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Post by baconburger on Sept 22, 2024 13:02:16 GMT
Yup, all under Super trooper Walters watch. And we were played off the park by the mighty Hull without him. Hell, we needed penalties against a fucking league two team. Wake the fuck up. Ennis was a desperation signing. All managers make them. Pulis had a fuckton! Still he hasn't been worse than crooked Gallagher or Cannon (yet). At least he's available. And being picked by NP and Shawcross as a sub. Yep, the future sure is bright... The players looked shell shocked yesterday I hope that Walters doesn’t visit the changing room every game, especially at half time Our young players need lots of support right now, both from the senior ones and the fans We must look forward and not dwell on what has happened Walters should be nowhere near the dressing room on matchdays, ever. If he does he should just cut the crap and appoint himself manager.
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Post by ceejays on Sept 22, 2024 15:08:17 GMT
For most fans would have been happy to be mid table this season and go go for it next season . By which time a settled team and hopefully a definite pattern of play had emerged . To some of us the premiership is VAR is an almost guaranteed first season struggle and not any fun . But Walters seems in a desperate hurry . He could have supported SS and help get us to the promised land in a year or two . So is there a bigger picture. Cuz what’s happening doesn’t make sense to me . A few months back we bought the ground back for nothing cleared the decks and became debt free . The expenditure on Clayton Wood. The fanzone . Having been involved in many take overs this sort of has the feeling of preparing to be sold . But they can’t sell until we are in the premier league and even then avoided first year relegation. Why is Walters in such a hurry ? You can make the facts fit the above scenario for sure and Coates is already a billionaire so why would he sell I hear you say . It’s an intriguing situation
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Post by clarkeda on Sept 22, 2024 16:47:18 GMT
For most fans would have been happy to be mid table this season and go go for it next season . By which time a settled team and hopefully a definite pattern of play had emerged . To some of us the premiership is VAR is an almost guaranteed first season struggle and not any fun . But Walters seems in a desperate hurry . He could have supported SS and help get us to the promised land in a year or two . So is there a bigger picture. Cuz what’s happening doesn’t make sense to me . A few months back we bought the ground back for nothing cleared the decks and became debt free . The expenditure on Clayton Wood. The fanzone . Having been involved in many take overs this sort of has the feeling of preparing to be sold . But they can’t sell until we are in the premier league and even then avoided first year relegation. Why is Walters in such a hurry ? You can make the facts fit the above scenario for sure and Coates is already a billionaire so why would he sell I hear you say . It’s an intriguing situation Yeah I was hoping mid table/top half this year. Promotion push/flirt this year. Then a full tint year 3. Even if we got an amazing manager and went up this year, they WOULD be poached. Add to that the squad isn’t and wouldn’t be anywhere near ready and it would be the manager and system that got us promoted it would be a disaster. I don’t get the rush for being promoted without some stability before hand we’d just get pumped every week.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Sept 22, 2024 18:39:15 GMT
The players looked shell shocked yesterday I hope that Walters doesn’t visit the changing room every game, especially at half time Our young players need lots of support right now, both from the senior ones and the fans We must look forward and not dwell on what has happened Walters should be nowhere near the dressing room on matchdays, ever. If he does he should just cut the crap and appoint himself manager. Is there factual evidence of Walter’s being in dressing room, if he is his what is his input, is it more than positive support to the Head Coach and players? Alternatively is it nothing more than baseless malicious rumour? Clarification would be great
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 22, 2024 18:45:55 GMT
For most fans would have been happy to be mid table this season and go go for it next season . By which time a settled team and hopefully a definite pattern of play had emerged . To some of us the premiership is VAR is an almost guaranteed first season struggle and not any fun . But Walters seems in a desperate hurry . He could have supported SS and help get us to the promised land in a year or two . So is there a bigger picture. Cuz what’s happening doesn’t make sense to me . A few months back we bought the ground back for nothing cleared the decks and became debt free . The expenditure on Clayton Wood. The fanzone . Having been involved in many take overs this sort of has the feeling of preparing to be sold . But they can’t sell until we are in the premier league and even then avoided first year relegation. Why is Walters in such a hurry ? You can make the facts fit the above scenario for sure and Coates is already a billionaire so why would he sell I hear you say . It’s an intriguing situation I can 100% assure you there is no plan to sell Stoke city
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Post by wuzza on Sept 22, 2024 18:46:34 GMT
Walters should be nowhere near the dressing room on matchdays, ever. If he does he should just cut the crap and appoint himself manager. Is there factual evidence of Walter’s being in dressing room, if he is his what is his input, is it more than positive support to the Head Coach and players? Alternatively is it nothing more than baseless malicious rumour? Clarification would be great I think a lot of people on this thread would be advised to increase their consumption of Eastenders or Corrie - they clearly need some sort of fictitious drama in their lives preferably with someone playing the pantomime villain role they can boo and blame for everything 🙂
