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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2024 18:06:18 GMT
The 'issue' if you want to call it that with Schumacher, and any manager from the lower leagues that have overachieved with a lower budget (as Jones did with Luton) is that they normally have a system of play that is very different than the rest which has enabled them to overachieve. With Jones it was the diamond and with Schumacher it was the narrow 3-4-3 or 4-3-3 with inverted full backs. I often scratched my head with Jones as to why players in the lower leagues could adopt that system yet players at our level couldn't but the truth I think is probably more that they wouldn't rather than couldn't. When you think about it - at that level players are generally going nowhere fast and when you get a group of youngish lads together or misfits at the last chance saloon and a coach that is starting to get results it sometimes just gains traction and builds from there. Wilder at Sheffield United is a great example too with his overlapping centre backs in a 3-5-2. He started it in league one with a bunch of misfits at the last chance saloon and it just built from there. He failed at Watford and Boro where he hadn't got that gravitas with players and hadn't already taken them on a journey - in short he was just another number. You could argue McKenna is going to be the same at Ipswich but time will tell on that one. Quite what the conclusion is from this rambling post with regards to Schumacher here I don't know but maybe we are just overthinking everything here and maybe with certain managers and certain situations it just clicks? Part of Schumacher’s problem is going to be that “the players” launched a coup against his methods last season and we’ve had no significant movements out. I’d be want the most vocal of that out the door ASAP but there again I don’t think it ever happens if they don’t think they’ve got the ear of the TD/SD. Sadly I think it’s only a matter of the timing from here on in. Did they really do that? Where's that from?
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Post by baconburger on Aug 26, 2024 18:15:14 GMT
Part of Schumacher’s problem is going to be that “the players” launched a coup against his methods last season and we’ve had no significant movements out. I’d be want the most vocal of that out the door ASAP but there again I don’t think it ever happens if they don’t think they’ve got the ear of the TD/SD. Sadly I think it’s only a matter of the timing from here on in. Did they really do that? Where's that from? From his own mouth. He laid out what happened and confessed he hated it. They had a squad meeting after a pretty horrible run of results and the players expressed that they thought they needed to play the risk adverse percentage football we played from then onwards that bought mixed results but enough to get us out of the bottom three before he returned to the sort of football he’s known for and we might have expected to see from a team of his in the last 3 games starting with Plymouth at home. I just don’t think that happens unless those players are emboldened by the knowledge they have the ear of the TD/SD and lo and behold we’ve not really been able to move them on. Who the main players were I’ve no idea but I’d want them out the door ASAP if I were him.
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Post by onepara on Aug 26, 2024 18:30:09 GMT
Did they really do that? Where's that from? From his own mouth. He laid out what happened and confessed he hated it. They had a squad meeting after a pretty horrible run of results and the players expressed that they thought they needed to play the risk adverse percentage football we played from then onwards that bought mixed results but enough to get us out of the bottom three before he returned to the sort of football he’s known for and we might have expected to see from a team of his in the last 3 games starting with Plymouth at home. I just don’t think that happens unless those players are emboldened by the knowledge they have the ear of the TD/SD and lo and behold we’ve not really been able to move them on. Who the main players were I’ve no idea but I’d want them out the door ASAP if I were him. So that's what you think. So it's all conjecture on your part.
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Post by baconburger on Aug 26, 2024 18:35:57 GMT
From his own mouth. He laid out what happened and confessed he hated it. They had a squad meeting after a pretty horrible run of results and the players expressed that they thought they needed to play the risk adverse percentage football we played from then onwards that bought mixed results but enough to get us out of the bottom three before he returned to the sort of football he’s known for and we might have expected to see from a team of his in the last 3 games starting with Plymouth at home. I just don’t think that happens unless those players are emboldened by the knowledge they have the ear of the TD/SD and lo and behold we’ve not really been able to move them on. Who the main players were I’ve no idea but I’d want them out the door ASAP if I were him. So that's what you think. So it's all conjecture on your part. I don’t think we get into conjecture territory until about two thirds of the way down the post. The first two thirds is on the record. What’s wrong with conjecture or does this particular conjecture just not suit you. If you want news read a newspaper . If you want bullshit presented as facts manipulated to suit your view watch GB News.
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Post by onepara on Aug 26, 2024 18:52:13 GMT
I just read your posts for BS.
