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Post by Pugsley on Sept 17, 2024 8:51:34 GMT
It’s Walters responsibility to take the club forward. That’s his job. For me he has done that with the squad in the summer. Some good signings. Walters clearly doesn’t rate SS and so sees it his responsibility to act quickly for the good of the club. Again that’s his role, that’s his responsibility. I applaud him for taking such a massive decision. He has backed himself. That is what you would want. Whether it was a good call or not will be proved in a couple of months but Walters has clearly decided SS isn’t good enough for Stoke City. Plenty on here agree that without the insight Walters has. I like SS. I like his style of football BUT Walters is the boss. Walters job is to see us in the top 6 at least. He didn’t like what he was seeing so he acted ruthlessly. Fair play to him for that. We shall see whether he becomes an all time legend by this or a complete fuckwit. What I can’t criticise is his personal conviction to the well being of this club This 100%. We've got a DoF who isn't messing around if he believes something isn't right. He'll make the decisions. We'll like some, others not so much but what can't be questioned is that he wants what is best for SCFC. Walters has made a career of proving people wrong.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Sept 17, 2024 8:54:57 GMT
I've come to the conclusion that "stability" in this league is impossible unless you're a boring middle of the road team with zero expectations/low budget.
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Post by potterpaul on Sept 17, 2024 8:57:48 GMT
It’s Walters responsibility to take the club forward. That’s his job. For me he has done that with the squad in the summer. Some good signings. Walters clearly doesn’t rate SS and so sees it his responsibility to act quickly for the good of the club. Again that’s his role, that’s his responsibility. I applaud him for taking such a massive decision. He has backed himself. That is what you would want. Whether it was a good call or not will be proved in a couple of months but Walters has clearly decided SS isn’t good enough for Stoke City. Plenty on here agree that without the insight Walters has. I like SS. I like his style of football BUT Walters is the boss. Walters job is to see us in the top 6 at least. He didn’t like what he was seeing so he acted ruthlessly. Fair play to him for that. We shall see whether he becomes an all time legend by this or a complete fuckwit. What I can’t criticise is his personal conviction to the well being of this club This 100%. We've got a DoF who isn't messing around if he believes something isn't right. He'll be decisive and make decisions. We'll like some, others not so much but what can't be questioned is that he wants what is best for SCFC. Walters has made a career of proving people wrong. Well it certainly can be questioned. Like 99% of humans he'll do what's best for Jon Walters. If that means carrying Stoke in forward trajectory all well and good 👍
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 17, 2024 9:00:59 GMT
This 100%. We've got a DoF who isn't messing around if he believes something isn't right. He'll be decisive and make decisions. We'll like some, others not so much but what can't be questioned is that he wants what is best for SCFC. Walters has made a career of proving people wrong. Well it certainly can be questioned. Like 99% of humans he'll do what's best for Jon Walters. If that means carrying Stoke in forward trajectory all well and good 👍 I think both go hand in hand.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Sept 17, 2024 9:03:44 GMT
This 100%. We've got a DoF who isn't messing around if he believes something isn't right. He'll be decisive and make decisions. We'll like some, others not so much but what can't be questioned is that he wants what is best for SCFC. Walters has made a career of proving people wrong. Well it certainly can be questioned. Like 99% of humans he'll do what's best for Jon Walters. If that means carrying Stoke in forward trajectory all well and good 👍 What's best for Jon Walters IS what's best for Stoke... 'Cos if it isn't best for Stoke then it isn't best for Walters 'cos he'll get the sack.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Sept 17, 2024 9:08:09 GMT
Where the hell has all this hate come from for walters? Go back a few pages and it’s nothing but hate for Schumacher how the football is shit. Joke of a club. People saying he has to go. And now that we’ve been pro-active and got rid with a new head coach already lined up to come in a the space of a few days, he’s the anti christ. Isn’t this what people have been calling for ? Given the record of Schumacher it’s pretty obvious we would have been a mid table club and I don’t think any more… so why would you sit with a manager who is going to at most give you mid table when you want to get promoted? I liked Schumacher. But the football we played was on the whole… boring. So why settle for mediocrity for half a season and then change him if we aren’t in the playoffs or worse in a relegation fight. I've posted a few things tongue in cheek and asking questions of Walters' role in initiating this, but I don't think I've got a massive problem with it overall; however some things don't quite sit right. We don't know how strained the relationship has been and, judging by the