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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 25, 2024 11:53:46 GMT
Problem with every manager we’ve had in the Championship is that they’re all tactically inept. Michael ONeill found a system that led to us battering teams then had a huge brain fart in lockdown and changed it. I wonder how much of our late season improvement was down to Walter's influence and telling Schumacher to be more pragmatic. One things for sure it could be Rowett, Jones , MON or Alex Neill in charge and this message board looks exactly the same. Taking into account our size, resources and wealth we can’t be far off the most under performing club in the league. Micheal I don't have a set way of playing ONeill was full of shit from the get go, he didn't want to play the way that worked in keeping us up and the second he had the chance to change it he did, he always wanted to play three at the back slow boring football. |
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Post by silverdollar on Aug 25, 2024 11:54:24 GMT
I was at the game yesterday and beforehand I was expecting a very difficult game against an unbeaten physically strong team. There were individual moments in the game that I could be critical with but left the game impressed by some individual performances from the Stoke team that is very promising for the future. In reality there was not much between the sides. We had the best two players on show in Koumas and Junho. The two goals we conceded were poor but with a fraction more luck would have outscored West Brom. For the first time in a long while we had a player running in behind the opposition and scoring. When Gallagher is fit this can open up more room for Koumas. Schumacher is doing a great job! Get off his back! Support your team rather than criticising every single little mistake.
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Post by Scrotnig on Aug 25, 2024 12:04:48 GMT
I was at the game yesterday and beforehand I was expecting a very difficult game against an unbeaten physically strong team. There were individual moments in the game that I could be critical with but left the game impressed by some individual performances from the Stoke team that is very promising for the future. In reality there was not much between the sides. We had the best two players on show in Koumas and Junho. The two goals we conceded were poor but with a fraction more luck would have outscored West Brom. For the first time in a long while we had a player running in behind the opposition and scoring. When Gallagher is fit this can open up more room for Koumas. Schumacher is doing a great job! Get off his back! Support your team rather than criticising every single little mistake. This has to be a joke post surely. |
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Post by potterpaul on Aug 25, 2024 12:09:42 GMT
I was at the game yesterday and beforehand I was expecting a very difficult game against an unbeaten physically strong team. There were individual moments in the game that I could be critical with but left the game impressed by some individual performances from the Stoke team that is very promising for the future. In reality there was not much between the sides. We had the best two players on show in Koumas and Junho. The two goals we conceded were poor but with a fraction more luck would have outscored West Brom. For the first time in a long while we had a player running in behind the opposition and scoring. When Gallagher is fit this can open up more room for Koumas. Schumacher is doing a great job! Get off his back! Support your team rather than criticising every single little mistake. This has to be a joke post surely. Nah but proves other planets have excellent internet connection 🤣 |
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Post by superpotter on Aug 25, 2024 12:13:13 GMT
Add to the fact that we are signing a team of dwarfs who are either just leaving school or have joined from countries in leagues that are far less physical than this one then you have the reason as to why we are where we are I agree with you. The team/squad is too lightweight. Phone the head of recruitment then tell him get some big lads signed |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 25, 2024 12:23:32 GMT
Problem with every manager we’ve had in the Championship is that they’re all tactically inept. Michael ONeill found a system that led to us battering teams then had a huge brain fart in lockdown and changed it. I wonder how much of our late season improvement was down to Walter's influence and telling Schumacher to be more pragmatic. One things for sure it could be Rowett, Jones , MON or Alex Neill in charge and this message board looks exactly the same. Taking into account our size, resources and wealth we can’t be far off the most under performing club in the league. Micheal I don't have a set way of playing ONeill was full of shit from the get go, he didn't want to play the way that worked in keeping us up and the second he had the chance to change it he did, he always wanted to play three at the back slow boring football. Still find it weird just how much vitriol you have for MON compared to someone like Alex Neil who came here for a payday and easy commute…… |
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Aug 25, 2024 12:24:32 GMT
I've got my Stoke head on here, so I'm going to say exactly how I see it. We were unlucky to lose with the 2 shots against the post and probably deserved a draw. Very impressed with a couple of players yesterday but the midfield was disastrous and lost the battle from the off. It was obvious to me that Burger should have started, despite being very average in the last couple of weeks. I left feeling very flat after the game and was not impressed. However, to suggest that we sack him is laughable. It will come but we need to make some very astute signings this week. Over to Walters to find someone who Ste wants. We definitely need some experience in there.
