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Post by mamathestriker on Sept 28, 2024 21:40:33 GMT
It was such a needless sacking of SS. If there was a clash between Walters and SS, just get on with it for the good of the club. He made a monumental call and could cost us big time. I remember hearing TP and Tony Scholes hated each other, but put personal feelings to one side for the good of the club as they at least had some professional respect for each other. Clear Walters wanted a yes man, a vanity project which could be enough to relegate us. We've wasted yet another summer, another opening segment of games, and yet again recruited poorly. Walters is no longer Super.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Sept 28, 2024 21:42:05 GMT
How much of an impact has the SS sacking had on the players? This is not to say the players had a love in with SS, but imagine coming of the back of several positive results like the 5-0 cup game, the Argyle win away, having spent the whole summer camp with the coaching team to then suddenly find out Walters wanted his own man in? I just don't understand why when we appear to have some stability for a change we switch it up at the most unconventional and worst times. Nobody can deny the timing of the dismissal was abysmal. You'd think that John Coates would have some self awareness to recognise that maybe something felt off in dismissing SS when he did, but unfortunately he comes across as bit of a doormat for these managers/DOF. Too soft, doesn't lead by example and lets people walk all over him. Imagine the conversation with Daniel Levy pitching the sale of Wimmer to him back in 2017, Levy would have been laughing thinking what an easy sell it was almost feeling sorry for the gullible sod. My take is JC just isn’t very intelligent. I work with wealthy people for a living, and if there’s one thing that aggravates them more than anything it’s losing money, and if they make a mistake that winds up losing them money they never make it again, yet JC has made the same mistake for eight years and counting. It must be why he has nothing to do with Bet365, he’s been given the club as his toy to play with so he doesn’t fuck up the family business. The most damning part is he seemingly hasn’t recognised this yet, and what I haven’t figured out is if this is indeed down to him being a total dunderhead or if he doesn’t want to admit he hasn’t got a clue what he’s doing.
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Post by mamathestriker on Sept 28, 2024 21:44:01 GMT
He's another good talker who has wooed Coates.
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Post by smithypotter on Sept 28, 2024 21:49:37 GMT
How much of an impact has the SS sacking had on the players? This is not to say the players had a love in with SS, but imagine coming of the back of several positive results like the 5-0 cup game, the Argyle win away, having spent the whole summer camp with the coaching team to then suddenly find out Walters wanted his own man in? I just don't understand why when we appear to have some stability for a change we switch it up at the most unconventional and worst times. Nobody can deny the timing of the dismissal was abysmal. You'd think that John Coates would have some self awareness to recognise that maybe something felt off in dismissing SS when he did, but unfortunately he comes across as bit of a doormat for these managers/DOF. Too soft, doesn't lead by example and lets people walk all over him. Imagine the conversation with Daniel Levy pitching the sale of Wimmer to him back in 2017, Levy would have been laughing thinking what an easy sell it was almost feeling sorry for the gullible sod. My take is JC just isn’t very intelligent. I work with wealthy people for a living, and if there’s one thing that aggravates them more than anything it’s losing money, and if they make a mistake that winds up losing them money they never make it again, yet JC has made the same mistake for eight years and counting. It must be why he has nothing to do with Bet365, he’s been given the club as his toy to play with so he doesn’t fuck up the family business. The most damning part is he seemingly hasn’t recognised this yet, and what I haven’t figured out is if this is indeed down to him being a total dunderhead or if he doesn’t want to admit he hasn’t got a clue what he’s doing. It's like an episode of Gordon Ramsay's Kitchen Nightmares.
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Post by Mystic Stokie on Sept 28, 2024 22:57:12 GMT
If this goes pear shaped and it looks like it will, how does Walters survive ?
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Post by cheadlepotter on Sept 28, 2024 23:15:50 GMT
How much of an impact has the SS sacking had on the players? This is not to say the players had a love in with SS, but imagine coming of the back of several positive results like the 5-0 cup game, the Argyle win away, having spent the whole summer camp with the coaching team to then suddenly find out Walters wanted his own man in? I just don't understand why when we appear to have some stability for a change we switch it up at the most unconventional and worst times. Nobody can deny the timing of the dismissal was abysmal. You'd think that John Coates would have some self awareness to recognise that maybe something felt off in dismissing SS when he did, but unfortunately he comes across as bit of a doormat for these managers/DOF. Too soft, doesn't lead by example and lets people walk all over him. Imagine the conversation with Daniel Levy pitching the sale of Wimmer to him back in 2017, Levy would have been laughing thinking what an easy sell it was almost feeling sorry for the gullible sod. My take is JC just isn’t very intelligent. I work with wealthy people for a living, and if there’s one thing that aggravates them more than anything it’s losing money, and if they make a mistake that winds up losing them money they never make it again, yet JC has made the same mistake for eight years and counting. It must be why he has nothing to do with Bet365, he’s been given the club as his toy to play with so he doesn’t fuck up the family business. The most damning part is he seemingly hasn’t recognised this yet, and what I haven’t figured out is if this is indeed down to him being a total dunderhead or if he doesn’t want to admit he hasn’t got a clue what he’s doing. He reminds me of a Viz character.