speed of this, it must have been fairly strained already. The possible interference from above does concern me, as he can't keep getting involved every 5 minutes or every time we lose a game - that isn't really the role he's been given. I'm not sure there's anybody who would take kindly to being told by a non-manager how to manage & coach their side to the nth degree, unless there's prior agreements in a particular way we aim to play & the personnel required to do so. I don't think Schumacher, overall, can have major complaints about getting the chop. The 7 wins from 10 skews things slightly - we picked up at the end of last season and performed well in some dead rubbers, but I don't think we've played well at all this season. The West Brom home game was dire, as were the Watford and Oxford away games. The two wins we got were tight, scrappy affairs that could have gone either way. We also had some absolute horror shows last season with him in charge. I do have a problem with the way we went so balls out to get Schumacher (before Walters was here), to then promote somebody in a temporary position above him calling all of the shots which has seen him gone within 9 months. We got the timing of the re-structuring wrong. I have a problem with the timing of it - if he'd gone in the summer there'd have been a lot of discerning voices, but it'd be forgotten by now and we could have seen what the new guy was about. This simply has to work for Walters' sake. I think Schumacher had the backing, if not the full support, of most fans because we all just want something to work. I'm not sure it was ever going to, in terms of climbing the league and getting out of the division. I'm not sure the guy we've identified is going to do any better, but we've made the decision now and there's no going back.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 17, 2024 9:38:40 GMT
It’s Walters responsibility to take the club forward. That’s his job. For me he has done that with the squad in the summer. Some good signings. Walters clearly doesn’t rate SS and so sees it his responsibility to act quickly for the good of the club. Again that’s his role, that’s his responsibility. I applaud him for taking such a massive decision. He has backed himself. That is what you would want. Whether it was a good call or not will be proved in a couple of months but Walters has clearly decided SS isn’t good enough for Stoke City. Plenty on here agree that without the insight Walters has. I like SS. I like his style of football BUT Walters is the boss. Walters job is to see us in the top 6 at least. He didn’t like what he was seeing so he acted ruthlessly. Fair play to him for that. We shall see whether he becomes an all time legend by this or a complete fuckwit. What I can’t criticise is his personal conviction to the well being of this club This 100%. We've got a DoF who isn't messing around if he believes something isn't right. He'll make the decisions. We'll like some, others not so much but what can't be questioned is that he wants what is best for SCFC. Walters has made a career of proving people wrong. Indeed but listenimg is as big a skill as doing
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 17, 2024 9:39:37 GMT
Where the hell has all this hate come from for walters? Go back a few pages and it’s nothing but hate for Schumacher how the football is shit. Joke of a club. People saying he has to go. And now that we’ve been pro-active and got rid with a new head coach already lined up to come in a the space of a few days, he’s the anti christ. Isn’t this what people have been calling for ? Given the record of Schumacher it’s pretty obvious we would have been a mid table club and I don’t think any more… so why would you sit with a manager who is going to at most give you mid table when you want to get promoted? I liked Schumacher. But the football we played was on the whole… boring. So why settle for mediocrity for half a season and then change him if we aren’t in the playoffs or worse in a relegation fight. I've posted a few things tongue in cheek and asking questions of Walters' role in initiating this, but I don't think I've got a massive problem with it overall; however some things don't quite sit right. We don't know how strained the relationship has been and, judging by the speed of this, it must have been fairly strained already. The possible interference from above does concern me, as he can't keep getting involved every 5 minutes or every time we lose a game - that isn't really the role he's been given. I'm not sure there's anybody who would take kindly to being told by a non-manager how to manage & coach their side to the nth degree, unless there's prior agreements in a particular way we aim to play & the personnel required to do so. I don't think Schumacher, overall, can have major complaints about getting the chop. The 7 wins from 10 skews things slightly - we picked up at the end of last season and performed well in some dead rubbers, but I don't think we've played well at all this season. The West Brom home game was dire, as were the Watford and Oxford away games. The two wins we got were tight, scrappy affairs that could have gone either way. We also had some absolute horror shows last season with him in charge. I do have a problem with the way we went so balls out to get Schumacher (before Walters was here), to then promote somebody in a temporary position above him calling all of