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Post by thedeadlyshart on May 24, 2024 19:28:57 GMT
Yes, and Please bring in Carvalho on loan.
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Post by stokiejoe89 on May 24, 2024 19:32:58 GMT
Yes, and Please bring in Carvalho on loan. Keep dreaming 😂
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Post by Marc01 on May 24, 2024 19:42:34 GMT
Another brick in the wall of change . head of recruitment left , new one recruited , new keeper , resigned Steven’s and Thompson , safe standing , fan zone , Campbell gone , loan players gone back or Freed up , retained list issued and still a week to go in May .Still much more to come . “Wall of change”…. Is the Berlin Wall coming back too? If so, maybe you will be inspired to do a cover version …. “They want play ‘em this (John)… Put it on a tape… Put some music behind it or summat…”🙂
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Post by Olgrligm on May 24, 2024 19:44:40 GMT
So much for all of that stuff about a familiar name returning.
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Post by andystokey on May 24, 2024 20:08:47 GMT
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Post by baconburger on May 24, 2024 20:12:55 GMT
Anyone know anything about him… Well he’s not an ex colleague of Walters. Or his ex manager. But I’m sure someone will soon find a reason to wet their knickers and go full on conspiracy theory. Naah not from me. Don’t know anything about him but Hull did some high profile deals last season for players that were highly coveted and yes very relieved if it’s true that it’s not another Pulista.
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Post by cvillestokie on May 24, 2024 20:27:45 GMT
Some of the names on there are horrific though. I just want Jared back 😢 To be fair, if a list was put up for JD, it would include shite like Haks as well as the guy from Wolves that lasted all of seven seconds.
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on May 24, 2024 21:34:21 GMT
Another brick in the wall of change . head of recruitment left , new one recruited , new keeper , resigned Steven’s and Thompson , safe standing , fan zone , Campbell gone , loan players gone back or Freed up , retained list issued and still a week to go in May .Still much more to come . I don't know how to cope with this NEW positive Benji 😏
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Post by Olgrligm on May 24, 2024 22:38:26 GMT
Some of the names on there are horrific though. I just want Jared back 😢 To be fair, if a list was put up for JD, it would include shite like Haks as well as the guy from Wolves that lasted all of seven seconds. Looking at that list, it would include everyone that we signed, even what we might assume to be the Neil contingent. Most of the player scores in the article above are lousy (39 players, average mark 5.3) but if we did the same exercise for Dublin using the same criteria you'd probably get: Jun-ho - 10 Burger - 8 Mmaee - 4 Manhoef - 7 Leris - 5 Pearson - 5 Jojic - 1 Gooch - 6 Ennis - 4 Vidigal - 5 Johnson - 3 Rose - 6 Stevens - 7 Chiquinho - 1 Cundle - 6 Haksabanovic - 5 Hoever - 5 Iversen - 7 McNally - 6 Travers - 6 Clark - 2 Wesley - 2 Tchamadeu - 6 Which comes out as an average of 5.09, so pretty similar. Believe it or not, if you take out the (probable) Neil signings from that lot the average drops to 4.75. It's a rough exercise, don't come shouting at me if I've not been nice enough to anybody. I note that there's only one of those 39 Darnbrough signings that has come from abroad, incidentally. Have Hull broadened their horizons more recently? I couldn't honestly tell you anything about most of the teams in our league. They had Delap and Philogene last season, I'm struggling beyond that. I suppose the flip side of this is whether Dublin exclusively identified players from foreign leagues but lacked any domestic expertise? Somewhere in the middle would be nice...
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on May 24, 2024 22:44:43 GMT
To be fair, if a list was put up for JD, it would include shite like Haks as well as the guy from Wolves that lasted all of seven seconds. Looking at that list, it would include everyone that we signed, even what we might assume to be the Neil contingent. Most of the player scores in the article above are lousy (39 players, average mark 5.3) but if we did the same exercise for Dublin using the same criteria you'd probably get: Jun-ho - 10 Burger - 8 Mmaee - 4 Manhoef - 7 Leris - 5 Pearson - 5 Jojic - 1 Gooch - 6 Ennis - 4 Vidigal - 5 Johnson - 3 Rose - 6 Stevens - 7 Chiquinho - 1 Cundle - 6 Haksabanovic - 5 Hoever - 5 Iversen - 7 McNally - 6 Travers - 6 Clark - 2 Wesley - 2 Tchamadeu - 6 Which comes out as an average of 5.09, so pretty similar. Believe it or not, if you take out the (probable) Neil signings from that lot the average drops to 4.75. It's a rough exercise, don't come shouting at me if I've not been nice enough to anybody. I note that there's only one of those 39 Darnbrough signings that has come from abroad, incidentally. Have Hull broadened their horizons more recently? I couldn't honestly tell you anything about most of the teams in our league. They had Delap and Philogene last season, I'm struggling beyond that. I suppose the flip side of this is whether Dublin exclusively identified players from foreign leagues but lacked any domestic expertise? Somewhere in the middle would be nice... Seri and Tufan probably their better players I remember but not sure if he was behind them or how long have been there. Seri is Ivorian but not sure without checking where they signed him from.