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Post by baconburger on Aug 26, 2024 19:55:59 GMT
I just read your posts for BS. Never mind I’d be more worried if you agreed with them🤣
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Post by smallthorner on Aug 26, 2024 20:08:24 GMT
The verdict?
Glass half full for me at the moment.
This week's activities and Saturday will answer a few questions.
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Post by ceejays on Aug 27, 2024 8:09:32 GMT
From his own mouth. He laid out what happened and confessed he hated it. They had a squad meeting after a pretty horrible run of results and the players expressed that they thought they needed to play the risk adverse percentage football we played from then onwards that bought mixed results but enough to get us out of the bottom three before he returned to the sort of football he’s known for and we might have expected to see from a team of his in the last 3 games starting with Plymouth at home. I just don’t think that happens unless those players are emboldened by the knowledge they have the ear of the TD/SD and lo and behold we’ve not really been able to move them on. Who the main players were I’ve no idea but I’d want them out the door ASAP if I were him. So that's what you think. So it's all conjecture on your part. Not conjecture at all . He went on to explain that they cold shouldered Cundle . Wouldn’t pass to him . So he rested him. Cundle didn’t sulk. Just got his head down . Then after he had scored at Sheffield he was accepted . Those that rebelled are still with us . Let’s see how many are loaned or sold come Friday . Did you not see Baker on Saturday just shoot from ridiculous positions? Like a spoiled brat . His last temper tantrum I’m guessing. And the others ? Doesn’t take much working out
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Post by J-Roar on Aug 27, 2024 8:14:52 GMT
So that's what you think. So it's all conjecture on your part. Not conjecture at all . He went on to explain that they cold shouldered Cundle . Wouldn’t pass to him . So he rested him. Cundle didn’t sulk. Just got his head down . Then after he had scored at Sheffield he was accepted . Those that rebelled are still with us . Let’s see how many are loaned or sold come Friday . Did you not see Baker on Saturday just shoot from ridiculous positions? Like a spoiled brat . His last temper tantrum I’m guessing. And the others ? Doesn’t take much working out I like Baker but it was embarrassing on Saturday. Clearly either been told he's leaving or desperately want to move. The only time I can remember such sabotage was Pennant deliberately losing us the match against Everton.
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Post by baconburger on Aug 27, 2024 8:20:29 GMT
So that's what you think. So it's all conjecture on your part. Not conjecture at all . He went on to explain that they cold shouldered Cundle . Wouldn’t pass to him . So he rested him. Cundle didn’t sulk. Just got his head down . Then after he had scored at Sheffield he was accepted . Those that rebelled are still with us . Let’s see how many are loaned or sold come Friday . Did you not see Baker on Saturday just shoot from ridiculous positions? Like a spoiled brat . His last temper tantrum I’m guessing. And the others ? Doesn’t take much working out Interesting theory I’ve absolutely no idea who the most vociferous players were against Schu’s style of play last season but I definitely haven’t seen much determination to get them out of the club ASAP at almost any cost. If Baker was one I can’t see why we haven’t just given him a free there is not FFP value on him to lose.
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Post by nott1 on Aug 27, 2024 8:21:10 GMT
We are no better for many of his signing except possibly Koumas, Waiting to see what Lawal can do!
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Post by nott1 on Aug 27, 2024 8:26:06 GMT
So that's what you think. So it's all conjecture on your part. Not conjecture at all . He went on to explain that they cold shouldered Cundle . Wouldn’t pass to him . So he rested him. Cundle didn’t sulk. Just got his head down . Then after he had scored at Sheffield he was accepted . Those that rebelled are still with us . Let’s see how many are loaned or sold come Friday . Did you not see Baker on Saturday just shoot from ridiculous positions? Like a spoiled brat . His last temper tantrum I’m guessing. And the others ? Doesn’t take much working out Baker has been treated like shit despite being our only midfield goal threat and spot kick expert, so what's the reason?
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Post by baconburger on Aug 27, 2024 8:28:11 GMT
We are no better for many of his signing except possibly Koumas, Waiting to see what Lawal can do! Who is he meant to be? It’s clear as day that Schumacher is not signing the players. There are things that can quite rightly be laid at his door but that just isn’t one of them. They need to pull a rabbit out of the hat in the next few days because if they’ve blown the budget without adding much in the way of goals they deserve every bit of criticism they receive. Unfortunately too many like yourself will jump on Schumacher’s back rather than the people who are meant to be bringing in the players and just as importantly getting them out.
