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Post by silsdenstokie on Sept 16, 2024 17:52:43 GMT
A parasite eh……wow Prior to today I think hes done a good job Parasite definition "an organism that lives in or on an organism of another species (its host) and benefits by deriving nutrients at the other's expense." So no managerial experience but lives on the benefit of Schuey but making sure he avoids any blame himself. What has he done that's good? Good transfer window, both for incomings and outgoings Good PR with fans, Ireland, SCOBA etc Big rallying/call speech that got everyone onside and clearly helped us stay up last season Think hes made the wrong decision today mind
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Post by stokiejoe on Sept 16, 2024 17:59:10 GMT
Parasite definition "an organism that lives in or on an organism of another species (its host) and benefits by deriving nutrients at the other's expense." So no managerial experience but lives on the benefit of Schuey but making sure he avoids any blame himself. What has he done that's good? Good transfer window, both for incomings and outgoings Good PR with fans, Ireland, SCOBA etc Big rallying/call speech that got everyone onside and clearly helped us stay up last season Think hes made the wrong decision today mind Agree with you to a great extent which is why sacking Schuey now makes no sense. I hate the concept of a DoF and Head Coach much prefer a Manager who stands or falls by his own decisions. With regards to Coates, it's great to have an owner with money providing he's allowed to spend it.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Sept 16, 2024 18:01:25 GMT
It's ok he worked aaaaard! Proper qualification right there! H RAF. You’ve let yourself down with that comment
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Post by owdestokie2 on Sept 16, 2024 18:06:25 GMT
A parasite eh……wow Prior to today I think hes done a good job Parasite definition "an organism that lives in or on an organism of another species (its host) and benefits by deriving nutrients at the other's expense." So no managerial experience but lives on the benefit of Schuey but making sure he avoids any blame himself. What has he done that's good? “Parasite”………..woof ”What has he done that’s good”……….. What has he done that “isn’t good”??
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Post by owdestokie2 on Sept 16, 2024 18:08:40 GMT
Good transfer window, both for incomings and outgoings Good PR with fans, Ireland, SCOBA etc Big rallying/call speech that got everyone onside and clearly helped us stay up last season Think hes made the wrong decision today mind Agree with you to a great extent which is why sacking Schuey now makes no sense. I hate the concept of a DoF and Head Coach much prefer a Manager who stands or falls by his own decisions. With regards to Coates, it's great to have an owner with money providing he's allowed to spend it. Makes no sense unless there’s been an issue after the game on Saturday which is a “no return scenario”
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Post by stokiejoe on Sept 16, 2024 18:10:35 GMT
Parasite definition "an organism that lives in or on an organism of another species (its host) and benefits by deriving nutrients at the other's expense." So no managerial experience but lives on the benefit of Schuey but making sure he avoids any blame himself. What has he done that's good? “Parasite”………..woof ”What has he done that’s good”……….. What has he done that “isn’t good”?? Allegedly signed players that the coach didn't want and refused players that the coach did want. That unbalances a team
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Sept 16, 2024 18:24:23 GMT
This decision will determine how SJW career here at stoke goes.
If the new appointment is a success SJW will get all the plaudits fir quickly making this brave decision.
If it goes wrong, his time at stoke city is over.
Massive roll of the dice and will have huge effect on his own career.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Sept 16, 2024 18:27:22 GMT
This decision will determine how SJW career here at stoke goes. If the new appointment is a success SJW will get all the plaudits fir quickly making this brave decision. If it goes wrong, his time at stoke city is over. Massive roll of the dice and will have huge effect on his own career. Yep, Id say thats a reasonable point
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Post by peterthornesboots on Sept 16, 2024 18:27:33 GMT
This is a huge call by Walters.
I imagine that this and whoever he helps to appoint, will either make or break him.
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Post by foxysgloves on Sept 16, 2024 18:34:13 GMT
This decision will determine how SJW career here at stoke goes. If the new appointment is a success SJW will get all the plaudits fir quickly making this brave decision. If it goes wrong, his time at stoke city is over. Massive roll of the dice and will have huge effect on his own career. Very true.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Sept 16, 2024 18:38:49 GMT
“Parasite”………..woof ”What has he done that’s good”……….. What has he done that “isn’t good”?? Allegedly signed players that the coach didn't want and refused players that the coach did want. That unbalances a team “Allegedly”. 👍
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Post by silsdenstokie on Sept 16, 2024 18:43:35 GMT
“Parasite”………..woof ”What has he done that’s good”……….. What has he done that “isn’t good”?? Allegedly signed players that the coach didn't want and refused players that the coach did want. That unbalances a team I suppose if Im being synical, if the choice was an Ennis type or Lewis Koumas, you could see why the DOF woukd overrule And I say that as someone who was right behind Schu (froma coaching side) All soeculative mind
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Post by richardparker on Sept 16, 2024 19:58:17 GMT
Giving an unproven at management level, Jon Walters this amount of power ... is as staggering as it is frightening!