the shots which has seen him gone within 9 months. We got the timing of the re-structuring wrong. I have a problem with the timing of it - if he'd gone in the summer there'd have been a lot of discerning voices, but it'd be forgotten by now and we could have seen what the new guy was about. This simply has to work for Walters' sake. I think Schumacher had the backing, if not the full support, of most fans because we all just want something to work. I'm not sure it was ever going to, in terms of climbing the league and getting out of the division. I'm not sure the guy we've identified is going to do any better, but we've made the decision now and there's no going back. I think these are all really good and valid points. The only thing I would say about timings, is that sometimes these can be somewhat out of one's hands. We needed a manager when we needed a manager, and maybe the timing wasn't right then for the best DoF option. We don't know yet whether it was the best DoF option, only time will tell. He's put his balls on the line, but to me that is quite refreshing. We have held on to poor managers for too long in the past and suffered as a consequence. Every manager appointment is a gamble, as will be the next. We also don't know what has gone in this period from the pre-season to 5 games in, within the club. things can change very quickly in football, as can dynamics and relationships. It's possible that Walters was perfectly ok with Schumacher 1 or 2 months back and that has changed for reasons we may never know. We dont know where the players are at for example, and what is getting fed back to the club, all sorts can be going on that we will never see. But in any organisation there can be a point where things just need to change and you can't always plan for when that is going to happen.
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Post by idle on Sept 17, 2024 9:40:29 GMT
People on her need to remember that we are not too good to go down. A huge gamble like this could easily see us in L1 or even further if JW fails.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Sept 17, 2024 9:47:37 GMT
People on her need to remember that we are not too good to go down. A huge gamble like this could easily see us in L1 or even further if JW fails. It could easily see us push on as well. Either way we are going to find out mate.
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Post by idle on Sept 17, 2024 9:48:14 GMT
People on her need to remember that we are not too good to go down. A huge gamble like this could easily see us in L1 or even further if JW fails. It could easily see us push on as well. Either way we are going to find out mate. That we will. Interesting times ahead
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Post by dirtygary69 on Sept 17, 2024 9:50:20 GMT
I've posted a few things tongue in cheek and asking questions of Walters' role in initiating this, but I don't think I've got a massive problem with it overall; however some things don't quite sit right. We don't know how strained the relationship has been and, judging by the speed of this, it must have been fairly strained already. The possible interference from above does concern me, as he can't keep getting involved every 5 minutes or every time we lose a game - that isn't really the role he's been given. I'm not sure there's anybody who would take kindly to being told by a non-manager how to manage & coach their side to the nth degree, unless there's prior agreements in a particular way we aim to play & the personnel required to do so. I don't think Schumacher, overall, can have major complaints about getting the chop. The 7 wins from 10 skews things slightly - we picked up at the end of last season and performed well in some dead rubbers, but I don't think we've played well at all this season. The West Brom home game was dire, as were the Watford and Oxford away games. The two wins we got were tight, scrappy affairs that could have gone either way. We also had some absolute horror shows last season with him in charge. I do have a problem with the way we went so balls out to get Schumacher (before Walters was here), to then promote somebody in a temporary position above him calling all of the shots which has seen him gone within 9 months. We got the timing of the re-structuring wrong. I have a problem with the timing of it - if he'd gone in the summer there'd have been a lot of discerning voices, but it'd be forgotten by now and we could have seen what the new guy was about. This simply has to work for Walters' sake. I think Schumacher had the backing, if not the full support, of most fans because we all just want something to work. I'm not sure it was ever going to, in terms of climbing the league and getting out of the division. I'm not sure the guy we've identified is going to do any better, but we've made the decision now and there's no going back. I think these are all really good and valid points. The only thing I would say about timings, is that sometimes these can be somewhat out of one's hands. We needed a manager when we needed a manager, and maybe the timing wasn't right then for the best DoF option. We don't know yet whether it was the best DoF option, only time will tell. He's put his balls on the line, but to me that is quite refreshing. We have held on to poor managers for too long in the past and suffered as a consequence. Every manager appointment is a gamble, as will