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Post by foxysgloves on Jun 5, 2024 15:09:13 GMT
Just had a look and we weren’t far off the play offs….4 points. But yeah I had got a bit confused with his second coming. I do remember beating Forest away early doors though and thinking we might actually do it. Tbf it's very easy to forget the Jordan era too! I forgot how early Macari left in that season. October!!! With him maybe we would have done it. He was our McKenna.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jun 5, 2024 15:11:11 GMT
You’d be happy with a 1 in 6 strike rate as far as signings go? Surely the point is to improve our league position first and foremost? We’re not exactly short of money. I genuinely don’t care where our players come from providing we improve on the pitch. Interesting if you look at Ipswich and their phenomenal success, I’m not sure they exploited the foreign market at all? I think that attitude of just wanting to challenge for promotion, be higher in the league without any beliefs or commitment to anything more comprehensive and strategic for the longer term is why we have been so unsuccessful just flip flopping from one thing to another with no consistency of thought or approach. Long term planning is great. But promotion is better. What’s to stop us doing both? The investment in Clayton Wood indicates SJW sees value in long term planning too.
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Post by baconburger on Jun 5, 2024 15:35:27 GMT
I think that attitude of just wanting to challenge for promotion, be higher in the league without any beliefs or commitment to anything more comprehensive and strategic for the longer term is why we have been so unsuccessful just flip flopping from one thing to another with no consistency of thought or approach. Long term planning is great. But promotion is better. What’s to stop us doing both? The investment in Clayton Wood indicates SJW sees value in long term planning too. FFS your obsessed with JW's influence that's been in the pipeline for an age, it's absolutely nothing to do with him. I'm not necessarily as keen on promotion as you, I'd probably quite enjoy a promotion season (though I didn't enjoy the second half of the last one) but think the reality of being a struggling premier league team is pure misery.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jun 5, 2024 15:40:20 GMT
Long term planning is great. But promotion is better. What’s to stop us doing both? The investment in Clayton Wood indicates SJW sees value in long term planning too. FFS your obsessed with JW's influence that's been in the pipeline for an age, it's absolutely nothing to do with him. I'm not necessarily as keen on promotion as you, I'd probably quite enjoy a promotion season (though I didn't enjoy the second half of the last one) but think the reality of being a struggling premier league team is pure misery. I’m obsessed with SJWs influence 😂😂😂😂 You forgot the S btw. But that wasn’t unintentional was it? Just so we’re clear…..we’re allowed to highlight SJWs influence if anything negative happens (eg sacking Golden Balls Dublin) but if it’s anything positive (eg training ground upgrade) then it’s nothing to do with him? What’s that you say? Agenda?
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Post by baconburger on Jun 5, 2024 15:52:25 GMT
FFS your obsessed with JW's influence that's been in the pipeline for an age, it's absolutely nothing to do with him. I'm not necessarily as keen on promotion as you, I'd probably quite enjoy a promotion season (though I didn't enjoy the second half of the last one) but think the reality of being a struggling premier league team is pure misery. I’m obsessed with SJWs influence 😂😂😂😂 You forgot the S btw. But that wasn’t unintentional was it? Just so we’re clear…..we’re allowed to highlight SJWs influence if anything negative happens (eg sacking Golden Balls Dublin) but if it’s anything positive (eg training ground upgrade) then it’s nothing to do with him? What’s that you say? Agenda? So one thing was clearly well and truly underway before he was even interim and the other wasn't. I'll let you try to work out which is which for yourself. I didn't forget the S I've never really seen anything that super about him.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Jun 5, 2024 17:22:53 GMT
I never said our focus had solely swithched to the domestic market, I chose the word primarily to reflect that. We’ve seen the value in the worldwide market and for some illogical reason decided the domestic market is where our focus should be. Lack of consistent thinking and beliefs is about the only consistent feature of JC tenure. Isn’t the optimum to sign the best available players? Irrespective of their nationality. If they’re in our price range and tick the boxes it doesn’t really matter if they’re from Seoul or Stone. Walters strikes me as quite pragmatic. He likes hard workers and character. He’s obviously seen both those characteristics in Jun Ho and Million so I doubt he’ll be averse to signing more like them. Equally alarm bells ring when you hear stories about Mmaee and see the struggles Jojic has had. Balance is usually the best approach. Just get good players in and the rest should be straightforward. Most sensible post on this thread 👍
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jun 5, 2024 18:05:02 GMT
Long term planning is great. But promotion is better. What’s to stop us doing both? The investment in Clayton Wood indicates SJW sees value in long term planning too. FFS you’re obsessed with JW's influence that's been in the pipeline for an age, it's absolutely nothing to do with him. I'm not necessarily as keen on promotion as you, I'd probably quite enjoy a promotion season (though I didn't enjoy the second half of the last one) but think the reality of being a struggling premier league team is pure misery. “Being a struggling premier league team is pure misery”. Please explain. If in the EPL what would your “realistic” and “consistent” league position be for a club of our size and supporter pulling base be?