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Post by spoton on Aug 25, 2024 12:28:15 GMT
I was at the game yesterday and beforehand I was expecting a very difficult game against an unbeaten physically strong team. There were individual moments in the game that I could be critical with but left the game impressed by some individual performances from the Stoke team that is very promising for the future. In reality there was not much between the sides. We had the best two players on show in Koumas and Junho. The two goals we conceded were poor but with a fraction more luck would have outscored West Brom. For the first time in a long while we had a player running in behind the opposition and scoring. When Gallagher is fit this can open up more room for Koumas. Schumacher is doing a great job! Get off his back! Support your team rather than criticising every single little mistake. Firstly Junho wasn't impressive at all he does the odd thing but far too weak in his play, when Gallagher does play then Koumas will stay on the left yes he may get behind his defender but less of a goal threat,the manager is no where near good enough tactical wise ever stoke fan could see after 15 minutes we were getting hammered in midfield but he decided until the 60min to try to stop them, poor manager with non league tactics |
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Post by silverdollar on Aug 25, 2024 12:30:28 GMT
I was at the game yesterday and beforehand I was expecting a very difficult game against an unbeaten physically strong team. There were individual moments in the game that I could be critical with but left the game impressed by some individual performances from the Stoke team that is very promising for the future. In reality there was not much between the sides. We had the best two players on show in Koumas and Junho. The two goals we conceded were poor but with a fraction more luck would have outscored West Brom. For the first time in a long while we had a player running in behind the opposition and scoring. When Gallagher is fit this can open up more room for Koumas. Schumacher is doing a great job! Get off his back! Support your team rather than criticising every single little mistake. This has to be a joke post surely. You have a very appropriate nom de plume "Scrotnig" I won't enter into a debate with a Scrot! The vast amount of people have only to look back at the game and will agree with me. Come back to me in at the end of the season and admit what a "Scrot" you were! |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Aug 25, 2024 12:30:52 GMT
I've got my Stoke head on here, so I'm going to say exactly how I see it. We were unlucky to lose with the 2 shots against the post and probably deserved a draw. Very impressed with a couple of players yesterday but the midfield was disastrous and lost the battle from the off. It was obvious to me that Burger should have started, despite being very average in the last couple of weeks. I left feeling very flat after the game and was not impressed. However, to suggest that we sack him is laughable. It will come but we need to make some very astute signings this week. Over to Walters to find someone who Ste wants. We definitely need some experience in there. I'm sticking with him chief. Early days yet for this season so I'm not going to stain me undies yet. Although I will say he needs a big positive performance back at Plymouth next week. Probably not a good time to be going there really but he needs his squad well up for that one. |
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Post by silverdollar on Aug 25, 2024 12:31:47 GMT
I was at the game yesterday and beforehand I was expecting a very difficult game against an unbeaten physically strong team. There were individual moments in the game that I could be critical with but left the game impressed by some individual performances from the Stoke team that is very promising for the future. In reality there was not much between the sides. We had the best two players on show in Koumas and Junho. The two goals we conceded were poor but with a fraction more luck would have outscored West Brom. For the first time in a long while we had a player running in behind the opposition and scoring. When Gallagher is fit this can open up more room for Koumas. Schumacher is doing a great job! Get off his back! Support your team rather than criticising every single little mistake. Firstly Junho wasn't impressive at all he does the odd thing but far too weak in his play, when Gallagher does play then Koumas will stay on the left yes he may get behind his defender but less of a goal threat,the manager is no where near good enough tactical wise ever stoke fan could see after 15 minutes we were getting hammered in midfield but he decided until the 60min to try to stop them, poor manager with non league tactics Oh and of course you are! |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Aug 25, 2024 12:34:32 GMT