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Post by stokiejoe89 on May 24, 2024 22:47:17 GMT
Looking at that list, it would include everyone that we signed, even what we might assume to be the Neil contingent. Most of the player scores in the article above are lousy (39 players, average mark 5.3) but if we did the same exercise for Dublin using the same criteria you'd probably get: Jun-ho - 10 Burger - 8 Mmaee - 4 Manhoef - 7 Leris - 5 Pearson - 5 Jojic - 1 Gooch - 6 Ennis - 4 Vidigal - 5 Johnson - 3 Rose - 6 Stevens - 7 Chiquinho - 1 Cundle - 6 Haksabanovic - 5 Hoever - 5 Iversen - 7 McNally - 6 Travers - 6 Clark - 2 Wesley - 2 Tchamadeu - 6 Which comes out as an average of 5.09, so pretty similar. Believe it or not, if you take out the (probable) Neil signings from that lot the average drops to 4.75. It's a rough exercise, don't come shouting at me if I've not been nice enough to anybody. I note that there's only one of those 39 Darnbrough signings that has come from abroad, incidentally. Have Hull broadened their horizons more recently? I couldn't honestly tell you anything about most of the teams in our league. They had Delap and Philogene last season, I'm struggling beyond that. I suppose the flip side of this is whether Dublin exclusively identified players from foreign leagues but lacked any domestic expertise? Somewhere in the middle would be nice... Seri and Tufan probably their better players I remember but not sure if he was behind them or how long have been there. Seri is Ivorian but not sure without checking where they signed him from. They got Seri from Fulham Tufan came from Fernabache (via a loan at Watford)
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Post by cheadlestokie on May 24, 2024 23:31:22 GMT
Seriously underwhelmed by this guy
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 24, 2024 23:45:44 GMT
To be fair, if a list was put up for JD, it would include shite like Haks as well as the guy from Wolves that lasted all of seven seconds. Looking at that list, it would include everyone that we signed, even what we might assume to be the Neil contingent. Most of the player scores in the article above are lousy (39 players, average mark 5.3) but if we did the same exercise for Dublin using the same criteria you'd probably get: Jun-ho - 10 Burger - 8 Mmaee - 4 Manhoef - 7 Leris - 5 Pearson - 5 Jojic - 1 Gooch - 6 Ennis - 4 Vidigal - 5 Johnson - 3 Rose - 6 Stevens - 7 Chiquinho - 1 Cundle - 6 Haksabanovic - 5 Hoever - 5 Iversen - 7 McNally - 6 Travers - 6 Clark - 2 Wesley - 2 Tchamadeu - 6 Which comes out as an average of 5.09, so pretty similar. Believe it or not, if you take out the (probable) Neil signings from that lot the average drops to 4.75. It's a rough exercise, don't come shouting at me if I've not been nice enough to anybody.I note that there's only one of those 39 Darnbrough signings that has come from abroad, incidentally. Have Hull broadened their horizons more recently? I couldn't honestly tell you anything about most of the teams in our league. They had Delap and Philogene last season, I'm struggling beyond that. I suppose the flip side of this is whether Dublin exclusively identified players from foreign leagues but lacked any domestic expertise? Somewhere in the middle would be nice...
FWIW, I think you're pretty much bang on with those ratings.
