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Post by lordb on Sept 1, 2024 19:22:12 GMT
The Plymouth result was a relief for us all. The team was energetic and young. We've lost against two good teams and beat two struggling sides. The game is still too open and we have a Swiss cheese midfield but good signs of progress with the FBs and the craft in the final 3rd. Coventry are one of the sides fancied to make the play offs
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Post by peterthornesboots on Sept 1, 2024 20:00:02 GMT
We have a young manager who is building (or trying to build) a young and exciting team.
The manager will make mistakes.
The players will make mistakes.
I just hope that we all show a little patience. Let's see how things develop. Give the manager and players time.
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Post by tuum on Sept 2, 2024 0:18:00 GMT
Take it from me i was there my , unfortunately Gooch Junior Laurent and Thompson were ineffective which created an overload on the rest of the team. Your comments would have been interesting reading if both of the shots from Koumas had not hit the post. As SJW has clearly said there will be ups and downs unfortunately you and your short sighted moaners please look at the long term not just the 90 mins you have just watched. Well done Shuey & SJW People need to stop banging on about the 2 shots that hit the post. If you want to count chances that didn't go in but should have or may have then we probably would have lost 3-5. WBA missed good chances as well.
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Post by mtrstudent on Sept 2, 2024 2:56:37 GMT
As much as I like the younger players I'd like a couple of experience pros in the 25-28 range for players to lean on in games and off the field. Just my thoughts so far of this season. How many & what sort would you bring in? Gibson seems like a steady head and Thompson's a decent pro although he loses his head a bit too much to be a good role model.
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Post by Waggy on Sept 2, 2024 4:09:14 GMT
We have a young manager who is building (or trying to build) a young and exciting team. The manager will make mistakes. The players will make mistakes. I just hope that we all show a little patience. Let's see how things develop. Give the manager and players time. He is the only manager to come here since relegation that has a vision of how he wants to play. To go from doom and gloom with top tap at the back football then lose possession ( practically falling asleep football) to seeing an energetic style with players looking like they care is great to see.
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Post by ceejays on Sept 2, 2024 5:31:53 GMT
Ok remember the January window ? We were all crying out to buy a left back . We then bought Manhoef to everyone’s dismay . I questioned his physicality after all he was a midget . So give credit where it’s due and SS was ahead of the game . I’m still a sort of Jared man as he unearthed this gem along with Junho burger and bocat . SS now needs us to give him time . He will overthink things at times and make mistakes but who doesn’t ? Oh I know BO
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Post by premieraj on Sept 2, 2024 7:18:17 GMT
Ok remember the January window ? We were all crying out to buy a left back . We then bought Manhoef to everyone’s dismay . I questioned his physicality after all he was a midget . So give credit where it’s due and SS was ahead of the game . I’m still a sort of Jared man as he unearthed this gem along with Junho burger and bocat . SS now needs us to give him time . He will overthink things at times and make mistakes but who doesn’t ? Oh I know BO I really do wonder what went on with Jared? I guess we will never know?
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Post by greenhoff on Sept 2, 2024 7:49:46 GMT
I remain unconvinced. Play that midfield against the majority of the league and you lose the game. We have the basis of a really good team. I’m really not sure SS has the experience or tactical acumen to get them challenging at the right end of the table
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Post by baconburger on Sept 2, 2024 8:02:43 GMT
The way he does things often doesn’t make much sense to me but I still value him quite preciously. It’s been a rarity in my Stoke supporting life for us to have an attacking coach/manager so I want him to stay a long time. I also fear the next one won’t have the same attacking instincts so I’ll put up with his quirks even if they’re driving me mad at times.
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Post by jordan2009 on Sept 2, 2024 8:02:43 GMT
At the fans forum someone asked what does/will progression look like thos season. All three virtually gave the same answer, top half finish. The verdict for me shouldn't be just on SS. They come has a team/group. From SS and SJW to all involved in the recruitment. It's going take at least another couple of windows to get what we need to push us into playoff contention
For now it's exciting, give me young energetic players any day of the week.
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Post by drippinggoatsnob on Sept 2, 2024 8:05:21 GMT
The Plymouth result was a relief for us all. The team was energetic and young. We've lost against two good teams and beat two struggling sides. The game is still too open and we have a Swiss cheese midfield but good signs of progress with the FBs and the craft in the final 3rd. Coventry are one of the sides fancied to make the play offs Have you seen their fans on twitter. Some want Robins out already... 😂 It's been a slow start for them but I agree they are likely to be up there.
