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Post by J-Roar on Jun 3, 2024 20:24:28 GMT
SJW has loads of contacts in the game and now we bring in Darnbrough who is similarly well connected. Every signing needs to make some positive contribution not half of them like last season. that’s hard to achieve , normally it’s 50/50 at any club bar the big guns In March's world a certain Welshman bucked that trend
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Post by mattador78 on Jun 3, 2024 20:24:50 GMT
Another brick in a fast building wall of change it’s inevitable there will be quiet spells but a very very solid start to the summer and the spectacular still to come I agree completely. Solid. You on about Darnbrough? Or Benjis spelling and grammar?
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Post by J-Roar on Jun 3, 2024 20:26:02 GMT
Alright come on now the game's up, what have you done with the real Benji? Real one is obviously tied up and gagged in a corner somewhere. I think you mean he's toid op und googed
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Post by thischarmingmanc on Jun 3, 2024 20:51:15 GMT
Every signing needs to make some positive contribution not half of them like last season. Piffle, not a realistic goal. All it does it makes you sound bombastic and slightly stupid.
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Post by smallthorner on Jun 3, 2024 20:56:45 GMT
SJW has loads of contacts in the game and now we bring in Darnbrough who is similarly well connected. Every signing needs to make some positive contribution not half of them like last season. Absolutely. Not sure why some people find that perplexing.
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Post by thischarmingmanc on Jun 3, 2024 21:05:02 GMT
SJW has loads of contacts in the game and now we bring in Darnbrough who is similarly well connected. Every signing needs to make some positive contribution not half of them like last season. Absolutely. Not sure why some people find that perplexing. Because every recruitment team makes hits and misses, to demand they every signing works is being divorced from reality. TP made some very astute and important signings. He also is responsible for these signings which were mostly bloody awful for us; Brek Shea, Wilson Palacious, Michael Knightly, Matthew Upson, Patrick Burger, Maurice Edu, Camerone Jerome, Matthew Upson, Dave Kitson ( for 7 bloody million ), John Parkin, Patrick Burger, Deigo Arismendi, Michael Tounge and i didn't go anywhere near most of his free, loan transfers and his transfers in his first spell with us..
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Post by J-Roar on Jun 3, 2024 21:06:14 GMT
SJW has loads of contacts in the game and now we bring in Darnbrough who is similarly well connected. Every signing needs to make some positive contribution not half of them like last season. Absolutely. Not sure why some people find that perplexing. Because it's ridiculous shite that no club in the history of football has ever achieved?
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Post by lordb on Jun 3, 2024 21:30:00 GMT
that’s hard to achieve , normally it’s 50/50 at any club bar the big guns In March's world a certain Welshman bucked that trend Durban?
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Post by smallthorner on Jun 3, 2024 21:42:15 GMT
Absolutely. Not sure why some people find that perplexing. Because every recruitment team makes hits and misses, to demand they every signing works is being divorced from reality. TP made some very astute and important signings. He also is responsible for these signings which were mostly bloody awful for us; Brek Shea, Wilson Palacious, Michael Knightly, Matthew Upson, Patrick Burger, Maurice Edu, Camerone Jerome, Matthew Upson, Dave Kitson ( for 7 bloody million ), John Parkin, Patrick Burger, Deigo Arismendi, Michael Tounge and i didn't go anywhere near most of his free, loan transfers and his transfers in his first spell with us.. "make some positive contribution" Is that too much to ask for a professional footballer on a big wage. The point is that even if the duddest of dud signings turned up for a few games and gave a positive contribution to the team we would be a lot better off. For example that big lump of a centre forward from Burnley had scored a couple of goals in tight games .. that would have been nice.
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Post by Scrotnig on Jun 3, 2024 22:11:09 GMT
Absolutely. Not sure why some people find that perplexing. Because every recruitment team makes hits and misses, to demand they every signing works is being divorced from reality. TP made some very astute and important signings. He also is responsible for these signings which were mostly bloody awful for us; Brek Shea, Wilson Palacious, Michael Knightly, Matthew Upson, Patrick Burger, Maurice Edu, Camerone Jerome, Matthew Upson, Dave Kitson ( for 7 bloody million ), John Parkin, Patrick Burger, Deigo Arismendi, Michael Tounge and i didn't go anywhere near most of his free, loan transfers and his transfers in his first spell with us.. Yep. I’m a big fan of TP but he had his fair share of clunkers, as anyone does. We have to be realistic about what’s achievable. More hits than misses is a good start.