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Post by Marc01 on Sept 22, 2024 19:44:48 GMT
For most fans would have been happy to be mid table this season and go go for it next season . By which time a settled team and hopefully a definite pattern of play had emerged . To some of us the premiership is VAR is an almost guaranteed first season struggle and not any fun . But Walters seems in a desperate hurry . He could have supported SS and help get us to the promised land in a year or two . So is there a bigger picture. Cuz what’s happening doesn’t make sense to me . A few months back we bought the ground back for nothing cleared the decks and became debt free . The expenditure on Clayton Wood. The fanzone . Having been involved in many take overs this sort of has the feeling of preparing to be sold . But they can’t sell until we are in the premier league and even then avoided first year relegation. Why is Walters in such a hurry ? You can make the facts fit the above scenario for sure and Coates is already a billionaire so why would he sell I hear you say . It’s an intriguing situation Yeah I was hoping mid table/top half this year. Promotion push/flirt this year. Then a full tint year 3. Even if we got an amazing manager and went up this year, they WOULD be poached. Add to that the squad isn’t and wouldn’t be anywhere near ready and it would be the manager and system that got us promoted it would be a disaster. I don’t get the rush for being promoted without some stability before hand we’d just get pumped every week. Just one promotion and one play off appearance in the last 22 full seasons at this level. Unless this very inexperienced HC turns into a miracle worker, there’s no grounds (esp with FFP and parachute payments) to suggest that Stoke are suddenly going to start challenging at the top end of the Championship. Some progression similar to the finishes in 2003 to 2007 would be a start. That was a period predominantly with TP, and his experience as a manger (since 1992), interspersed by a season of Johan Boskamp. 2003: 21st = 51 Pts 2004: 11th = 66 Pts 2005: 12th = 61 Pts 2006: 13th = 58 Pts 2007: 8th = 73 Pts 2008: 2nd = 79 Pts The only other occasion we’ve achieved over 70 points in those 22 seasons was the 73 Pts under another experienced boss in Lou for play off season (95/96). It’s going to need a great deal more than JW’s impatience, and a lot of luck.
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Post by bagnallboothen on Sept 22, 2024 21:30:00 GMT
For most fans would have been happy to be mid table this season and go go for it next season . By which time a settled team and hopefully a definite pattern of play had emerged . To some of us the premiership is VAR is an almost guaranteed first season struggle and not any fun . But Walters seems in a desperate hurry . He could have supported SS and help get us to the promised land in a year or two . So is there a bigger picture. Cuz what’s happening doesn’t make sense to me . A few months back we bought the ground back for nothing cleared the decks and became debt free . The expenditure on Clayton Wood. The fanzone . Having been involved in many take overs this sort of has the feeling of preparing to be sold . But they can’t sell until we are in the premier league and even then avoided first year relegation. Why is Walters in such a hurry ? You can make the facts fit the above scenario for sure and Coates is already a billionaire so why would he sell I hear you say . It’s an intriguing situation I can 100% assure you there is no plan to sell Stoke city You've assured us all summer we'll be a well ran club with the right people in the right places. That's off to a flyer.
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Post by ceejays on Sept 23, 2024 7:24:48 GMT
The club will not be sold while Peter is with us
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 23, 2024 7:30:41 GMT
I can 100% assure you there is no plan to sell Stoke city You've assured us all summer we'll be a well ran club with the right people in the right places. That's off to a flyer. I thunk you’ll fine the phrase I consistently used was a different club and indeed we are , i was I admit hoping for improvement as a result but i do fear that the Walters Schumacher relationship has led to some unbalanced recruitment a poorer squad and mostnconcerningly a very strange managerial decision in terms of timing and most of all replacement . Not his fault but I do fear for Narcis .
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Post by etebojan on Sept 23, 2024 7:56:47 GMT
I'll judge him at the end of the season. They've had one game/week with the proper structure in place (DoF with a coach of his own hiring)... let's see what happens
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Post by baconburger on Sept 23, 2024 9:33:17 GMT
I'll judge him at the end of the season. They've had one game/week with the proper structure in place (DoF with a coach of his own hiring)... let's see what happens I’m afraid I never believe anyone when they make such statements, it’s just not human nature which is constant evaluation. Each new event in this case game of football simply adds to the information to be evaluated. If your brain operates like normal you’ll be constantly be making judgements. What you really mean is you’re not prepared to vocalise them.
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Post by redstriper on Sept 23, 2024 15:40:28 GMT
Considering how he played the game himself I imagine Jon was as frustrated as anyone with the limp and passive second half. In some ways it'll have helped clarify and lot for him and the coach.