be the next. We also don't know what has gone in this period from the pre-season to 5 games in, within the club. things can change very quickly in football, as can dynamics and relationships. It's possible that Walters was perfectly ok with Schumacher 1 or 2 months back and that has changed for reasons we may never know. We dont know where the players are at for example, and what is getting fed back to the club, all sorts can be going on that we will never see. But in any organisation there can be a point where things just need to change and you can't always plan for when that is going to happen. Yeah, completely got that, and two months after Schumacher was appointed we were in all out desperation mode, hence Walters' introduction. It felt like survival was achieved from top to bottom, as a team - from Walters and Schumacher, to the players and the fans. It felt quite united at the end of the season. As you say, who knows what the feelings were really like and what has gone on since pre-season. I think it's fairly evident Walters wasn't impressed with any of it, having gotten rid of all of his staff too. Whether this is because they have only been here for 5 minutes and it's just easier than having to fit them in somewhere, I don't know. I just wish we'd have got it all in order before now, but it's just typically us that it looks a complete mess bulldozing our way through ideas. I'm even saying this needs to work for JW - but does it? Should it be that much on him? You can guarantee if it goes tits up and he loses his job, we'll 180 back to the Manager is God model and we'll be back to square one. I suppose what I'm saying is that Walters might have to stay in the role for a bit come what may because we need somebody somewhere to be in a steady position. Thing happen quickly in football. Who even knows how happy Schumacher was here anyway? I certainly bet he regrets leaving Plymouth for this adventure.
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 17, 2024 9:59:06 GMT
People on her need to remember that we are not too good to go down. A huge gamble like this could easily see us in L1 or even further if JW fails. It could easily see us push on as well. Either way we are going to find out mate. It could have also been a huge gamble to stick with a manager who couldn't decide what team he should be playing, or how they should be playing? Gamble works both ways.
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Post by RWChris on Sept 17, 2024 9:59:17 GMT
My biggest criticism of this club in the last 5+ years has been the lack of any kind of plan. Good clubs have succession plans for when a manager leaves whether it's because they've been sacked for poor performance or, occasionally, if they've performed so well that a bigger club has come in for them. Brighton quite clearly always have an idea where the next manager is coming from even whilst their current manager is in situ.
I remember a few years ago when Southampton were climbing the leagues. Nigel Adkins was doing well with them in the Premier League and out of the blue they got rid of him and brought in Pochettino. The footballing world thought they were crazy for axing someone who was doing well and bringing in an unknown Johnny Foreigner. Pochettino did so well that he eventually left for Spurs. Contrast that with our disastrous attempts at finding Mark Hughes' successor. Hughes sacking must've been considered in the lead up to when it did eventually happen but clearly in the interim the board had just sat twiddling their thumbs without having any kind of plan of where they would go next.
So whilst the Schumacher news came as a shock and I'm not at all sure it's been the right call, I am at least pleased to see that there has been a succession plan and that, for once, we haven't waited to a point of no return for a struggling manager.
Schumacher has done OK so far this season, no more, no less. The Middlesbrough performance in the cup has helped to hide a lot of issues and I think because he is a likeable character people have cut him more slack than most.
Walters has been ruthless and has clearly been plotting for a while. Whilst it could go either way, his balls are absolutely on the line. If this decision goes wrong, he's fed himself to the sharks. If it goes right then it'll be the first sign of this club showing some foresight in many, many years and that is refreshing to see.
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Post by cousindupree on Sept 17, 2024 10:28:59 GMT
I remain unconvinced by his appointment. It was a starry eyed decision made by a very passionate fan of SCFC rather than a hard headed decision to find the best possible candidate. Walters has zero experience in such a role, little or no reach recruiting beyond Fleetwood and Ireleand certainly nothing beyond the UK and Ireland. He fired a recruitment guy who arguably has brought in the best crop of players for some time. Even a couple of them will no douby generate much needed funds. His recruitment picks so far and delivered very little and don't appear to have much sell on value. So and the jury is out on that. He is here to stay. it's hard to see JC firing him. Let's hope that a bumbling CEO, a rookie DOF and a rookie coach can take us higher.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 17, 2024 10:34:33 GMT
Did JW sack Shue or did he have to have a word with J Coates,even then who sacked him JW or Coates?