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Post by senojbor on Sept 28, 2024 23:34:21 GMT
He needs to go
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Post by silsdenstokie on Sept 28, 2024 23:38:50 GMT
Ive always backed JW but this decision aint looking good at all. Quite worried to be honest
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Post by metalhead on Sept 28, 2024 23:46:24 GMT
Bizarre move.
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Post by bagnallboothen on Sept 28, 2024 23:54:22 GMT
There's posters on this page expressing their concerns that a month ago were praising the messiah and stating once the window closed and a bit of time had passed everything would be wonderful.
He's the rest of this week away from losing 95% of the fan base, good luck coming back from that.
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Post by dobber on Sept 28, 2024 23:54:25 GMT
It really is unbelievably crap. In my 40 years of supporting Stoke this is up there with the most stupid, abject decisions I've ever seen. Was SS perfect? No. Was he getting there? Yes. The risk reward was way too unbalanced for this to be a good decision.
I am sure NP is a lovely man, but to date his tactics are at best nieve. Sadly this doesn't auger well for the rest of the season, and as a result one mans legend status may be well and truly revoked.
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Post by potterpaul on Sept 29, 2024 0:16:26 GMT
Has foxy gone into hibernation? We need some balance, no matter how delusional it is.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Sept 29, 2024 0:21:23 GMT
He's condemned us to relegation hasn't he?
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Post by onionman on Sept 29, 2024 0:41:44 GMT
Has foxy gone into hibernation? We need some balance, no matter how delusional it is. He’s getting some rest before a busy day telling 27,000 people they’re knicker wetters.
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Post by kustokie on Sept 29, 2024 1:20:13 GMT
How much of an impact has the SS sacking had on the players? This is not to say the players had a love in with SS, but imagine coming of the back of several positive results like the 5-0 cup game, the Argyle win away, having spent the whole summer camp with the coaching team to then suddenly find out Walters wanted his own man in? I just don't understand why when we appear to have some stability for a change we switch it up at the most unconventional and worst times. Nobody can deny the timing of the dismissal was abysmal. You'd think that John Coates would have some self awareness to recognise that maybe something felt off in dismissing SS when he did, but unfortunately he comes across as bit of a doormat for these managers/DOF. Too soft, doesn't lead by example and lets people walk all over him. Imagine the conversation with Daniel Levy pitching the sale of Wimmer to him back in 2017, Levy would have been laughing thinking what an easy sell it was almost feeling sorry for the gullible sod. My take is JC just isn’t very intelligent. I work with wealthy people for a living, and if there’s one thing that aggravates them more than anything it’s losing money, and if they make a mistake that winds up losing them money they never make it again, yet JC has made the same mistake for eight years and counting. It must be why he has nothing to do with Bet365, he’s been given the club as his toy to play with so he doesn’t fuck up the family business. The most damning part is he seemingly hasn’t recognised this yet, and what I haven’t figured out is if this is indeed down to him being a total dunderhead or if he doesn’t want to admit he hasn’t got a clue what he’s doing. I have being saying this for years (see Coates thread”). To my knowledge John Coates has never managed anything significant and it shows. As you say, rich people get wealthy by hard work and by not wasting money. People like JC who are born with a silver spoon in their mouth don’t put the same value on money and sometimes piss it away. Trump is a perfect example. His father gave him millions and went bankrupt multiple times - he has never had one successful business. Casinos went bust, golf courses operate at a loss, property values in Trump Tower fell 20% when he was in the White House. But 40% of the population think he’s great business man. Rant over.
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Post by kustokie on Sept 29, 2024 1:21:45 GMT
He's condemned us to relegation hasn't he? League 2 never mind League 1
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Sept 29, 2024 7:35:31 GMT
He's condemned us to relegation hasn't he? It's certainly very worrying mate. We desperately need a home win on Wednesday. A fourth defeat in a row would really put pressure on the new coach and players because I'm certain the crowd will turn.