I expect a major reaction and a transformation in the next game.
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Post by st3mark on Sept 24, 2024 8:27:51 GMT
I’ve been a big Walters fan ever since he first wore the stripes.
And he started off well in his current role.
Since he sacked SS though, I can’t even stand to look at his face.
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Post by stokiejoe on Sept 24, 2024 9:05:11 GMT
I’ve been a big Walters fan ever since he first wore the stripes. And he started off well in his current role. Since he sacked SS though, I can’t even stand to look at his face. Walters as a player was OK just think this job has gone to his head
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Post by thisisouryear on Sept 24, 2024 9:14:03 GMT
We should see how we evolve before giving Walters too much flack. His plan may well come good in the end and we will all be praising him
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Sept 24, 2024 9:45:00 GMT
I’ve been a big Walters fan ever since he first wore the stripes. And he started off well in his current role. Since he sacked SS though, I can’t even stand to look at his face. Are we absolutely sure the it was JW's decision to sack SS or was he just tasked with finding a list of replacement names for JC once the decision had been made? There's an assumption that JC has abdicated resposibility of running the football side of the business to JW and I just don't believe that is fully the situation.
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Post by tpholloway1 on Sept 24, 2024 11:26:12 GMT
I’ve been a big Walters fan ever since he first wore the stripes. And he started off well in his current role. Since he sacked SS though, I can’t even stand to look at his face. Walters is not to be trusted. It's clear he was working behind SS back to get rid. I've go no time for someone who would rob his team mates.
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 24, 2024 11:35:09 GMT
The irony is that folk on here are arguing that Walters should have shown more patience with Schumacher.
Am I right in thinking some of the same folk are saying we should be getting rid of this new guy (and Walters) after 1 game?
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 24, 2024 11:39:41 GMT
I’ve been a big Walters fan ever since he first wore the stripes. And he started off well in his current role. Since he sacked SS though, I can’t even stand to look at his face. Walters is not to be trusted. It's clear he was working behind SS back to get rid. I've go no time for someone who would rob his team mates. What do you mean working behind his back? Do you mean looking at other managerial options before the sacking? If so, that is his job. All the clubs in the land should have other options lined up if things look to be going pear shaped at their club. That's the job of the DoF, i.e. to have other candidate's lined up The opposite of that would be to sack a manager, and then start from zero. That would be negligent. So you can argue that all clubs are to some extent working behind their employees backs, they do it with players as well as staff, that is part of the game.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 24, 2024 11:45:09 GMT
The irony is that folk on here are arguing that Walters should have shown more patience with Schumacher. Am I right in thinking some of the same folk are saying we should be getting rid of this new guy (and Walters) after 1 game? I'd say you're wrong to think that. I think the issue is more, well for me anyway, Schumacher was brought in to build a young progressive side. A new direction. He wasn't smashing it but he was showing something a bit different. And I think most fans empathised that behind the scenes is a bit of a mess so tolerance was warranted. We've now ripped that all up and put what appears to be a very respected young coach in. But he has no big job experience whatsoever. And given the shannanigans of the last 7 years the job gets bigger and harder each time. So for me I'm concerned about his ability to deal with it all. Especially with no ability to bring a player or 2 in to give him a boost. I'm hoping he can handle it. I have my doubts. I'll support him till the point I realise he's losing the plot and going all mad Nath.
