach is sacked. Hope we turn things around quickly and we don't have to get to this stage of yet another management overhaul. It's killing the club and JC is ultimately accountable. Fully agree I think the Sporting Director model is not working, the club need an Experienced Director of Football who supports a coaching team? If Narcis is relieved of his duties say around November time, based on this current form it is a good possibility. I hope that JC lets Walters go and just hold their hands up and say we are sorry we got it wrong. There was talk of MON as a DOF but can’t see that now he’s back as the Northern Ireland manager
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Post by stokest5 on Sept 30, 2024 9:59:54 GMT
where has sacking managers got us we may has well stick with what we have while this clown is in charge even if that means we end up in div 1 Once you’ve lost the fans though there’s no turning back and has crazy has it is with only 2 games played he’s not far off. I wonder how many teams have been booed off in the managers first 2 games? Schumacher had only just steadied the ship since taking over and we were looking a maybe finally progressing. The timing and appointment of a new inexperienced head coach with a totally new brand of football is ludicrous! I feel like NP is a deadman walking we could go into lose our next 10 but his interviews would still be the same has the first on what we plan to do and what we need to do better etc.
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Post by baconburger on Sept 30, 2024 10:00:56 GMT
You may not be a million miles off but I'm struggling to see how Walters maintains his position if Pelach is sacked. Hope we turn things around quickly and we don't have to get to this stage of yet another management overhaul. It's killing the club and JC is ultimately accountable. Fully agree I think the Sporting Director model is not working, the club need an Experienced Director of Football who supports a coaching team? If Narcis is relieved of his duties say around November time, based on this current form it is a good possibility. I hope that JC lets Walters go and just hold their hands up and say we are sorry we got it wrong. There was talk of MON as a DOF but can’t see that now he’s back as the Northern Ireland manager Tony Mowbray.
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