I was at the game yesterday and beforehand I was expecting a very difficult game against an unbeaten physically strong team. There were individual moments in the game that I could be critical with but left the game impressed by some individual performances from the Stoke team that is very promising for the future. In reality there was not much between the sides. We had the best two players on show in Koumas and Junho. The two goals we conceded were poor but with a fraction more luck would have outscored West Brom. For the first time in a long while we had a player running in behind the opposition and scoring. When Gallagher is fit this can open up more room for Koumas. Schumacher is doing a great job! Get off his back! Support your team rather than criticising every single little mistake. Firstly Junho wasn't impressive at all he does the odd thing but far too weak in his play, when Gallagher does play then Koumas will stay on the left yes he may get behind his defender but less of a goal threat,the manager is no where near good enough tactical wise ever stoke fan could see after 15 minutes we were getting hammered in midfield but he decided until the 60min to try to stop them, poor manager with non league tactics Opinions and all that. I think personally you're being a bit harsh considering we're only 3 games into the season. But let's see how we are 10 games in.. |
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Aug 25, 2024 12:37:46 GMT
I've got my Stoke head on here, so I'm going to say exactly how I see it. We were unlucky to lose with the 2 shots against the post and probably deserved a draw. Very impressed with a couple of players yesterday but the midfield was disastrous and lost the battle from the off. It was obvious to me that Burger should have started, despite being very average in the last couple of weeks. I left feeling very flat after the game and was not impressed. However, to suggest that we sack him is laughable. It will come but we need to make some very astute signings this week. Over to Walters to find someone who Ste wants. We definitely need some experience in there. I'm sticking with him chief. Early days yet for this season so I'm not going to stain me undies yet. Although I will say he needs a big positive performance back at Plymouth next week. Probably not a good time to be going there really but he needs his squad well up for that one. Fair comment. The full backs need a kick up the arse too, especially Bocat. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 25, 2024 12:38:13 GMT
Micheal I don't have a set way of playing ONeill was full of shit from the get go, he didn't want to play the way that worked in keeping us up and the second he had the chance to change it he did, he always wanted to play three at the back slow boring football. Still find it weird just how much vitriol you have for MON compared to someone like Alex Neil who came here for a payday and easy commute…… I wasn't a massive fan of Neil either. MON was as bad as the rest of them but some how gets an easy ride, yes he kept us up, he also wasted money and the players he had due to his inability to be flexible. He should have done so much better and chose to ignore all the positivity and completely mess it up. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 25, 2024 12:40:41 GMT
I'm sticking with him chief. Early days yet for this season so I'm not going to stain me undies yet. Although I will say he needs a big positive performance back at Plymouth next week. Probably not a good time to be going there really but he needs his squad well up for that one. Fair comment. The full backs need a kick up the arse too, especially Bocat. Junior is worse mate in my opinion,needs to go back to basics with the pair of them although I suspect Stevens will replace Bocat when fit |
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Post by jzime on Aug 25, 2024 12:40:47 GMT
We can't just keep sacking managers every time they go through a sticky patch. We can't just keep letting a new manager and/or director of football make wholesale changes to the squad during a summer transfer window and then start talking about him 'losing the plot' after a couple (and at the moment it literally is just a couple!) of bad results.
There is only one reason and one reason alone that we should even think about sacking Schumacher this season, and that would be if we are in or near the relegation zone either approaching Christmas or after it.
Anything else and we may as well at least give him this season. Frankly, keeping us clear of relegation would be progress on the last couple of seasons. We have to be blunt and honest here: our squad is not top six quality and we are occasionally going to get beaten by teams who might be in or around the playoffs come the end of the season.
In Burger, Junho and Manhoef we own three decent players outright. In Koumas it looks like we might have a promising goalscorer on loan. Junior Tchamadeu could become a very good player at this level but still has a fair bit to learn. Beyond that, the squad does not scream 'top six' quality and we might have to be patient with them. Finishing anywhere midtable would represent progress that we could hopefully continue to build on.