Granted he was the 'Messiah' when he came in with however many matches to go last season, but that was mostly nostalgic fantasy. (The popularity of the appointment lifted the club at the time, undoubtedly kept us up and helped Schumacher to stay in a job).
But to arrive at this, with only 5 matches into a new season is crazy. To the outside world (and to me) our club is a joke!
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 16, 2024 20:08:41 GMT
Giving an unproven at management level, Jon Walters this amount of power ... is as staggering as it is frightening! Granted he was the 'Messiah' when he came in with however many matches to go last season, but that was mostly nostalgic fantasy. (The popularity of the appointment lifted the club at the time, undoubtedly kept us up and helped Schumacher to stay in a job). But to arrive at this, with only 5 matches into a new season is crazy. To the outside world (and to me) our club is a joke! Not a unreasonable view
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Post by Do it for dobing on Sept 17, 2024 6:26:12 GMT
If this move which is his doesn't work out.I hope he is prepared to walk out of the football club Of course if we return to the premiership hope he's here for many years Strange times
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Post by owdestokie2 on Sept 17, 2024 7:31:08 GMT
Posted on another thread
If as reported Pelach joins us will it provide evidence that the Club (SJW) was in fact being proactive in his role by having a contingency plan in place for the “just in case”. Contingency planning is a common factor in all successive organisations.
Can you imagine the uproar (quite rightly so) if SS was to leave of his own accord (poached) and we were then forced into a drawn out hunt for a replacement? A Lambert scenario!!
Just a thought
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 17, 2024 7:32:33 GMT
Thank many of us have done it first big new job and too much rush babies going out with bath water is becoming a huge risk
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Post by stokiedan17 on Sept 17, 2024 7:40:06 GMT
Where the hell has all this hate come from for walters? Go back a few pages and it’s nothing but hate for Schumacher how the football is shit. Joke of a club. People saying he has to go.
And now that we’ve been pro-active and got rid with a new head coach already lined up to come in a the space of a few days, he’s the anti christ. Isn’t this what people have been calling for ? Given the record of Schumacher it’s pretty obvious we would have been a mid table club and I don’t think any more… so why would you sit with a manager who is going to at most give you mid table when you want to get promoted?
I liked Schumacher. But the football we played was on the whole… boring. So why settle for mediocrity for half a season and then change him if we aren’t in the playoffs or worse in a relegation fight.
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Post by mickstupp on Sept 17, 2024 7:44:10 GMT
Thank many of us have done it first big new job and too much rush babies going out with bath water is becoming a huge risk He’s showed admirable courage, Benjamin. He’s not been happy with performances and made the correct call. Now the real test is can he bring in someone better?
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Post by moon on Sept 17, 2024 7:44:43 GMT
Posted on another thread If as reported Pelach joins us will it provide evidence that the Club (SJW) was in fact being proactive in his role by having a contingency plan in place for the “just in case”. Contingency planning is a common factor in all successive organisations. Can you imagine the uproar (quite rightly so) if SS was to leave of his own accord (poached) and we were then forced into a drawn out hunt for a replacement? A Lambert scenario!! Just a thought I'm not sure you can expect a relationship to work in the long term if you're always on the lookout for a replacement rather than focusing on making the current one work.
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Post by premieraj on Sept 17, 2024 7:59:42 GMT
Thank many of us have done it first big new job and too much rush babies going out with bath water is becoming a huge risk Well Benji you were right again as you said the club would be totally transformed by September?
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Post by idle on Sept 17, 2024 8:10:51 GMT
And now that we’ve been pro-active and got rid with a new head coach already lined up to come in a the space of a few days, he’s the anti christ. Isn’t this what people have been calling for ? Given the record of Schumacher it’s pretty obvious we would have been a mid table club and I don’t think any more… so why would you sit with a manager who is going to at most give you mid table when you want to get promoted? It's not proactive when you sack him right after the transfer window closes and the new head coach have had no say in shaping the team. It's as reactive as it is possible to be. Proactive would have been in June. This is worse timing than the sacking of MON. I liked Schumacher. But the football we played was on the whole… boring. So why settle for mediocrity for half a season and then change him if we aren’t in the playoffs or worse in a relegation fight. So because things didn't go his way in the first 5 games with a crippled team (no Cannon, no Gallagher, no Lawal, no Cundle and Koumas for just 3 games) he played boring football? I don't recall anyone calling our end to the season boring. Plus, if you don't want boring then maybe hiring the defensive coach of a slightly better mid table championship team isn't the right decision? But who knows, we could get the playoffs playing tiki-taka. We could also be relegated by February. Interesting times
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Post by retrostoke on Sept 17, 2024 8:15:16 GMT
It’s Walters responsibility to take the club forward. That’s his job. For me he has done that with the squad in the summer. Some good signings.