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Post by thornestein on Sept 24, 2024 11:50:43 GMT
The irony is that folk on here are arguing that Walters should have shown more patience with Schumacher. Am I right in thinking some of the same folk are saying we should be getting rid of this new guy (and Walters) after 1 game? not seen anyone saying get rid , ppl are concerned about credentials though
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Post by thornestein on Sept 24, 2024 11:52:21 GMT
Walters is not to be trusted. It's clear he was working behind SS back to get rid. I've go no time for someone who would rob his team mates. What do you mean working behind his back? Do you mean looking at other managerial options before the sacking? If so, that is his job. All the clubs in the land should have other options lined up if things look to be going pear shaped at their club. That's the job of the DoF, i.e. to have other candidate's lined up The opposite of that would be to sack a manager, and then start from zero. That would be negligent. So you can argue that all clubs are to some extent working behind their employees backs, they do it with players as well as staff, that is part of the game. the board have been criticised for not having anyone lined up when we’ve sacked previous managers , can’t win can they lol 😂
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Post by thisisouryear on Sept 24, 2024 12:00:08 GMT
Walters is not to be trusted. It's clear he was working behind SS back to get rid. I've go no time for someone who would rob his team mates. What do you mean working behind his back? Do you mean looking at other managerial options before the sacking? If so, that is his job. All the clubs in the land should have other options lined up if things look to be going pear shaped at their club. That's the job of the DoF, i.e. to have other candidate's lined up The opposite of that would be to sack a manager, and then start from zero. That would be negligent. So you can argue that all clubs are to some extent working behind their employees backs, they do it with players as well as staff, that is part of the game. I think most people are of the opinion that there was never an intention to give Schumacher a chance and behind the scenes we weren't helping him to be successful because we didn't want him here. Maybe the lack of support in the background affected our performances but considering we looked so much weaker at the start of this season some fans think we did well to do as well as we did under the circumstances. Schumacher had hardly any time with the new signings who by the looks of it weren't signed for him. People around him would have known something wasn't right
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 24, 2024 12:36:27 GMT
What do you mean working behind his back? Do you mean looking at other managerial options before the sacking? If so, that is his job. All the clubs in the land should have other options lined up if things look to be going pear shaped at their club. That's the job of the DoF, i.e. to have other candidate's lined up The opposite of that would be to sack a manager, and then start from zero. That would be negligent. So you can argue that all clubs are to some extent working behind their employees backs, they do it with players as well as staff, that is part of the game. I think most people are of the opinion that there was never an intention to give Schumacher a chance and behind the scenes we weren't helping him to be successful because we didn't want him here. Maybe the lack of support in the background affected our performances but considering we looked so much weaker at the start of this season some fans think we did well to do as well as we did under the circumstances. Schumacher had hardly any time with the new signings who by the looks of it weren't signed for him. People around him would have known something wasn't right But the idea that someone was working behind the scenes to undermine him while he was managing is pure conjecture! It feels like a story made up to build a specific argument.
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 24, 2024 12:38:19 GMT
The irony is that folk on here are arguing that Walters should have shown more patience with Schumacher. Am I right in thinking some of the same folk are saying we should be getting rid of this new guy (and Walters) after 1 game? not seen anyone saying get rid , ppl are concerned about credentials though I think there are a fair few promoting the idea of getting rid of Walters on the basis of 1 game of his new appointment.
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Post by ceejays on Sept 24, 2024 12:42:30 GMT
I think most people are of the opinion that there was never an intention to give Schumacher a chance and behind the scenes we weren't helping him to be successful because we didn't want him here. Maybe the lack of support in the background affected our performances but considering we looked so much weaker at the start of this season some fans think we did well to do as well as we did under the circumstances. Schumacher had hardly any time with the new signings who by the looks of it weren't signed for him. People around him would have known something wasn't right But the idea that someone was working behind the scenes to undermine him while he was managing is pure conjecture! It feels like a story made up to build a specific argument. Well I suggest you read ALL the postings of fishloavesoatcakes as he is closer to this than any of us and the words I seem to recall are from the outset Walters was a problem so nobody is inventing a story to satisfy their agenda. Far from it the discussion since last Monday has been agenda free in my opinion
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Post by questionable on Sept 24, 2024 12:46:30 GMT
For most fans would have been happy to be mid table this season and go go for it next season . By which time a settled team and hopefully a definite pattern of play had emerged . To some of us the premiership is VAR is an almost guaranteed first season struggle and not any fun . But Walters seems in a desperate hurry . He could have supported SS and help get us to the promised land in a year or two . So is there a bigger picture. Cuz what’s happening doesn’t make sense to me . A few months back we bought the ground back for nothing cleared the decks and became debt free . The expenditure on Clayton Wood. The fanzone . Having been involved in many take overs this sort of has the feeling of preparing to be sold . But they can’t sell until we are in the premier league and even then avoided first year relegation. Why is Walters in such a hurry ? You can make the facts fit the above scenario for sure and Coates is already a billionaire so why would he sell I hear you say . It’s an intriguing situation I can 100% assure you there is no plan to sell Stoke city There’s at least 15 teams in the Championship who continue to be better than us with better owners with far less financial clout. This they’re fans/local doesn’t wash with me. Shit show
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Post by ceejays on Sept 24, 2024 12:47:50 GMT
No agendas read ALL fishlovesoatcakes postings since last Monday . Walters was shall we say difficult from the outset . If you can read body language re run the meet the manager where Walters dominated the meeting and SS was extremely uncomfortable and hardly said a word . What he did say was pretty guarded . Then to cap it all JC when asked what assets did the club have said Junho and SS . When he said that it did come across as genuine and yet he must have been aware of Walters position
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Post by thornestein on Sept 24, 2024 12:49:01 GMT
not seen anyone saying get rid , ppl are concerned about credentials though I think there are a fair few promoting the idea of getting rid of Walters on the basis of 1 game of his new appointment. walters not NP , ppl feel upset SS as gone , personally i thought it was inevitable but was surprised it happened early
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