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Post by bunnyscfc on Sept 17, 2024 10:38:26 GMT
Where the hell has all this hate come from for walters? Go back a few pages and it’s nothing but hate for Schumacher how the football is shit. Joke of a club. People saying he has to go. And now that we’ve been pro-active and got rid with a new head coach already lined up to come in a the space of a few days, he’s the anti christ. Isn’t this what people have been calling for ? Given the record of Schumacher it’s pretty obvious we would have been a mid table club and I don’t think any more… so why would you sit with a manager who is going to at most give you mid table when you want to get promoted? I liked Schumacher. But the football we played was on the whole… boring. So why settle for mediocrity for half a season and then change him if we aren’t in the playoffs or worse in a relegation fight. I've posted a few things tongue in cheek and asking questions of Walters' role in initiating this, but I don't think I've got a massive problem with it overall; however some things don't quite sit right. We don't know how strained the relationship has been and, judging by the speed of this, it must have been fairly strained already. The possible interference from above does concern me, as he can't keep getting involved every 5 minutes or every time we lose a game - that isn't really the role he's been given. I'm not sure there's anybody who would take kindly to being told by a non-manager how to manage & coach their side to the nth degree, unless there's prior agreements in a particular way we aim to play & the personnel required to do so. I don't think Schumacher, overall, can have major complaints about getting the chop. The 7 wins from 10 skews things slightly - we picked up at the end of last season and performed well in some dead rubbers, but I don't think we've played well at all this season. The West Brom home game was dire, as were the Watford and Oxford away games. The two wins we got were tight, scrappy affairs that could have gone either way. We also had some absolute horror shows last season with him in charge. I do have a problem with the way we went so balls out to get Schumacher (before Walters was here), to then promote somebody in a temporary position above him calling all of the shots which has seen him gone within 9 months. We got the timing of the re-structuring wrong. I have a problem with the timing of it - if he'd gone in the summer there'd have been a lot of discerning voices, but it'd be forgotten by now and we could have seen what the new guy was about. This simply has to work for Walters' sake. I think Schumacher had the backing, if not the full support, of most fans because we all just want something to work. I'm not sure it was ever going to, in terms of climbing the league and getting out of the division. I'm not sure the guy we've identified is going to do any better, but we've made the decision now and there's no going back. Spot on
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Post by brizzlestokie on Sept 17, 2024 10:38:30 GMT
Did JW sack Shue or did he have to have a word with J Coates,even then who sacked him JW or Coates? Walters’ statement very much suggests it was his decision
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Post by brizzlestokie on Sept 17, 2024 10:40:30 GMT
Time will tell on Walters - rests hugely on how this appointment goes. That said, considering his lack of experience I like what I’ve seen so far. I’m excited about our squad and he’s identified a progressive target to replace Schumacher.
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Post by senojbor on Sept 17, 2024 10:42:38 GMT
I remain unconvinced by his appointment. It was a starry eyed decision made by a very passionate fan of SCFC rather than a hard headed decision to find the best possible candidate. Walters has zero experience in such a role, little or no reach recruiting beyond Fleetwood and Ireleand certainly nothing beyond the UK and Ireland. He fired a recruitment guy who arguably has brought in the best crop of players for some time. Even a couple of them will no douby generate much needed funds. His recruitment picks so far and delivered very little and don't appear to have much sell on value. So and the jury is out on that. He is here to stay. it's hard to see JC firing him. Let's hope that a bumbling CEO, a rookie DOF and a rookie coach can take us higher. I agree We win 5-0 at Boro (A record if I'm correct) then go to Plymouth and win (Then Plymouth go on to beat Sunderland) And all the time Walters and Coates were waiting for an excuse to sack the manager that was planned over the break Then appoint a no mark coach that no one has heard of from a championship club who will be a puppet Not sure that will ever sit well with me
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Post by stokief on Sept 17, 2024 10:51:45 GMT
It's the way forward. Develop players through the academy and if they're good enough integrate them as soon as possible with the senior squad. A Head Coach can concentrate on being just that and work with DoF to bring in others but not be responsible as of old days to source his own.Too many old style managers just surround themselves with what they've known before and we've seen where that leads us. I think it's called the 'modern' approach which maybe a few of us on here aren't as willing to embrace as we should be Anyway, I stand by SJW and will trust his decisiveness on this occasion. There's no point in dragging things out until an atmosphere gets so toxic it needs yet another complete reset. I feel we have some good players who don't need confusing week in week out. We need a dynamic approach with enthusiasm, vision, good man-management skills, tactical nous and ability and I hope that we find that and that the players knuckle down, enjoy their football and feel responsible for their part in this era of the Club's history. It is all possible if just a little alien to us jaded lot. As usual, let's throw ourselves behind the system and give everyone our support.
