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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 24, 2024 12:54:24 GMT
I think most people are of the opinion that there was never an intention to give Schumacher a chance and behind the scenes we weren't helping him to be successful because we didn't want him here. Maybe the lack of support in the background affected our performances but considering we looked so much weaker at the start of this season some fans think we did well to do as well as we did under the circumstances. Schumacher had hardly any time with the new signings who by the looks of it weren't signed for him. People around him would have known something wasn't right But the idea that someone was working behind the scenes to undermine him while he was managing is pure conjecture! It feels like a story made up to build a specific argument. You're right about it being conjecture. But we've all worked in various environments where you see this shyte go on all the time. New director in, decides he can't stand one or 2 of his managers below and engineers them out of the company. I've had it happen to myself. And when you lookbat the time line for Walters and Schumacher it could easily have been the case for Schumacher. So its not as if the suggestion is outlandish. But as you say it's conjecture and more than likely we'll never find out.
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 24, 2024 13:34:40 GMT
But the idea that someone was working behind the scenes to undermine him while he was managing is pure conjecture! It feels like a story made up to build a specific argument. You're right about it being conjecture. But we've all worked in various environments where you see this shyte go on all the time. New director in, decides he can't stand one or 2 of his managers below and engineers them out of the company. I've had it happen to myself. And when you lookbat the time line for Walters and Schumacher it could easily have been the case for Schumacher. So its not as if the suggestion is outlandish. But as you say it's conjecture and more than likely we'll never find out. Cant disagree with that, I think it also depends what folk consider to be unethical, or usual practice in this field. This kind of stuff goes on all the time in work situations but then there has to be some kind of ethical code in place, if that is crossed there is certainly an issue, if not then its par for the course. As an individual these things can work in your favour or seemingly against you. Everybody has their favourites, but sometimes there is a good reason why they might be a favourite, sometimes not. But in this situation I have absolutely no idea so wouldn't make any assumptions.
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Post by ceejays on Sept 24, 2024 15:35:18 GMT
Can you muppets not read . The person closest to SS said Walters was an issue from day one . That’s not conjecture. You only have to search fishloves postings ( it’s not difficult) to see how SS was undermined. And re run the meet the manager
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Post by thornestein on Sept 24, 2024 15:46:56 GMT
Can you muppets not read . The person closest to SS said Walters was an issue from day one . That’s not conjecture. You only have to search fishloves postings ( it’s not difficult) to see how SS was undermined. And re run the meet the manager he will obviously be biased as he’s his cousin , without facts it’s all conjecture
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Post by mickstupp on Sept 24, 2024 17:31:03 GMT
Can you muppets not read . The person closest to SS said Walters was an issue from day one . That’s not conjecture. You only have to search fishloves postings ( it’s not difficult) to see how SS was undermined. And re run the meet the manager You’d have to be a complete muppet to believe the rumour, conjecture and downright bullshit that folk are coming out with on this thread.
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Post by gingerninja on Sept 24, 2024 17:36:46 GMT
I hope Pelatch is a success, if he flops big time, we lose a head coach and a SD..
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Post by premieraj on Sept 24, 2024 17:42:40 GMT
I hope Pelatch is a success, if he flops big time, we lose a head coach and a SD.. Forgive me that’s absolute rubbish! Christ on a bike he’s picked one manager! If it doesn’t work bad luck. Goodness me there is some rubbish talked on here. Give the bloke a chance! I would think Walters may have several goes?
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Post by gingerninja on Sept 24, 2024 17:49:56 GMT
Yes he has made a bold choice, but Schumacher was doing a perfectly reasonable job and it seemed like Walters wanted him gone almost as soon as he took the SD role.
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Post by premieraj on Sept 24, 2024 17:56:23 GMT
Yes he has made a bold choice, but Schumacher was doing a perfectly reasonable job and it seemed like Walters wanted him gone almost as soon as he took the SD role. Seemed like but nobody really knows what’s gone on do they?