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Post by baconburger on Aug 27, 2024 8:30:34 GMT
Not conjecture at all . He went on to explain that they cold shouldered Cundle . Wouldn’t pass to him . So he rested him. Cundle didn’t sulk. Just got his head down . Then after he had scored at Sheffield he was accepted . Those that rebelled are still with us . Let’s see how many are loaned or sold come Friday . Did you not see Baker on Saturday just shoot from ridiculous positions? Like a spoiled brat . His last temper tantrum I’m guessing. And the others ? Doesn’t take much working out Baker has been treated like shit despite being our only midfield goal threat and spot kick expert, so what's the reason? Pretty simple he plays with the intensity and speed of a tortoise.
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Post by idle on Aug 27, 2024 10:01:32 GMT
Exactly the same thing was said about NJ, MON and AN. And not just at the end of their tenures. FFS, we had a bigger xG than WBA. And yes, we've lost two of the first three games. We won 2 of the 3 first, and both home wins, last year. And beat WBA and Rotherham (again) in the league cup for a good start to the season. How did that work out, eh? In 2022 Coventry had 1 draw and then 4 straight losses, and only won in their 8th game, and they ended up in the playoffs. The amount of knicker wetting on here is ridiculous. We'll see in November where we're at, and then evaluate. It's too early to tell how it will go! As for the game, there where positives. Using Koumas as a striker was a good decision, and both Million and Laurent had good passes for him to run onto. The negatives were many, but SS can't be held responsible for Gooch defending like a schoolboy and a poor midfield job by Thompson. Plus, SS did what many here wanted - drop Burger and play Bae centrally. That didn't work at all, so he tried to change it (and did badly, I agree with that). People make mistakes. And while "superduper" Johnny Walters still haven't signed a fit striker, you lot are ripping into the head coach. He picked Gooch in a role he can’t play, played Bae as a midfielder against a top midfield that was always going to be too physical for him and continues with Thompson who is the squad player not starter he has been for 4 seasons. All of those were choices made by the manager. Justifying decisions because the fans might think it is right is no justification, more the opposite. And, even then, like at Watford, why not change when it clearly wasn’t working? Gooch is a utility player, and has played LWB before (he sucks at it, and most other positions as well though). His tactical choice here was wrong, and I hope he's learning from it. Bae as a no.10 is something many on here have claimed he's good at for a year. Now we've tried it, and it won't happen again. unless we go back to a 2-1 midfield. Thompson is considered our best DM by a large portion of our fans even if his discipline stats are worse than Pearsons and he can't tackle or position himself (hint: he used to be a playmaker before he came to us). So while he was wrong about all of this, so was most of our fans. Now, why did he start with those three? Again, that's Walters fault. No striker means he had to use Koumas as the no.9 (which worked brilliantly TBF) and had to put someone on the LWB/LW. He could have used Burger in midfield, but chose to leave him out (again at the behest of our fans AND Pejic!). He could have started Moran, which he should have. My preference is Burger behind Bae and Moran, but it is perhaps too early for that. BUT WE STILL NEED A FUCKING STRIKER!!! Again, people make mistakes, and I'm sure SS won't make the same mistakes again. Walters on the other hand has a lot to answer for and now has 4 days left. Either way, asking for heads to roll after three games is total bollocks.