Walters clearly doesn’t rate SS and so sees it his responsibility to act quickly for the good of the club. Again that’s his role, that’s his responsibility.
I applaud him for taking such a massive decision. He has backed himself. That is what you would want.
Whether it was a good call or not will be proved in a couple of months but Walters has clearly decided SS isn’t good enough for Stoke City. Plenty on here agree that without the insight Walters has.
I like SS. I like his style of football BUT Walters is the boss. Walters job is to see us in the top 6 at least. He didn’t like what he was seeing so he acted ruthlessly. Fair play to him for that. We shall see whether he becomes an all time legend by this or a complete fuckwit.
What I can’t criticise is his personal conviction to the well being of this club
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 17, 2024 8:15:33 GMT
This is a huge call by Walters. I imagine that this and whoever he helps to appoint, will either make or break him. Which I think is what you would want from a DoF. Not someone who is sitting on the fence. Courage of convictions and all that. We were heading for mid table mediocrity at best with SS in my opinion. I don’t the players were feeling it for a start. There was a disconnect imo.
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Post by premieraj on Sept 17, 2024 8:16:33 GMT
The issue is for me everyone was crying out for a DOF to make decisions as JC had a poor record.
We’ve got that structure now so have to live with it for a while. Walters has been given virtually total control so we have to see what happens? If it all goes pear shaped we get a new DOF?
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 17, 2024 8:20:17 GMT
The issue is for me everyone was crying out for a DOF to make decisions as JC had a poor record. We’ve got that structure now so have to live with it for a while. Walters has been given virtually total control so we have to see what happens? If it all goes pear shaped we get a new DOF? This is where I am. I'd been crying out for a DOF so I'm now conflicted because I'm fuming they've gone and sacked Schumacher. All I'll say is JW should be sacked with the next manager if he doesn't work out. JW is coming across as a bit of a tyrant.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Sept 17, 2024 8:31:05 GMT
Posted on another thread If as reported Pelach joins us will it provide evidence that the Club (SJW) was in fact being proactive in his role by having a contingency plan in place for the “just in case”. Contingency planning is a common factor in all successive organisations. Can you imagine the uproar (quite rightly so) if SS was to leave of his own accord (poached) and we were then forced into a drawn out hunt for a replacement? A Lambert scenario!! Just a thought I'm not sure you can expect a relationship to work in the long term if you're always on the lookout for a replacement rather than focusing on making the current one work.
Contingency Planning in this case is not about actively looking to replace someone. It’s about preparation for the what if situation. As I said what would be the scenario if SS was poached or he committed an act of gross misconduct and it was inevitable that he was sacked immediately. It’s similar to the recruitment process. They are continuing searching for and monitoring players at other clubs. Nothing under handed, simply being professional.
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Post by bigvern on Sept 17, 2024 8:31:06 GMT
I like this new cut throat approach.
Exciting times.
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Post by moon on Sept 17, 2024 8:34:07 GMT
I'm not sure you can expect a relationship to work in the long term if you're always on the lookout for a replacement rather than focusing on making the current one work.
Contingency Planning in this case is not about actively looking to replace someone. It’s about preparation for the what if situation. As I said what would be the scenario if SS was poached or he committed an act of gross misconduct and it was inevitable that he was sacked immediately. It’s similar to the recruitment process. They are continuing searching for and monitoring players at other clubs. Nothing under handed, simply being professional. Fair point, I don’t think anyone wants to see a repeat of when Hughes was sacked and nobody we were interested in seemed to want the job.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 17, 2024 8:37:43 GMT
I like this new cut throat approach. Exciting times. Maybe. But it doesn't help on the stability front does it. We are crying out for a decent bit of stability. Without that we'll end up relegated at some point make no mistake. We've flirted with it a couple of times already. And we'll be thinking I wonder where Schumacher would have had us by now. JW is concerning me right now. Coming across as a bit of a pretend hard man.
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