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Post by stokiejoe89 on May 24, 2024 23:54:16 GMT
Seriously underwhelmed by this guy Who did you expect? 🤔🤔
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 25, 2024 0:16:55 GMT
To be fair, if a list was put up for JD, it would include shite like Haks as well as the guy from Wolves that lasted all of seven seconds. Looking at that list, it would include everyone that we signed, even what we might assume to be the Neil contingent. Most of the player scores in the article above are lousy (39 players, average mark 5.3) but if we did the same exercise for Dublin using the same criteria you'd probably get: Jun-ho - 10 Burger - 8 Mmaee - 4 Manhoef - 7 Leris - 5 Pearson - 5 Jojic - 1 Gooch - 6 Ennis - 4 Vidigal - 5 Johnson - 3 Rose - 6 Stevens - 7 Chiquinho - 1 Cundle - 6 Haksabanovic - 5 Hoever - 5 Iversen - 7 McNally - 6 Travers - 6 Clark - 2 Wesley - 2 Tchamadeu - 6 Which comes out as an average of 5.09, so pretty similar. Believe it or not, if you take out the (probable) Neil signings from that lot the average drops to 4.75. It's a rough exercise, don't come shouting at me if I've not been nice enough to anybody. I note that there's only one of those 39 Darnbrough signings that has come from abroad, incidentally. Have Hull broadened their horizons more recently? I couldn't honestly tell you anything about most of the teams in our league. They had Delap and Philogene last season, I'm struggling beyond that. I suppose the flip side of this is whether Dublin exclusively identified players from foreign leagues but lacked any domestic expertise? Somewhere in the middle would be nice... Pretty spot on though I’d go Jun-ho - 9 What a player. He’ll be even better next season Burger - 9 Best all round CM since we’ve gone down Mmaee - 6 I like him. Needs to get his attitude right though Manhoef - 8 Cracking player. Shame we only saw him at the end of the season. Better end product than anyone else at the club Leris - 6 Works hard but lacks technical ability Pearson - 6 Didn’t look fit most of the season Jojic - 1 Looks like a bust Gooch - 6 Good squad player Ennis - 3 Trier but not good enough at this level. Stunk of desperation Vidigal - 5 Not sure what happened after the injury. Still hope we can get back the early season version Johnson - 3 Dissapointed. I thought he was better than what we saw Rose - 6 OK no better no worse Stevens - 7 When fit he’s a good player Chiquinho - 1 no idea what happened Cundle - 7 Hope we get him back. Really looked the part after a poor start Haksabanovic - 4 No real impact Hoever - 7 I like him Iversen - 7 Improved a lot though his kicking was poor. I’m happier with our new man McNally - 6 Decent but looked clumsy at times Travers - 7 Thought he was solid. Clark - 1 Waste of a signing Wesley - 2 Very poor signing Tchamadeu - 6 Looks a unit though the jury’s out for me. He has the ability just needs to do it consistently
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Post by clarkeda on May 25, 2024 5:23:00 GMT
Some of the names on there are horrific though. I just want Jared back 😢 To be fair, if a list was put up for JD, it would include shite like Haks as well as the guy from Wolves that lasted all of seven seconds. Yeah and Johnson. That’s fair I suppose. I just feel like Jared was out with the bath water. Obviously none of us know his exact role or the part he played in identifying them. But I always found he had good knowledge of the player in question (even if we know there was questionable character). There was always going to be some misses last year due to the volume of players and the time we had to bring them in. But, for me, Mmaee is the only real blot on Jared’s copy book. Although I think he’s a good player a quick google search tells you about an attitude, in a strong dressing room that’s not a problem but in one that’s not even formed yet it’s not good. Edit - Oh and jojic. Shows everything that I forgot he exists.
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Post by clarkeda on May 25, 2024 5:24:41 GMT
To be fair, if a list was put up for JD, it would include shite like Haks as well as the guy from Wolves that lasted all of seven seconds. Looking at that list, it would include everyone that we signed, even what we might assume to be the Neil contingent. Most of the player scores in the article above are lousy (39 players, average mark 5.3) but if we did the same exercise for Dublin using the same criteria you'd probably get: Jun-ho - 10 Burger - 8 Mmaee - 4 Manhoef - 7 Leris - 5 Pearson - 5 Jojic - 1 Gooch - 6 Ennis - 4 Vidigal - 5 Johnson - 3 Rose - 6 Stevens - 7 Chiquinho - 1 Cundle - 6 Haksabanovic - 5 Hoever - 5 Iversen - 7 McNally - 6 Travers - 6 Clark - 2 Wesley - 2 Tchamadeu - 6 Which comes out as an average of 5.09, so pretty similar. Believe it or not, if you take out the (probable) Neil signings from that lot the average drops to 4.75. It's a rough exercise, don't come shouting at me if I've not been nice enough to anybody. I note that there's only one of those 39 Darnbrough signings that has come from abroad, incidentally. Have Hull broadened their horizons more recently? I couldn't honestly tell you anything about most of the teams in our league. They had Delap and Philogene last season, I'm struggling beyond that. I suppose the flip side of this is whether Dublin exclusively identified players from foreign leagues but lacked any domestic expertise? Somewhere in the middle would be nice... Last sentence, Have both. New person - local markets, UK& EU Jared doing international/ ROW