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Post by baconburger on Sept 2, 2024 8:15:09 GMT
The Plymouth result was a relief for us all. The team was energetic and young. We've lost against two good teams and beat two struggling sides. The game is still too open and we have a Swiss cheese midfield but good signs of progress with the FBs and the craft in the final 3rd. Coventry are one of the sides fancied to make the play offs I think they also have the biggest net spend in the region of £15M. Not much in the way of significant net spends in the championship at all. Maybe the allure of the premier league’s £100M a season or whatever it is nowadays is not as attractive. Don’t think anyone in the championship has been particularly creative at circumventing FFP like we’ve seen in the prem with inflated value transfers of players with zero value on the books. Must admit I’m kind of puzzled why more haven’t used the loophole before it is inevitably closed.
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Post by baconburger on Sept 2, 2024 8:20:25 GMT
Coventry are one of the sides fancied to make the play offs Have you seen their fans on twitter. Some want Robins out already... 😂 It's been a slow start for them but I agree they are likely to be up there. They do seem to be annual slow starters. Why fans would want a knee jerk reaction to it kind of shows the stupidity of some of their fans more than anything else. Perhaps they think challenging for the playoffs is easy.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Sept 2, 2024 8:27:18 GMT
I remain unconvinced. Play that midfield against the majority of the league and you lose the game. We have the basis of a really good team. I’m really not sure SS has the experience or tactical acumen to get them challenging at the right end of the table That’s a bit contradictory though isn’t it? He’s played that midfield against the worst team in the league and got 3 points. So you’re having a go at him for a made up scenario really.
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Post by apb1 on Sept 2, 2024 8:32:23 GMT
He's pretty much got all the tools he wanted now to play the way he wants. I think he'll make mistakes, but he'll be adventurous. A lot depends on Cannon. If he is a Sheron signing rather than a Vokes, we are in business. 15 goals from a striker with Manhoef, Koumas and (maybe) Bae chipping in with 8-10 would put us right up in contention you'd think. We'd still need (og) to chip in with a few of course.
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Post by stokeymad on Sept 2, 2024 8:33:29 GMT
I like the guy.
Yes, his tactics have cost us games at times, but at others, they've won us games as well.
The players seem to really respect him.
He does strike me as a glass cannon type of guy, he will try something and it will either work really, really well or go spectacularly wrong.
But after the shambles we've had coming through the door since TP (MON aside) I think he is the most exciting and most deserving of time.
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Post by baconburger on Sept 2, 2024 8:34:44 GMT
I remain unconvinced. Play that midfield against the majority of the league and you lose the game. We have the basis of a really good team. I’m really not sure SS has the experience or tactical acumen to get them challenging at the right end of the table That’s a bit contradictory though isn’t it? He’s played that midfield against the worst team in the league and got 3 points. So you’re having a go at him for a made up scenario really. I was all for it personally not that I agree with that balance in midfield but if you’re going to play two thirds of your midfield in advanced positions at least play players who can be effective in those positions. I’d still be playing Sidibe Burger and Moran in a 2:1 midfield but acknowledge that leads to difficult choices further forward once Cannon is available.
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Post by greenhoff on Sept 2, 2024 9:20:28 GMT
I remain unconvinced. Play that midfield against the majority of the league and you lose the game. We have the basis of a really good team. I’m really not sure SS has the experience or tactical acumen to get them challenging at the right end of the table That’s a bit contradictory though isn’t it? He’s played that midfield against the worst team in the league and got 3 points. So you’re having a go at him for a made up scenario really. The worst team in the league still played through us far too easily though didn’t they? I just think it’s a bit naive at this level. As I said I remain unconvinced. He has lots of really good players now! Let’s see how he does
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 2, 2024 9:42:38 GMT
As much as I like the younger players I'd like a couple of experience pros in the 25-28 range for players to lean on in games and off the field. Just my thoughts so far of this season. How many & what sort would you bring in? Gibson seems like a steady head and Thompson's a decent pro although he loses his head a bit too much to be a good role model. And we managed without either v Middlesborough and most of the match v Plymouth. Wilmot is very experienced for his age and we have some very calm youngsters in Junho, Million, Phillips and Bocat. We have enough old heads, especially when Pearson, Stevenis, Rose and Gallagher are fit, to use them as and when necessary. I don't think we'll see a settled side this season. We finally have enough options to choose a team to suit the match and not to flog any player like we did Junho (though he showed no sign of being overplayed) because we don't have any other option. We've had a very shrewd window. Cannon coming here was the icing but although our squad wouldn't have looked as strong without him, Koumas shows every sign of being able to play in Cannon's role
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Post by silsdenstokie on Sept 2, 2024 9:59:26 GMT
Hes got the tools now so its up to him to make it work
I like him and Ive every confidence in him. Not expecting too much to soon, just steady progress
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Post by chiswickpotter on Sept 2, 2024 10:24:23 GMT
I remain unconvinced. Play that midfield against the majority of the league and you lose the game. We have the basis of a really good team. I’m really not sure SS has the experience or tactical acumen to get them challenging at the right end of the table I don't know what to think. Watford and WBA were awful managerial efforts. Saturday was a brave or a naive or most probably a forced selection due to injuries in midfield. We do look too open for a league where many teams are skilled at sitting deep and waiting. He has a decent defence (I worry about RB), and the best attacking options since the PL. Can he solve the midfield conundrum and find the right balance between creativity and solidity? I don't know partly because his coaching to date has been hit and miss, partly because Lawal, Seko, Sidibe and Moran are so new and partly because Burger and Pearson have had such swings in form in their time at the club. It is really hard to call.