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Post by baconburger on Jun 5, 2024 18:55:54 GMT
FFS you’re obsessed with JW's influence that's been in the pipeline for an age, it's absolutely nothing to do with him. I'm not necessarily as keen on promotion as you, I'd probably quite enjoy a promotion season (though I didn't enjoy the second half of the last one) but think the reality of being a struggling premier league team is pure misery. “Being a struggling premier league team is pure misery”. Please explain. If in the EPL what would your “realistic” and “consistent” league position be for a club of our size and supporter pulling base be? Looking at the season just ended I think we could eventually look at around 10th but that's if we were able to survive a few seasons but looking at the amount of games that newly promoted teams seem to win that for me is a season of misery. Football for me is an entertainment/leisure activity, first and foremost it should be enjoyable and the level it's at is not monumentally important. I don't think parking the bus most weeks is in any way enjoyable. I'd sooner have the mentality of the so called yo-yo clubs who get promoted and carry on trying to play football knowing it's likely to get them re promoted if they go down. That just seems very unlikely given the mentality of the club. It took a long time last time before the club showed any ambition to play better football and that was forced upon them by dwindling interest and a few thousand ST holders holding out on renewal.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jun 5, 2024 19:37:54 GMT
“Being a struggling premier league team is pure misery”. Please explain. If in the EPL what would your “realistic” and “consistent” league position be for a club of our size and supporter pulling base be? Looking at the season just ended I think we could eventually look at around 10th but that's if we were able to survive a few seasons but looking at the amount of games that newly promoted teams seem to win that for me is a season of misery. Football for me is an entertainment/leisure activity, first and foremost it should be enjoyable and the level it's at is not monumentally important. I don't think parking the bus most weeks is in any way enjoyable. I'd sooner have the mentality of the so called yo-yo clubs who get promoted and carry on trying to play football knowing it's likely to get them re promoted if they go down. That just seems very unlikely given the mentality of the club. It took a long time last time before the club showed any ambition to play better football and that was forced upon them by dwindling interest and a few thousand ST holders holding out on renewal. Just for clarity did you not get “entertainment” value from being able to view live world/international class footballers up close rather than an edited clip on match of the day? Relegation for me personally was a disaster. I much preferred being “part of”. Perhaps I was easily pleased.
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Post by baconburger on Jun 5, 2024 20:05:03 GMT
Looking at the season just ended I think we could eventually look at around 10th but that's if we were able to survive a few seasons but looking at the amount of games that newly promoted teams seem to win that for me is a season of misery. Football for me is an entertainment/leisure activity, first and foremost it should be enjoyable and the level it's at is not monumentally important. I don't think parking the bus most weeks is in any way enjoyable. I'd sooner have the mentality of the so called yo-yo clubs who get promoted and carry on trying to play football knowing it's likely to get them re promoted if they go down. That just seems very unlikely given the mentality of the club. It took a long time last time before the club showed any ambition to play better football and that was forced upon them by dwindling interest and a few thousand ST holders holding out on renewal. Just for clarity did you not get “entertainment” value from being able to view live world/international class footballers up close rather than an edited clip on match of the day? Relegation for me personally was a disaster. I much preferred being “part of”. Perhaps I was easily pleased. You probably were easily pleased. I found 80%+ of our games dreadful to watch until TP was dispatched and we actually tried and succeeded playing some football.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jun 5, 2024 20:07:22 GMT
Just for clarity did you not get “entertainment” value from being able to view live world/international class footballers up close rather than an edited clip on match of the day? Relegation for me personally was a disaster. I much preferred being “part of”. Perhaps I was easily pleased. You probably were easily pleased. I found 80%+ of our games dreadful to watch until TP was dispatched and we actually tried and succeeded playing some football. Got it…..