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Post by baconburger on Aug 27, 2024 10:16:43 GMT
He picked Gooch in a role he can’t play, played Bae as a midfielder against a top midfield that was always going to be too physical for him and continues with Thompson who is the squad player not starter he has been for 4 seasons. All of those were choices made by the manager. Justifying decisions because the fans might think it is right is no justification, more the opposite. And, even then, like at Watford, why not change when it clearly wasn’t working? Gooch is a utility player, and has played LWB before (he sucks at it, and most other positions as well though). His tactical choice here was wrong, and I hope he's learning from it. Bae as a no.10 is something many on here have claimed he's good at for a year. Now we've tried it, and it won't happen again. unless we go back to a 2-1 midfield. Thompson is considered our best DM by a large portion of our fans even if his discipline stats are worse than Pearsons and he can't tackle or position himself (hint: he used to be a playmaker before he came to us). So while he was wrong about all of this, so was most of our fans. Now, why did he start with those three? Again, that's Walters fault. No striker means he had to use Koumas as the no.9 (which worked brilliantly TBF) and had to put someone on the LWB/LW. He could have used Burger in midfield, but chose to leave him out (again at the behest of our fans AND Pejic!). He could have started Moran, which he should have. My preference is Burger behind Bae and Moran, but it is perhaps too early for that. BUT WE STILL NEED A FUCKING STRIKER!!! Again, people make mistakes, and I'm sure SS won't make the same mistakes again. Walters on the other hand has a lot to answer for and now has 4 days left. Either way, asking for heads to roll after three games is total bollocks. Agree with most of that other than Thompson was actually more of a left winger at Blackpool than anything else believe it or not.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 27, 2024 10:56:28 GMT
Not conjecture at all . He went on to explain that they cold shouldered Cundle . Wouldn’t pass to him . So he rested him. Cundle didn’t sulk. Just got his head down . Then after he had scored at Sheffield he was accepted . Those that rebelled are still with us . Let’s see how many are loaned or sold come Friday . Did you not see Baker on Saturday just shoot from ridiculous positions? Like a spoiled brat . His last temper tantrum I’m guessing. And the others ? Doesn’t take much working out Baker has been treated like shit despite being our only midfield goal threat and spot kick expert, so what's the reason? By who?
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Post by baconburger on Aug 27, 2024 10:58:55 GMT
Baker has been treated like shit despite being our only midfield goal threat and spot kick expert, so what's the reason? By who? Every one who wasn't impressed by his lack of urgency or physicality. Having a shot on you should get you in the side on it's own apparently.
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Aug 27, 2024 19:59:07 GMT
Lots of young and exciting players coming through. Hold onto your hats. It may be a bumpy ride but the football will come.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 27, 2024 20:00:27 GMT
Lots of young and exciting players coming through. Hold onto your hats. It may be a bumpy ride but the football will come. I'd wait a few more games if I were you 😅 Yes, there's some good players but tonight was never going to be true barometer for the season.
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Post by Waggy on Aug 27, 2024 20:01:21 GMT
I’m excited
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Aug 27, 2024 20:02:07 GMT
The swingometer in full force, a win he’s great, a loss he’s awful….
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Aug 27, 2024 20:02:09 GMT
Lots of young and exciting players coming through. Hold onto your hats. It may be a bumpy ride but the football will come. I'd wait a few more games if I were you 😅 Yes, there's some good players but tonight was never going to be true barometer for the season. Of course, there will be a few bumps...the football will come through. That's all I'm saying mate.
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Post by danceswithclams on Aug 27, 2024 20:03:35 GMT
Lots of young and exciting players coming through. Hold onto your hats. It may be a bumpy ride but the football will come. Will he have the cajones to actually play them though, or will he revert to shitters like Laurent, Thompson, and Gooch?
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Aug 27, 2024 20:05:44 GMT
Lots of young and exciting players coming through. Hold onto your hats. It may be a bumpy ride but the football will come. Will he have the cajones to actually play them though, or will he revert to shitters like Laurent, Thompson, and Gooch? This is what’s key for me, if he accepts that the kids really are the answer this time then he gets a pass, if he reverts to the extras from Last of the Summer Wine then the blokes thicker than the cement we could then use to encapsulate John Coates in.
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Post by roylandstoke on Aug 27, 2024 20:12:28 GMT
Looked like a straight back 4, with two full backs playing full back: a role both of them seemed to able to play.
Keep it simple Schumacher.
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Post by thornestein on Aug 27, 2024 20:13:18 GMT
Looked like a straight back 4, with two full backs playing full back: a role both of them seemed to able to play. Keep it simple Schumacher. first half they were very narrow but not so much second half
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Post by banksy1art on Aug 27, 2024 20:14:40 GMT
Best manager we’ve had for years but some clowns on here can’t accept that he’ll make mistakes as he’s only young! We are progressing as a club. Manager and players. Get off their backs and get behind your team!
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Post by lordb on Aug 27, 2024 20:15:55 GMT
Work in progress
More goals this season,at both ends
Stick with him this season for sure
See where we are at the end, need to see a top half finish really at least
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Post by ChesterStokie on Aug 27, 2024 20:18:21 GMT
Best manager we’ve had for years but some clowns on here can’t accept that he’ll make mistakes as he’s only young! We are progressing as a club. Manager and players. Get off their backs and get behind your team! Yes and on that note maybe we can all give this thread a rest for a few days.
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