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Post by silsdenstokie on Sept 24, 2024 17:58:57 GMT
I hope Pelatch is a success, if he flops big time, we lose a head coach and a SD.. Forgive me that’s absolute rubbish! Christ on a bike he’s picked one manager! If it doesn’t work bad luck. Goodness me there is some rubbish talked on here. Give the bloke a chance! I would think Walters may have several goes? To a point I agree with you but the problem will be if we end up going down as a direct result of this appointment. Then his position would probably be untenable I really want JW to be a success but hes taken a massive risk and put his neck on the line here
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Post by idle on Sept 24, 2024 20:13:09 GMT
The irony is that folk on here are arguing that Walters should have shown more patience with Schumacher. Am I right in thinking some of the same folk are saying we should be getting rid of this new guy (and Walters) after 1 game? Get rid of JW, keep NP and hire MON as sporting director. Easy!
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Post by questionable on Sept 24, 2024 20:26:43 GMT
Can you muppets not read . The person closest to SS said Walters was an issue from day one . That’s not conjecture. You only have to search fishloves postings ( it’s not difficult) to see how SS was undermined. And re run the meet the manager he will obviously be biased as he’s his cousin , without facts it’s all conjecture There’s lots of stuff out there re JW
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 24, 2024 20:31:11 GMT
he will obviously be biased as he’s his cousin , without facts it’s all conjecture There’s lots of stuff out there re JW Roy Keane dunna like him, not that that will convince many on here 😆
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 24, 2024 20:59:52 GMT
The most important job at a club is the Manager,so why is Walters above the manager.
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Post by foxysgloves on Sept 24, 2024 21:04:00 GMT
he will obviously be biased as he’s his cousin , without facts it’s all conjecture There’s lots of stuff out there re JW Lots of stuff. Hard hitting stuff? Or just stuff? Good stuff? Bad stuff? Stufflepuff?
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Post by richardparker on Sept 24, 2024 21:11:52 GMT
There is definitely one thing that is patently obvious to me and that is Jon Walters must have thought sacking SS was going to be a lot more straight forward than it's actually turned out to be. And rightly so.
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 24, 2024 21:35:53 GMT
Can you muppets not read . The person closest to SS said Walters was an issue from day one . That’s not conjecture. You only have to search fishloves postings ( it’s not difficult) to see how SS was undermined. And re run the meet the manager I might reserve my judgement until we've heard from Jon Walter's cousin.
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Post by thepottypotter on Sept 24, 2024 22:53:01 GMT
There is definitely one thing that is patently obvious to me and that is Jon Walters must have thought sacking SS was going to be a lot more straight forward than it's actually turned out to be. And rightly so. All worring signs. They show that JW is: - Very inexperienced - in management if he can't work with someone who he might not personally get on with. You don't need to be best mates to be successful - Out of touch - with fans who, a large section at least from the posts on here, seem to be shocked of the sacking and supportive of Schuey - Indecisive - if he was so certain Schuey was useless (based on what evidence exactly?) - then he should have let him go at the start of the summer - Overconfident possibly to the point of his and the new coach's ruin? Only time will tell if this high stakes gamble will pay off, but he has made it very difficult for the new coach to succeed because the window has closed and a sizeable portion of the fanbase is not happy with how this business has been conducted. It all puts massive pressure on the new coach!
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Post by thornestein on Sept 25, 2024 6:39:05 GMT
There’s lots of stuff out there re JW Lots of stuff. Hard hitting stuff? Or just stuff? Good stuff? Bad stuff? Stufflepuff? made up stuff , the only one proven is the theft at blackburn
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Post by ceejays on Sept 25, 2024 7:09:25 GMT
Go onto the Blackburn site and ask them for a start . As to fishloves he will have been talking to SS weekly I would have thought so not that biased . And re run the meet the manager and watch the body language. It’s obvious he’s undermined .
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Post by Ex-term-oat-cake on Sept 25, 2024 7:15:32 GMT
Pej has it nailed…
“ pick the best players that you’ve got available in their best roles in a system that suits them and (the squad) is balanced. It’s as simple as that. ”
Yes. It really is.
I think Walter’s knew SS wouldn’t do that. He wasn’t doing that. I’ll predict JW will be proved right by January.