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Post by bertiestan on Jun 5, 2024 20:17:57 GMT
Just for clarity did you not get “entertainment” value from being able to view live world/international class footballers up close rather than an edited clip on match of the day? Relegation for me personally was a disaster. I much preferred being “part of”. Perhaps I was easily pleased. You probably were easily pleased. I found 80%+ of our games dreadful to watch until TP was dispatched and we actually tried and succeeded playing some football. Here he is with the ‘easily pleased’ quote🙄🔴⚪️
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Post by baconburger on Jun 5, 2024 20:31:59 GMT
You probably were easily pleased. I found 80%+ of our games dreadful to watch until TP was dispatched and we actually tried and succeeded playing some football. Here he is with the ‘easily pleased’ quote🙄🔴⚪️ You're right it was a quote, he said it I agreed. People have different opinions shocker. If you have to try to kill the game to get something from it, why bother?
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jun 5, 2024 20:43:22 GMT
Here he is with the ‘easily pleased’ quote🙄🔴⚪️ You're right it was a quote, he said it I agreed. People have different opinions shocker. If you have to try to kill the game to get something from it, why bother? I did say perhaps” Its a pity you couldn’t respond to: “Just for clarity did you not get “entertainment” value from being able to view live world/international class footballers up close rather than an edited clip on match of the day” Never mind, it doesn’t matter 👍
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Post by bertiestan on Jun 5, 2024 20:44:39 GMT
Here he is with the ‘easily pleased’ quote🙄🔴⚪️ You're right it was a quote, he said it I agreed. People have different opinions shocker. If you have to try to kill the game to get something from it, why bother? I just think that you get easily pleased and realistic mixed up far too often 🔴⚪️
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Post by foxysgloves on Jun 5, 2024 20:48:21 GMT
Just for clarity did you not get “entertainment” value from being able to view live world/international class footballers up close rather than an edited clip on match of the day? Relegation for me personally was a disaster. I much preferred being “part of”. Perhaps I was easily pleased. You probably were easily pleased. I found 80%+ of our games dreadful to watch until TP was dispatched and we actually tried and succeeded playing some football. Patronising? Much? If only we were all footballing connoisseurs like you.
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Post by flea79 on Jun 5, 2024 20:52:48 GMT
FFS you’re obsessed with JW's influence that's been in the pipeline for an age, it's absolutely nothing to do with him. I'm not necessarily as keen on promotion as you, I'd probably quite enjoy a promotion season (though I didn't enjoy the second half of the last one) but think the reality of being a struggling premier league team is pure misery. “Being a struggling premier league team is pure misery”. Please explain. If in the EPL what would your “realistic” and “consistent” league position be for a club of our size and supporter pulling base be? Financially the prem is where you want to be but as a league it’s terrible unless your an established top 6 side, otherwise it’s an exercise in not getting relegated.
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Post by baconburger on Jun 5, 2024 20:55:44 GMT
You're right it was a quote, he said it I agreed. People have different opinions shocker. If you have to try to kill the game to get something from it, why bother? I did say perhaps” Its a pity you couldn’t respond to: “Just for clarity did you not get “entertainment” value from being able to view live world/international class footballers up close rather than an edited clip on match of the day” Never mind, it doesn’t matter 👍 I did respond to it I said I found 80%+ of the games appalling to watch until TP was ousted. You obviously found just being there entertainment in itself, I didn't I just couldn't abide the mentality of the bloke. I fully recognise it almost certainly gives a newly promoted team the best chance of staying up but it just isn't for me and it's not like I'm a lone voice. If you liked it great for you.