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 17, 2024 11:02:08 GMT
I remain unconvinced by his appointment. It was a starry eyed decision made by a very passionate fan of SCFC rather than a hard headed decision to find the best possible candidate. Walters has zero experience in such a role, little or no reach recruiting beyond Fleetwood and Ireleand certainly nothing beyond the UK and Ireland. He fired a recruitment guy who arguably has brought in the best crop of players for some time. Even a couple of them will no douby generate much needed funds. His recruitment picks so far and delivered very little and don't appear to have much sell on value. So and the jury is out on that. He is here to stay. it's hard to see JC firing him. Let's hope that a bumbling CEO, a rookie DOF and a rookie coach can take us higher. I agree We win 5-0 at Boro (A record if I'm correct) then go to Plymouth and win (Then Plymouth go on to beat Sunderland) And all the time Walters and Coates were waiting for an excuse to sack the manager that was planned over the break Then appoint a no mark coach that no one has heard of from a championship club who will be a puppet Not sure that will ever sit well with me With due respect, those are very conveniently edited highlights of what has actually taken place this season with a lot of assumption built in. Your opinion of course, and you are entitled, but there are very many other ways of interpreting what has been going on. I will give just one example, last Saturday (not the first time this season), where the players didn't look like they knew what the f*** was going on
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Post by bagnallboothen on Sept 17, 2024 11:07:37 GMT
I've come to the conclusion that "stability" in this league is impossible unless you're a boring middle of the road team with zero expectations/low budget. There is stability and stupidity. We seemed to have totally bypassed the middle ground.
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Post by stokief on Sept 17, 2024 11:12:08 GMT
I agree We win 5-0 at Boro (A record if I'm correct) then go to Plymouth and win (Then Plymouth go on to beat Sunderland) And all the time Walters and Coates were waiting for an excuse to sack the manager that was planned over the break Then appoint a no mark coach that no one has heard of from a championship club who will be a puppet Not sure that will ever sit well with me With due respect, those are very conveniently edited highlights of what has actually taken place this season with a lot of assumption built in. Your opinion of course, and you are entitled, but there are very many other ways of interpreting what has been going on. I will give just one example, last Saturday (not the first time this season), where the players didn't look like they knew what the f*** was going on A Head Coach is NOT a puppet! Why are people unable to grasp the DoF and Head Coach roles? I'm sorry if people feel that a 'likeable chap' has been hard done by early doors but it was obviously not working the way that it should! The best 'performances' were pretty much when the youngsters played with dynamism and youthful enthusiasm. For the most it looked shambolic and all over the place. I'll say it once more If your team feels the need to tell you your tactics aren't working and you admit to that you're already a goner. Let's just move on now.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Sept 17, 2024 11:14:16 GMT
This is a huge call by Walters. I imagine that this and whoever he helps to appoint, will either make or break him. Which I think is what you would want from a DoF. Not someone who is sitting on the fence. Courage of convictions and all that. We were heading for mid table mediocrity at best with SS in my opinion. I don’t the players were feeling it for a start. There was a disconnect imo. I think that it is hard to judge where we were heading, especially after just five games and bearing in mind several key signings have only just arrived (or have yet to play). It is also worth noting that mid-table mediocrity would be am improvement on our last six seasons. Why give the manager a full pre-season and transfer window just to replace him after the first international break? Courage of conviction would have seen SS removed in the summer. I have no idea what this whole debarkle is. I just hope that we have a plan and know what we are doing.
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 17, 2024 11:25:53 GMT
This 100%. We've got a DoF who isn't messing around if he believes something isn't right. He'll make the decisions. We'll like some, others not so much but what can't be questioned is that he wants what is best for SCFC. Walters has made a career of proving people wrong. Indeed but listenimg is as big a skill as doing Who should he be listening to?