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Post by thornestein on Sept 25, 2024 7:30:44 GMT
Pej has it nailed… “ pick the best players that you’ve got available in their best roles in a system that suits them and (the squad) is balanced. It’s as simple as that. ” Yes. It really is. I think Walter’s knew SS wouldn’t do that. He wasn’t doing that. I’ll predict JW will be proved right by January. Did NP do that on friday night ? , Million in the middle ? , then brings Tezgel on the right 🤷♂️
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Post by Ex-term-oat-cake on Sept 25, 2024 8:10:03 GMT
Pej has it nailed… “ pick the best players that you’ve got available in their best roles in a system that suits them and (the squad) is balanced. It’s as simple as that. ” Yes. It really is. I think Walter’s knew SS wouldn’t do that. He wasn’t doing that. I’ll predict JW will be proved right by January. Did NP do that on friday night ? , Million in the middle ? , then brings Tezgel on the right 🤷♂️ Christ. Why don’t you sack him just because we had spineless players in one second half. Stop wetting your panties. It will Be OK.
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Post by spoton on Sept 25, 2024 9:20:52 GMT
Pej has it nailed… “ pick the best players that you’ve got available in their best roles in a system that suits them and (the squad) is balanced. It’s as simple as that. ” Yes. It really is. I think Walter’s knew SS wouldn’t do that. He wasn’t doing that. I’ll predict JW will be proved right by January. Interesting comment I would urge all fans to watch Under the cosh Tony Pulis pod cast Wether you like the man or not is not important but how he got players to play better and playing players only who could play a certain way and not making them play a system they just can't do is basic football, trying now to get players passing it around that they cannot do is totally stupid
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Post by thisisouryear on Sept 25, 2024 9:32:18 GMT
Pej has it nailed… “ pick the best players that you’ve got available in their best roles in a system that suits them and (the squad) is balanced. It’s as simple as that. ” Yes. It really is. I think Walter’s knew SS wouldn’t do that. He wasn’t doing that. I’ll predict JW will be proved right by January. I don't think managing a team really is that simple, if it were then why isn't he a successful manager himself? His record as a manger is pretty shit. Surely there are thousands of managers doing exactly that and failing.
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Post by thornestein on Sept 25, 2024 10:02:36 GMT
Did NP do that on friday night ? , Million in the middle ? , then brings Tezgel on the right 🤷♂️ Christ. Why don’t you sack him just because we had spineless players in one second half. Stop wetting your panties. It will Be OK. who the fuck said sack , just pointing out your stupidity
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 25, 2024 10:06:21 GMT
There is definitely one thing that is patently obvious to me and that is Jon Walters must have thought sacking SS was going to be a lot more straight forward than it's actually turned out to be. And rightly so. Totally agree. The sacking of Pelach if it happens will also not be straight forward as Walters would have to go himself. Hence Pelach will be given a lot of time.
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 25, 2024 10:12:55 GMT
There is definitely one thing that is patently obvious to me and that is Jon Walters must have thought sacking SS was going to be a lot more straight forward than it's actually turned out to be. And rightly so. Totally agree. The sacking of Pelach if it happens will also not be straight forward as Walters would have to go himself. Hence Pelach will be given a lot of time. I don't understand why Walters would have to go? Does the Sporting Director always leave the club when the manager gets sacked? They are completely different roles at the club.
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Post by mamathestriker on Sept 25, 2024 10:15:44 GMT
There is definitely one thing that is patently obvious to me and that is Jon Walters must have thought sacking SS was going to be a lot more straight forward than it's actually turned out to be. And rightly so. Totally agree. The sacking of Pelach if it happens will also not be straight forward as Walters would have to go himself. Hence Pelach will be given a lot of time. In which case sacking a manager who had won 7 out of 10 would look even more daft. That's not me sticking up for SS either who I'd got doubts over. But I'd be delighted with 7 wins in our next 10 games!
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Post by cousindupree on Sept 25, 2024 10:35:53 GMT
I think we are pretty much saddled with Walters for many seasons or until JC moves on. Walters is JC's man. I am still baffled as to how he got the job. No coaching experience, 6 months at Fleetwood ffs and some turns on the media. How the hell does that qualify him for such an extremely important role. Why he fired Dublin who had delivered with some saleable assets from overseas we will never know and why he fired SS will also remain a mystery. The DOF is the best model and arguably the most important role in the club. So why the hell did we recruit Ricky a buddy of the manager and Walters a complete rookie? We are one of the richest clubs we could have paid big bucks to get in a stellar DOF with lots of coaching and recruiting experience in the UK and Europe. His contacts would help recruitment. At the moment all Walters can recruit are players from Ireland. I can see many years of championship mediocrity ahead
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