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Post by bertiestan on Jun 5, 2024 21:01:29 GMT
I did say perhaps” Its a pity you couldn’t respond to: “Just for clarity did you not get “entertainment” value from being able to view live world/international class footballers up close rather than an edited clip on match of the day” Never mind, it doesn’t matter 👍 I did respond to it I said I found 80%+ of the games appalling to watch until TP was ousted. You obviously found just being there entertainment in itself, I didn't I just couldn't abide the mentality of the bloke. I fully recognise it almost certainly gives a newly promoted team the best chance of staying up but it just isn't for me and it's not like I'm a lone voice. If you liked it great for you. I liked it because looking at the bigger picture it laid the foundations for what came after him (Hughes era) don’t tell me you didn’t enjoy us upsetting the prem and the so called big clubs, getting promoted under him and staying in the prem will always be a massive highlight n I thoroughly enjoyed it…it’s not like I’m a lone voice either😉🔴⚪️
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Post by baconburger on Jun 5, 2024 21:07:25 GMT
You probably were easily pleased. I found 80%+ of our games dreadful to watch until TP was dispatched and we actually tried and succeeded playing some football. Patronising? Much? If only we were all footballing connoisseurs like you. It's nothing to do with being a connoisseur the mentality was far far worse than the type of football the man would more often than not just set out to kill the game and that wasn't just because we were in the premier league he did it plenty in the championship too. If the ends justified the means to you happy days. I thought it was shit and wanted him gone every season he was here.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jun 5, 2024 21:16:59 GMT
I did say perhaps” Its a pity you couldn’t respond to: “Just for clarity did you not get “entertainment” value from being able to view live world/international class footballers up close rather than an edited clip on match of the day” Never mind, it doesn’t matter 👍 I did respond to it I said I found 80%+ of the games appalling to watch until TP was ousted. You obviously found just being there entertainment in itself, I didn't I just couldn't abide the mentality of the bloke. I fully recognise it almost certainly gives a newly promoted team the best chance of staying up but it just isn't for me and it's not like I'm a lone voice. If you liked it great for you. It says a lot to me that it was you who brought TP into the overall debate. To my shame I did enjoy the reputation that we earned, an FA Cup Semi Final & Final plus my travel overseas to see us in a European competition some 35 or so years after my trip to Ajax. I’m guilty as charged of being “easily pleased”
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Post by baconburger on Jun 5, 2024 21:35:50 GMT
I did respond to it I said I found 80%+ of the games appalling to watch until TP was ousted. You obviously found just being there entertainment in itself, I didn't I just couldn't abide the mentality of the bloke. I fully recognise it almost certainly gives a newly promoted team the best chance of staying up but it just isn't for me and it's not like I'm a lone voice. If you liked it great for you. I liked it because looking at the bigger picture it laid the foundations for what came after him (Hughes era) don’t tell me you didn’t enjoy us upsetting the prem and the so called big clubs, getting promoted under him and staying in the prem will always be a massive highlight n I thoroughly enjoyed it…it’s not like I’m a lone voice either😉🔴⚪️ I don't think you are. I'm fully aware some people loved every minute of it. It did indeed lay the foundations I've often acknowledged I don't think many other managers would have kept us up that didn't mean I found it entertaining in the main. I just couldn't stand the mentality of the man even though it may have been what was necessary to stay in the league.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jun 5, 2024 21:45:33 GMT
Patronising? Much? If only we were all footballing connoisseurs like you. It's nothing to do with being a connoisseur the mentality was far far worse than the type of football the man would more often than not just set out to kill the game and that wasn't just because we were in the premier league he did it plenty in the championship too. If the ends justified the means to you happy days. I thought it was shit and wanted him gone every season he was here. A fair bit of it was shit. But my god the highs were pretty special. Wolves away in the Champ. Villa home in the Prem. Chelsea home in the Prem. Liverpool home in Prem. Newcastle home in the Prem. The FA cup run. Did he really set us up just not to lose in those games (and many others)?