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 17, 2024 11:29:16 GMT
I agree We win 5-0 at Boro (A record if I'm correct) then go to Plymouth and win (Then Plymouth go on to beat Sunderland) And all the time Walters and Coates were waiting for an excuse to sack the manager that was planned over the break Then appoint a no mark coach that no one has heard of from a championship club who will be a puppet Not sure that will ever sit well with me With due respect, those are very conveniently edited highlights of what has actually taken place this season with a lot of assumption built in. Your opinion of course, and you are entitled, but there are very many other ways of interpreting what has been going on. I will give just one example, last Saturday (not the first time this season), where the players didn't look like they knew what the f*** was going on Nor did the ex head coach according to his post match interview.
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Sept 17, 2024 11:44:36 GMT
It’s Walters responsibility to take the club forward. That’s his job. For me he has done that with the squad in the summer. Some good signings. Walters clearly doesn’t rate SS and so sees it his responsibility to act quickly for the good of the club. Again that’s his role, that’s his responsibility. I applaud him for taking such a massive decision. He has backed himself. That is what you would want. Whether it was a good call or not will be proved in a couple of months but Walters has clearly decided SS isn’t good enough for Stoke City. Plenty on here agree that without the insight Walters has. I like SS. I like his style of football BUT Walters is the boss. Walters job is to see us in the top 6 at least. He didn’t like what he was seeing so he acted ruthlessly. Fair play to him for that. We shall see whether he becomes an all time legend by this or a complete fuckwit. What I can’t criticise is his personal conviction to the well being of this club For my money, post of the day. Walter’s is not a stupid man and saw how the club were heading again this season, probably between 14th and 18th place. For my part I’m sick and tired of accepting second best, enjoying the odd game but for the most part going home feeling really peeed off. The club has made massive investments in players (to the point where it’s allowed) and the top brass, like myself, want to see us progress. Under SS, it seems obvious that yet again we were in for another season of mid table mediocrity. WE’RE BETTER THAN THAT FFS! I’m pleased that Walter’s has acted early and decisively and allows the new guy some time to acquaint himself with the club and players. It’s a big gamble and I don’t know the new fella’s credentials (and neither does anyone else randomly posting on this board) but I say again Walter’s is not a stupid man and wants what’s best for the club and crucially in the long run, for himself. I fervently hope better times are not too far away and I honestly believe we have the squad to achieve our goals, let’s hope the new guy knows better than the last incumbent how to use them.
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Post by foxysgloves on Sept 17, 2024 11:45:10 GMT
This 100%. We've got a DoF who isn't messing around if he believes something isn't right. He'll be decisive and make decisions. We'll like some, others not so much but what can't be questioned is that he wants what is best for SCFC. Walters has made a career of proving people wrong. Well it certainly can be questioned. Like 99% of humans he'll do what's best for Jon Walters. If that means carrying Stoke in forward trajectory all well and good 👍 How does Stoke doing shit have anything other than a negative impact on Walters? Zero logic.
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Post by foxysgloves on Sept 17, 2024 11:50:58 GMT
It’s Walters responsibility to take the club forward. That’s his job. For me he has done that with the squad in the summer. Some good signings. Walters clearly doesn’t rate SS and so sees it his responsibility to act quickly for the good of the club. Again that’s his role, that’s his responsibility. I applaud him for taking such a massive decision. He has backed himself. That is what you would want. Whether it was a good call or not will be proved in a couple of months but Walters has clearly decided SS isn’t good enough for Stoke City. Plenty on here agree that without the insight Walters has. I like SS. I like his style of football BUT Walters is the boss. Walters job is to see us in the top 6 at least. He didn’t like what he was seeing so he acted ruthlessly. Fair play to him for that. We shall see whether he becomes an all time legend by this or a complete fuckwit. What I can’t criticise is his personal conviction to the well being of this club It’s possibly the bravest decision made by any Stoke manager, DoF or board member/owner in recent years. We’ve had people crying out for the manager and Walters to be brave in their approach. He’s just done it. It’s not pretty and I feel sorry for Schumacher but personally I think it’s about fucking time we were a bit ruthless and single minded. We’ve arsed around for a decade. I don’t care who the manager or DoF is so long as we get some consistency and quality in our performances.
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