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Post by baconburger on Sept 29, 2024 7:40:03 GMT
He's condemned us to relegation hasn't he? It's certainly very worrying mate. We desperately need a home win on Wednesday. A third defeat in a row would really put pressure on the new coach and players because I'm certain the crowd will turn. I don’t see what we were doing yesterday winning many/any games at this level. No energy, no tempo, no aggression.
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Post by questionable on Sept 29, 2024 7:46:12 GMT
It's certainly very worrying mate. We desperately need a home win on Wednesday. A third defeat in a row would really put pressure on the new coach and players because I'm certain the crowd will turn. I don’t see what we were doing yesterday winning many/any games at this level. No energy, no tempo, no aggression. It was up there with one of the if not the worst tactical approach I have ever witnessed, we did that at school basically we had a circle and a player in the middle trying to close the ball down.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 29, 2024 7:48:40 GMT
He's condemned us to relegation hasn't he? It's certainly very worrying mate. We desperately need a home win on Wednesday. A fourth defeat in a row would really put pressure on the new coach and players because I'm certain the crowd will turn. Will your cousin come back if we kidnap Walters and send him off to the Vale 😆
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Sept 29, 2024 7:51:22 GMT
It's certainly very worrying mate. We desperately need a home win on Wednesday. A third defeat in a row would really put pressure on the new coach and players because I'm certain the crowd will turn. I don’t see what we were doing yesterday winning many/any games at this level. No energy, no tempo, no aggression. I know mate. We have to beat Portsmouth now and I don't give a shit if it's pretty or not.The team really need us to get behind them because confidence is rock bottom.
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Sept 29, 2024 7:57:27 GMT
It's certainly very worrying mate. We desperately need a home win on Wednesday. A fourth defeat in a row would really put pressure on the new coach and players because I'm certain the crowd will turn. Will your cousin come back if we kidnap Walters and send him off to the Vale 😆 I reckon he would 🤣. Walters must be feeling the pressure now mate.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 29, 2024 7:58:50 GMT
Will your cousin come back if we kidnap Walters and send him off to the Vale 😆 I reckon he would 🤣. Walters must be feeling the pressure now mate. Oh aye he is. He won't be sleeping well for sure 😲
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Post by bagnallboothen on Sept 29, 2024 8:01:09 GMT
Will your cousin come back if we kidnap Walters and send him off to the Vale 😆 I reckon he would 🤣. Walters must be feeling the pressure now mate. Odds on this being a week without him appearing in the Sentinel?
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Sept 29, 2024 8:05:38 GMT
I reckon he would 🤣. Walters must be feeling the pressure now mate. Odds on this being a week without him appearing in the Sentinel? Did he do a post match interview?
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Post by Mars on Sept 29, 2024 8:08:40 GMT
Presumably it will Bojan's turn to be wheeled out to convince the fans that everything is going to be brilliant this week. I think everyone else has had a go?
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Post by Biblical on Sept 29, 2024 8:09:55 GMT
Pelach may work out in the long term but what a monumental fuck up it has been from Walters to put so much pressure on him.
If he wanted rid of Schumacher it should have been done last season.
I didn’t particularly rate Schumacher and I wasn’t bothered about his sacking but if you’re going to do it you’ve got to ensure the next person can hit the ground running.
I hate to say it but I’m not far off being done with this club. It’s just been run completely incompetently for far too long.
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Post by Mars on Sept 29, 2024 8:14:02 GMT
Pelach may work out in the long term but what a monumental fuck up it has been from Walters to put so much pressure on him. If he wanted rid of Schumacher it should have been done last season. I didn’t particularly rate Schumacher and I wasn’t bothered about his sacking but if you’re going to do it you’ve got to ensure the next person can hit the ground running. I hate to say it but I’m not far off being done with this club. It’s just been run completely incompetently for far too long. It's inexcusable, on a professional and human level, to have put an inexperienced coach in this position. It's certainly not leadership. He's been put under immense pressure from the first day of his tenure because of how the SD handles this and the timing of the decision. Both things were controllable
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Post by fradleyhomes on Sept 29, 2024 8:35:21 GMT
Whatever happens it's important to differentiate between SJW the player and SJW the sporting director.
His legacy as a player should never be forgotten.
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Post by pavel on Sept 29, 2024 8:49:06 GMT
It's certainly very worrying mate. We desperately need a home win on Wednesday. A fourth defeat in a row would really put pressure on the new coach and players because I'm certain the crowd will turn. Will your cousin come back if we kidnap Walters and send him off to the Vale 😆 I wouldn’t even wish that on the Vale, anyway it’s not far enough for me.
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