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Post by J-Roar on Jun 3, 2024 22:24:36 GMT
Because every recruitment team makes hits and misses, to demand they every signing works is being divorced from reality. TP made some very astute and important signings. He also is responsible for these signings which were mostly bloody awful for us; Brek Shea, Wilson Palacious, Michael Knightly, Matthew Upson, Patrick Burger, Maurice Edu, Camerone Jerome, Matthew Upson, Dave Kitson ( for 7 bloody million ), John Parkin, Patrick Burger, Deigo Arismendi, Michael Tounge and i didn't go anywhere near most of his free, loan transfers and his transfers in his first spell with us.. "make some positive contribution" Is that too much to ask for a professional footballer on a big wage. The point is that even if the duddest of dud signings turned up for a few games and gave a positive contribution to the team we would be a lot better off. For example that big lump of a centre forward from Burnley had scored a couple of goals in tight games .. that would have been nice. Jesus. Do you really think that's what March meant? By your logic Vokes did make a positive contribution by scoring the winner v Wednesday.
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Post by smallthorner on Jun 3, 2024 22:35:15 GMT
"make some positive contribution" Is that too much to ask for a professional footballer on a big wage. The point is that even if the duddest of dud signings turned up for a few games and gave a positive contribution to the team we would be a lot better off. For example that big lump of a centre forward from Burnley had scored a couple of goals in tight games .. that would have been nice. Jesus. Do you really think that's what March meant? By your logic Vokes did make a positive contribution by scoring the winner v Wednesday. I'm not sure what March meant to be perfectly honest.. But my point is that we've had too many duds over the last few years and out of the dozens of players that we have signed not many have made a "positive contribution"
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Post by ParaPsych on Jun 3, 2024 23:00:23 GMT
Absolutely. Not sure why some people find that perplexing. Because every recruitment team makes hits and misses, to demand they every signing works is being divorced from reality. TP made some very astute and important signings. He also is responsible for these signings which were mostly bloody awful for us; Brek Shea, Wilson Palacious, Michael Knightly, Matthew Upson, Patrick Burger, Maurice Edu, Camerone Jerome, Matthew Upson, Dave Kitson ( for 7 bloody million ), John Parkin, Patrick Burger, Deigo Arismendi, Michael Tounge and i didn't go anywhere near most of his free, loan transfers and his transfers in his first spell with us.. That list of names belongs on the New Kits thread. Top work.
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Post by smallthorner on Jun 3, 2024 23:29:59 GMT
Because every recruitment team makes hits and misses, to demand they every signing works is being divorced from reality. TP made some very astute and important signings. He also is responsible for these signings which were mostly bloody awful for us; Brek Shea, Wilson Palacious, Michael Knightly, Matthew Upson, Patrick Burger, Maurice Edu, Camerone Jerome, Matthew Upson, Dave Kitson ( for 7 bloody million ), John Parkin, Patrick Burger, Deigo Arismendi, Michael Tounge and i didn't go anywhere near most of his free, loan transfers and his transfers in his first spell with us.. Yep. I’m a big fan of TP but he had his fair share of clunkers, as anyone does. We have to be realistic about what’s achievable. More hits than misses is a good start. It's filed under the corporate drawer called "net result"
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Post by Gods on Jun 3, 2024 23:30:06 GMT
I've never heard of this chap, but I hope he knows what he is doing.
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Post by callas12 on Jun 4, 2024 0:50:29 GMT
Absolutely. Not sure why some people find that perplexing. Because every recruitment team makes hits and misses, to demand they every signing works is being divorced from reality. TP made some very astute and important signings. He also is responsible for these signings which were mostly bloody awful for us; Brek Shea, Wilson Palacious, Michael Knightly, Matthew Upson, Patrick Burger, Maurice Edu, Camerone Jerome, Matthew Upson, Dave Kitson ( for 7 bloody million ), John Parkin, Patrick Burger, Deigo Arismendi, Michael Tounge and i didn't go anywhere near most of his free, loan transfers and his transfers in his first spell with us.. You mentioned Patrick Burger twice, he wasn't that bad 😉🤣 ! Paul Williams for me was TP's worst aquasition, it was like we'd signed a heavyweight boxer!