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Post by clarkeda on May 25, 2024 5:24:58 GMT
Looking at that list, it would include everyone that we signed, even what we might assume to be the Neil contingent. Most of the player scores in the article above are lousy (39 players, average mark 5.3) but if we did the same exercise for Dublin using the same criteria you'd probably get: Jun-ho - 10 Burger - 8 Mmaee - 4 Manhoef - 7 Leris - 5 Pearson - 5 Jojic - 1 Gooch - 6 Ennis - 4 Vidigal - 5 Johnson - 3 Rose - 6 Stevens - 7 Chiquinho - 1 Cundle - 6 Haksabanovic - 5 Hoever - 5 Iversen - 7 McNally - 6 Travers - 6 Clark - 2 Wesley - 2 Tchamadeu - 6 Which comes out as an average of 5.09, so pretty similar. Believe it or not, if you take out the (probable) Neil signings from that lot the average drops to 4.75. It's a rough exercise, don't come shouting at me if I've not been nice enough to anybody. I note that there's only one of those 39 Darnbrough signings that has come from abroad, incidentally. Have Hull broadened their horizons more recently? I couldn't honestly tell you anything about most of the teams in our league. They had Delap and Philogene last season, I'm struggling beyond that. I suppose the flip side of this is whether Dublin exclusively identified players from foreign leagues but lacked any domestic expertise? Somewhere in the middle would be nice... Seri and Tufan probably their better players I remember but not sure if he was behind them or how long have been there. Seri is Ivorian but not sure without checking where they signed him from. Fulham
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Post by theonlooker on May 25, 2024 6:30:58 GMT
To be fair, if a list was put up for JD, it would include shite like Haks as well as the guy from Wolves that lasted all of seven seconds. Looking at that list, it would include everyone that we signed, even what we might assume to be the Neil contingent. Most of the player scores in the article above are lousy (39 players, average mark 5.3) but if we did the same exercise for Dublin using the same criteria you'd probably get: Jun-ho - 10 Burger - 8 Mmaee - 4 Manhoef - 7 Leris - 5 Pearson - 5 Jojic - 1 Gooch - 6 Ennis - 4 Vidigal - 5 Johnson - 3 Rose - 6 Stevens - 7 Chiquinho - 1 Cundle - 6 Haksabanovic - 5 Hoever - 5 Iversen - 7 McNally - 6 Travers - 6 Clark - 2 Wesley - 2 Tchamadeu - 6 Which comes out as an average of 5.09, so pretty similar. Believe it or not, if you take out the (probable) Neil signings from that lot the average drops to 4.75. It's a rough exercise, don't come shouting at me if I've not been nice enough to anybody. I note that there's only one of those 39 Darnbrough signings that has come from abroad, incidentally. Have Hull broadened their horizons more recently? I couldn't honestly tell you anything about most of the teams in our league. They had Delap and Philogene last season, I'm struggling beyond that. I suppose the flip side of this is whether Dublin exclusively identified players from foreign leagues but lacked any domestic expertise? Somewhere in the middle would be nice... There is another way of looking at it other than ranking by numbers. Jared has given us 3 players within a calendar year that we can turn a profit on quite easily, and you'd expect quite a big profit on all three if managed right. At Hull, Darnbrough was involved in over 100 incoming transfers and to date they have turned a profit on just 2 players (source - transfermarkt). The issue as always with assessing these people is that you never know who had the final say, and what the other options were and who chose what etc. along with dodgy website valuations...
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Post by drippinggoatsnob on May 25, 2024 6:31:21 GMT
Seriously underwhelmed by this guy I've honestly to see anyone who raves about recruitment. There will always be hits and misses. I saw a list of players the other day who were young (generally South Americans) at Brighton who had failed. I'm not saying the Brighton model is flawed just that any team can get it wrong. The most important part is that there is a cohesive relationship between those involved in the process. That way it's a collective celebration or fail.
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Post by gingerninja on May 25, 2024 6:46:29 GMT
One random message suggesting this is our man and everybody suddenly thinks that's it, end of story, it could quite easily not be true and our process continues.
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Post by RF10 on May 25, 2024 7:10:16 GMT
Seriously underwhelmed by this guy I've honestly to see anyone who raves about recruitment. There will always be hits and misses. I saw a list of players the other day who were young (generally South Americans) at Brighton who had failed. I'm not saying the Brighton model is flawed just that any team can get it wrong. The most important part is that there is a cohesive relationship between those involved in the process. That way it's a collective celebration or fail. Absolutely but the key as onlooker said above is getting the gems. If you can get 1/2 per season I think that's a success providing the rest aren't absolute garbage. You can the sell them on when time comes and by that point you've got the next ones in the door so impact is less. For me Jared with Manhoef, Bae, Burger as instant impact was a massive success. We've still got players he bought in within squad who could develop such as Junior and Mmaee.