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Post by baconburger on Jun 5, 2024 21:45:40 GMT
I did respond to it I said I found 80%+ of the games appalling to watch until TP was ousted. You obviously found just being there entertainment in itself, I didn't I just couldn't abide the mentality of the bloke. I fully recognise it almost certainly gives a newly promoted team the best chance of staying up but it just isn't for me and it's not like I'm a lone voice. If you liked it great for you. It says a lot to me that it was you who brought TP into the overall debate. To my shame I did enjoy the reputation that we earned, an FA Cup Semi Final & Final plus my travel overseas to see us in a European competition some 35 or so years after my trip to Ajax. I’m guilty as charged of being “easily pleased” Who wouldn't enjoy the run we had around that semi final. I didn't enjoy the final I thought it was back to Pulis being Pulis and imo the following season was awful where he'd ripped up the formula that produced that run and had Charlie Adam playing behind Crouch. It was painful to watch. He just wasn't a man to consistently produce attacking football. He'd always find a reason to go into his shell.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jun 5, 2024 21:52:15 GMT
It says a lot to me that it was you who brought TP into the overall debate. To my shame I did enjoy the reputation that we earned, an FA Cup Semi Final & Final plus my travel overseas to see us in a European competition some 35 or so years after my trip to Ajax. I’m guilty as charged of being “easily pleased” Who wouldn't enjoy the run we had around that semi final. I didn't enjoy the final I thought it was back to Pulis being Pulis and imo the following season was awful where he'd ripped up the formula that produced that run and had Charlie Adam playing behind Crouch. It was painful to watch. He just wasn't a man to consistently produce attacking football. He'd always find a reason to go into his shell. Out of interest what was your former name on here? Because I’m sure we’ve probably argued the same points previously under your previous incarnation.
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Post by scfcadams on Jun 5, 2024 21:53:29 GMT
FFS your obsessed with JW's influence that's been in the pipeline for an age, it's absolutely nothing to do with him. I'm not necessarily as keen on promotion as you, I'd probably quite enjoy a promotion season (though I didn't enjoy the second half of the last one) but think the reality of being a struggling premier league team is pure misery. I’m obsessed with SJWs influence 😂😂😂😂 You forgot the S btw. But that wasn’t unintentional was it? Just so we’re clear…..we’re allowed to highlight SJWs influence if anything negative happens (eg sacking Golden Balls Dublin) but if it’s anything positive (eg training ground upgrade) then it’s nothing to do with him? What’s that you say? Agenda? That genuinely does have nothing to do with him though?
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Post by baconburger on Jun 5, 2024 21:55:44 GMT
Who wouldn't enjoy the run we had around that semi final. I didn't enjoy the final I thought it was back to Pulis being Pulis and imo the following season was awful where he'd ripped up the formula that produced that run and had Charlie Adam playing behind Crouch. It was painful to watch. He just wasn't a man to consistently produce attacking football. He'd always find a reason to go into his shell. Out of interest what was your former name on here? Because I’m sure we’ve probably argued the same points previously under your previous incarnation. Previous incarnation not me guvnor. You trying to get me banned.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jun 5, 2024 22:00:17 GMT
Out of interest what was your former name on here? Because I’m sure we’ve probably argued the same points previously under your previous incarnation. Previous incarnation not me guvnor. You trying to get me banned. So you’re a supporter of 20 years but you never had an oatcake account till this season? And you’re rivalled only by Bayern for post frequency. I smell a rat. What are you trying to hide!!?!
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Post by lstokie on Jun 5, 2024 22:00:42 GMT
Patronising? Much? If only we were all footballing connoisseurs like you. It's nothing to do with being a connoisseur the mentality was far far worse than the type of football the man would more often than not just set out to kill the game and that wasn't just because we were in the premier league he did it plenty in the championship too. If the ends justified the means to you happy days. I thought it was shit and wanted him gone every season he was here. Attempting to imitate the most unpopular poster on the board might be the saddest thing I've seen. We get your point mate well done
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Post by baconburger on Jun 6, 2024 6:42:51 GMT
Previous incarnation not me guvnor. You trying to get me banned. So you’re a supporter of 20 years but you never had an oatcake account till this season? And you’re rivalled only by Bayern for post frequency. I smell a rat. What are you trying to hide!!?! It’s completely irrelevant. I’ve been a supporter for more than twice as long as you suggest. What might I be trying to hide?
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