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 4, 2024 5:17:55 GMT
While not averse to the overseas market looks like this guy is going to focus on battle hardened Championship players and prospects from the lower leagues. The problem with Neil and Schumacher is that they were clearly favouring players from the UK market that they already knew which is fishing in a very small pool. Jared brought in some gems but while you could see the potential from day one in the likes of Bae and Burger it took over half a season to fully adapt and consistently deliver. It looks like the plan is to hit the ground running this season with a core of players who know this league and I suspect the HC is going to have fewer of their picks coming through the door which I don't think is necessarily a bad thing.
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Post by nonameface on Jun 4, 2024 5:45:45 GMT
Because every recruitment team makes hits and misses, to demand they every signing works is being divorced from reality. TP made some very astute and important signings. He also is responsible for these signings which were mostly bloody awful for us; Brek Shea, Wilson Palacious, Michael Knightly, Matthew Upson, Patrick Burger, Maurice Edu, Camerone Jerome, Matthew Upson, Dave Kitson ( for 7 bloody million ), John Parkin, Patrick Burger, Deigo Arismendi, Michael Tounge and i didn't go anywhere near most of his free, loan transfers and his transfers in his first spell with us.. You mentioned Patrick Burger twice, he wasn't that bad 😉🤣 ! Paul Williams for me was TP's worst aquasition, it was like we'd signed a heavyweight boxer! and Upson. Re Paul Williams, remember being excited at signing him as he had performed well before us, but Christ he was shite.
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Post by thischarmingmanc on Jun 4, 2024 6:02:11 GMT
Go Back into his first time with us and there were some absolute howlers, but i decided not to go there as we had no money. 2nd time around he made some really good signings, and though i'm not a TP fan, lots for good amounts too. Because every recruitment team makes hits and misses, to demand they every signing works is being divorced from reality. TP made some very astute and important signings. He also is responsible for these signings which were mostly bloody awful for us; Brek Shea, Wilson Palacious, Michael Knightly, Matthew Upson, Patrick Burger, Maurice Edu, Camerone Jerome, Matthew Upson, Dave Kitson ( for 7 bloody million ), John Parkin, Patrick Burger, Deigo Arismendi, Michael Tounge and i didn't go anywhere near most of his free, loan transfers and his transfers in his first spell with us.. You mentioned Patrick Burger twice, he wasn't that bad 😉🤣 ! Paul Williams for me was TP's worst aquasition, it was like we'd signed a heavyweight boxer!
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Post by gaznandi on Jun 4, 2024 7:22:26 GMT
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Post by LGH87 on Jun 4, 2024 7:43:07 GMT
sounds like he did a decent job under difficult and changing circumstances, add in the high profile loans they managed to recruit too. Hopefully with our budget and data analysis he'll be able to guide a successful recruitment drive.
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Post by baconburger on Jun 4, 2024 7:52:48 GMT
While not averse to the overseas market looks like this guy is going to focus on battle hardened Championship players and prospects from the lower leagues. The problem with Neil and Schumacher is that they were clearly favouring players from the UK market that they already knew which is fishing in a very small pool. Jared brought in some gems but while you could see the potential from day one in the likes of Bae and Burger it took over half a season to fully adapt and consistently deliver. It looks like the plan is to hit the ground running this season with a core of players who know this league and I suspect the HC is going to have fewer of their picks coming through the door which I don't think is necessarily a bad thing. So less than 1 year with some notable successes and we’re back to Brexit FC. Fuck me the mentality of this club.
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Post by callas12 on Jun 4, 2024 8:09:23 GMT
Just read a BBC report about us appointing Lee as our Head of Recruitment & it's main title does make a great point about his credentials & why he's been the guy we've turned to..
*Lee Darnborough has previously helped Norwich City, Burnley and West Bromwich Albion all win promotion from the Championship*
That isn't too bad a record to have on your CV. & if you add his work at Hull City, they should all but have wrapped up at least a play off place this season just gone so his history of work at clubs he's worked at isn't to shabby.
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Post by Pugsley on Jun 4, 2024 8:12:16 GMT
Is he mates with StS or SJW?
No?
Good. One less thing to moan about.
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Post by baconburger on Jun 4, 2024 8:15:01 GMT
Is he mates with StS or SJW? No? Good. One less thing to moan about. Was there a need for a change of tac on recruitment? No. Bad.