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Post by moon on Sept 2, 2024 10:24:53 GMT
Perhaps we can rename this thread to Schumacher? I'm not sure we need a "verdict" every week. From my perspective, he's here for the season at least (unless we're in the bottom 3 after 15-20 games) and I hope he is here many years beyond that.
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Post by marcofstoke on Sept 2, 2024 10:32:43 GMT
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Post by staffordstokiemad1 on Sept 2, 2024 10:34:55 GMT
He’s clearly building a young squad for now and for the future, it’s an exiting time to be a Stoke fan, it’s important not to over react after results like Watford because Im convinced this season we will then see a couple of good results afterwards.
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Post by senojbor on Sept 2, 2024 10:43:10 GMT
SS has been here 8 months, 2 of those close season, so still very early to form a definitive view.
When he came we had just lost at home to Sheff Wednesday who were rock bottom. I knew before the game we would lose because AN was picking the wrong players. He was picking likes of Dwight Gayle. Not Dwight's fault but coming up to 33 he clearly had gone. SS inherited a poor team that lacked confidence.
The run in last season was excellent and apart from a bad day at Watford it's carrying on. I'm optimistic that we've turned the corner now with these young players
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Post by OldStokie on Sept 2, 2024 11:34:36 GMT
The only time I've doubted him was the Baggies game where his initial setup was rubbish and his substitutions were bizzare. I suppose we can put that one down to one of the (and I'm sure there'll be more) mistakes he's going to make while he builds his own team.
OS.
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Post by march4 on Sept 2, 2024 11:36:19 GMT
The tipping point is no longer a consideration.
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Post by skip on Sept 2, 2024 14:00:45 GMT
The tipping point is no longer a consideration. A wet duck only flies at midnight. <taps nose>
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Post by cheadlepotter on Sept 2, 2024 14:07:16 GMT
The only time I've doubted him was the Baggies game where his initial setup was rubbish and his substitutions were bizzare. I suppose we can put that one down to one of the (and I'm sure there'll be more) mistakes he's going to make while he builds his own team. OS. It wasn’t the best but on another day at least one of those two that hit the post, or Manhoef’s follow up, go in. Then who knows what the result might have been. And to be fair to the manager, I don’t think many of us were too chuffed to see Ennis replace Tezgel vs Coventry, then Ennis helps with the build up to the goal. The subs vs Plymouth were heavily criticised on here too, we went on to win the game. I know it’s the hope that kills you but this season feels different. I’m still far from convinced that inverted full backs are the way with the quality of player in this division but let’s see.
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Post by lordb on Sept 2, 2024 14:18:24 GMT
The only time I've doubted him was the Baggies game where his initial setup was rubbish and his substitutions were bizzare. I suppose we can put that one down to one of the (and I'm sure there'll be more) mistakes he's going to make while he builds his own team. OS. It wasn’t the best but on another day at least one of those two that hit the post, or Manhoef’s follow up, go in. Then who knows what the result might have been. And to be fair to the manager, I don’t think many of us were too chuffed to see Ennis replace Tezgel vs Coventry, then Ennis helps with the build up to the goal. The subs vs Plymouth were heavily criticised on here too, we went on to win the game. I know it’s the hope that kills you but this season feels different. I’m still far from convinced that inverted full backs are the way with the quality of player in this division but let’s see. I don't think we play with inverted full backs would be interested to see heat maps for our full backs compared to say Rico Lewis at Man City who very does play as an inverted fullback I do think the fullbacks tuck in closer to their CB when defending which isn't the same as inverted
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