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Post by foxysgloves on May 25, 2024 7:28:31 GMT
Seriously underwhelmed by this guy Agreed. However if he has a decent season history on Football Manager (we’re talking Stoke to Champions League in 5 seasons or under here) then I’ll get excited.
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Post by Olgrligm on May 25, 2024 7:54:34 GMT
Looking at that list, it would include everyone that we signed, even what we might assume to be the Neil contingent. Most of the player scores in the article above are lousy (39 players, average mark 5.3) but if we did the same exercise for Dublin using the same criteria you'd probably get: Jun-ho - 10 Burger - 8 Mmaee - 4 Manhoef - 7 Leris - 5 Pearson - 5 Jojic - 1 Gooch - 6 Ennis - 4 Vidigal - 5 Johnson - 3 Rose - 6 Stevens - 7 Chiquinho - 1 Cundle - 6 Haksabanovic - 5 Hoever - 5 Iversen - 7 McNally - 6 Travers - 6 Clark - 2 Wesley - 2 Tchamadeu - 6 Which comes out as an average of 5.09, so pretty similar. Believe it or not, if you take out the (probable) Neil signings from that lot the average drops to 4.75. It's a rough exercise, don't come shouting at me if I've not been nice enough to anybody. I note that there's only one of those 39 Darnbrough signings that has come from abroad, incidentally. Have Hull broadened their horizons more recently? I couldn't honestly tell you anything about most of the teams in our league. They had Delap and Philogene last season, I'm struggling beyond that. I suppose the flip side of this is whether Dublin exclusively identified players from foreign leagues but lacked any domestic expertise? Somewhere in the middle would be nice... There is another way of looking at it other than ranking by numbers. Jared has given us 3 players within a calendar year that we can turn a profit on quite easily, and you'd expect quite a big profit on all three if managed right. At Hull, Darnbrough was involved in over 100 incoming transfers and to date they have turned a profit on just 2 players (source - transfermarkt). The issue as always with assessing these people is that you never know who had the final say, and what the other options were and who chose what etc. along with dodgy website valuations... Yeah, that's fair. I suppose ideally we'd have somebody who is good at identifying there here and now players for the spine - where we failed last summer - and can still unearth riskier potential superstars. As you say, though, there's a lot we don't know. Perhaps Dublin brought some of the foreign market knowledge in with other scouts who are still at the club?
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Post by baconburger on May 25, 2024 8:05:34 GMT
Seriously underwhelmed by this guy I've honestly to see anyone who raves about recruitment. There will always be hits and misses. I saw a list of players the other day who were young (generally South Americans) at Brighton who had failed. I'm not saying the Brighton model is flawed just that any team can get it wrong. The most important part is that there is a cohesive relationship between those involved in the process. That way it's a collective celebration or fail. Any recruitment model will do very well to achieve much over 50% success rate. The important thing with speculative player trading is the contracts not being so lucrative or long that the players will be content to just sit on them if they’re not making the grade. It’s easier for a club in our position than it is for a club in Brightons current position to achieve that as obviously being a premier league club bring with it a higher wage expectation to go along with the bigger draw. Some posters just don’t get it or understand that deals for the likes of Jogic amount to peanuts spread over the length of his contract. They see the headline fee which you can divide by 4/5 and his wages which are probably a similar fraction of that of an established pro and they try to make out it’s some sort of major failure instead of what you should expect when investing in potential considerably more than 50% of the time.
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Post by cheadlestokie on May 25, 2024 9:13:41 GMT
Seriously underwhelmed by this guy Who did you expect? 🤔🤔 I did not expect anyone as such. I just look at the Hull squad and I am not particularly impressed by it.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 25, 2024 9:54:48 GMT
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Post by lordb on May 25, 2024 10:01:33 GMT
I did not expect anyone as such. I just look at the Hull squad and I am not particularly impressed by it. Is their squad better than before he joined? The answer is yes How much is down to him?
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Post by banksy1art on May 25, 2024 10:04:02 GMT
Seems good to me
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Post by cheadlestokie on May 25, 2024 10:04:08 GMT
I did not expect anyone as such. I just look at the Hull squad and I am not particularly impressed by it. Is their squad better than before he joined? The answer is yes How much is down to him? Presumably better because of their league position but still not particularly impressive in my opinion for what that is worth .
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