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Post by theonlooker on Jun 4, 2024 8:24:08 GMT
This line from the Sentinel piece worries me a bit:
It's probably fair to say his role is slightly different under Acun Ilicali's tenure to what it was when the Allams ran the club. Since the takeover in January 2022, City have operated a more continental approach with how they conduct their transfer work and he's opted to move on.
It's a hint towards a longer term change in philosophy at Stoke from what was a promising move into foreign markets to a more meat and potatoes British strategy. Not conclusive proof of course but worrying for me personally. I know Jared wasn't everyone's cup of tea, and some of his signings were poor, but the good signings were very good and that strategy would have surely been honed to limit the failures over time?
Again, it's not to say you can't be successful looking at the domestic market but the quality players cost serious money at this level, and it is undoubtedly harder to get value for money. Something a non parachute money club simply has to get. The worry is you turn into Preston North End V2.0 quite quickly.
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Jun 4, 2024 8:24:57 GMT
Because every recruitment team makes hits and misses, to demand they every signing works is being divorced from reality. TP made some very astute and important signings. He also is responsible for these signings which were mostly bloody awful for us; Brek Shea, Wilson Palacious, Michael Knightly, Matthew Upson, Patrick Burger, Maurice Edu, Camerone Jerome, Matthew Upson, Dave Kitson ( for 7 bloody million ), John Parkin, Patrick Burger, Deigo Arismendi, Michael Tounge and i didn't go anywhere near most of his free, loan transfers and his transfers in his first spell with us.. You mentioned Patrick Burger twice, he wasn't that bad 😉🤣 ! Paul Williams for me was TP's worst aquasition, it was like we'd signed a heavyweight boxer! Cameron Jerome played his part in our early prem years.
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Post by Clem Fandango on Jun 4, 2024 8:44:46 GMT
This line from the Sentinel piece worries me a bit: It's probably fair to say his role is slightly different under Acun Ilicali's tenure to what it was when the Allams ran the club. Since the takeover in January 2022, City have operated a more continental approach with how they conduct their transfer work and he's opted to move on.It's a hint towards a longer term change in philosophy at Stoke from what was a promising move into foreign markets to a more meat and potatoes British strategy. Not conclusive proof of course but worrying for me personally. I know Jared wasn't everyone's cup of tea, and some of his signings were poor, but the good signings were very good and that strategy would have surely been honed to limit the failures over time? Again, it's not to say you can't be successful looking at the domestic market but the quality players cost serious money at this level, and it is undoubtedly harder to get value for money. Something a non parachute money club simply has to get. The worry is you turn into Preston North End V2.0 quite quickly. Feels a bit bizarre to abandon it after 12 months (but not surprising given how we seem to swap what we are doing frequently). I'm hoping that the links to the Korean lad today and the Swiss lad yesterday are good signs that we've not completely abandoned the model.
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Post by potterpaul on Jun 4, 2024 8:49:42 GMT
Is he mates with StS or SJW? No? Good. One less thing to moan about. Not sure Dublin was either, now you mention it.
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Post by lordb on Jun 4, 2024 8:53:02 GMT
This line from the Sentinel piece worries me a bit: It's probably fair to say his role is slightly different under Acun Ilicali's tenure to what it was when the Allams ran the club. Since the takeover in January 2022, City have operated a more continental approach with how they conduct their transfer work and he's opted to move on.It's a hint towards a longer term change in philosophy at Stoke from what was a promising move into foreign markets to a more meat and potatoes British strategy. Not conclusive proof of course but worrying for me personally. I know Jared wasn't everyone's cup of tea, and some of his signings were poor, but the good signings were very good and that strategy would have surely been honed to limit the failures over time? Again, it's not to say you can't be successful looking at the domestic market but the quality players cost serious money at this level, and it is undoubtedly harder to get value for money. Something a non parachute money club simply has to get. The worry is you turn into Preston North End V2.0 quite quickly. Feels a bit bizarre to abandon it after 12 months (but not surprising given how we seem to swap what we are doing frequently). I'm hoping that the links to the Korean lad today and the Swiss lad yesterday are good signs that we've not completely abandoned the model. There's no suggestion we have other than paranoia because some people seem to think Walters is a Pulis clone
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