Still think Schumacher is improving us compared to where we've been over the last few years and I remain quietly confident we will get better in time.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Aug 25, 2024 12:44:56 GMT
I'm sticking with him chief. Early days yet for this season so I'm not going to stain me undies yet. Although I will say he needs a big positive performance back at Plymouth next week. Probably not a good time to be going there really but he needs his squad well up for that one. Fair comment. The full backs need a kick up the arse too, especially Bocat. Agreed about the full backs. Junior was caught out a few times not paying attention which was worrying. I think that is his actual weakness. I think ability wise he's fine but if you keep switching off it puts everyone out of shape trying to cover him. I'd like Schumacher to do to Rooney what he did to him last season away at Birmingham. That said an away point with a solid performance will do. Its a conundrum because the temptation will be to shut up shop and battle for a point or to nick a winner. Or will we go out on the front foot. I'd hate to be a manager of Stoke tbh 😆 |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Aug 25, 2024 12:46:18 GMT
Still find it weird just how much vitriol you have for MON compared to someone like Alex Neil who came here for a payday and easy commute…… I wasn't a massive fan of Neil either. MON was as bad as the rest of them but some how gets an easy ride, yes he kept us up, he also wasted money and the players he had due to his inability to be flexible. He should have done so much better and chose to ignore all the positivity and completely mess it up. MON didn't have anything near the budget of Jones and Rowett did he? Did I miss something 🤔 |
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Post by drippinggoatsnob on Aug 25, 2024 12:53:14 GMT
I've got my Stoke head on here, so I'm going to say exactly how I see it. We were unlucky to lose with the 2 shots against the post and probably deserved a draw. Very impressed with a couple of players yesterday but the midfield was disastrous and lost the battle from the off. It was obvious to me that Burger should have started, despite being very average in the last couple of weeks. I left feeling very flat after the game and was not impressed. However, to suggest that we sack him is laughable. It will come but we need to make some very astute signings this week. Over to Walters to find someone who Ste wants. We definitely need some experience in there. Very honest and I'm sure you must be really torn on this. SS is a top bloke and a good coach. Unlike so many on here the big issues for me aren't strikers. As you stated the midfield balance and work ethic is all wrong. They look like strangers. We don't cut crosses out. Our fbs are narrow and we have conceded 5 goals in 2 matches. In the Watford game their commentators couldn't believe the space we left out wide and we paid the price in both games. The possession based approach along with the above will be the hill which SS dies on unless he takes a more pragmatic approach to the game. With every ounce of my being I want a stoke coach to do well for the benefit of everyone but if a coach remains steadfast to his or her footballing beliefs and cant operate differently given the personnel, then they will either beat the drum until they succeed or unfortunately and more probably it will be their downfall. Despite the large change in personnel which will take time to bed in, granted, I don't see a way of playing or a style. Pre WBA, SS said they were big and Strong but what will their manager say about us in their press conferences? Probably, goood coach, good individuals, big club,been in the Premier but little on style of play because its not obvious. I hope he can turn it around. |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Aug 25, 2024 12:54:06 GMT
I've got my Stoke head on here, so I'm going to say exactly how I see it. We were unlucky to lose with the 2 shots against the post and probably deserved a draw. Very impressed with a couple of players yesterday but the midfield was disastrous and lost the battle from the off. It was obvious to me that Burger should have started, despite being very average in the last couple of weeks. I left feeling very flat after the game and was not impressed. However, to suggest that we sack him is laughable. It will come but we need to make some very astute signings this week. Over to Walters to find someone who Ste wants. We definitely need some experience in there. Bang on the money, though it did feel that WBA had a lot more in the bank should we equalise again. Without doubt we need some good experienced heads in the side as we do feel fragile at times when things start going against us. I think we have it in Gibson but it feels like we need a couple more too. Players that have been there and have got the experience to bring the youngsters on. Stevens if he can keep fit will make a huge difference as he’s solid. Spot on re Burger I’ve seen enough to know he’s got a far higher ceiling than any other midfielder in the club. Not sure why he’s so droppable yet Laurent constantly goes hiding and is pretty much the first player on the team sheet. That CM yesterday offered nothing going forwards or defensively. I live in hope that Cundle still joins but the way forwards is definately Lawal, Burger and Cundle/Moran. Let’s not experiment with Bae in the middle play to his strength and have him out wide. Koumas was a revelation and could be a superb addition though as is the case with Bae and some of the other youngsters don’t burn them out and bring in some experience to support them when they look tired. |
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Post by gingerninja on Aug 25, 2024 12:56:06 GMT
Fish, were/are you suggesting that Ste isn't getting the players HE wants?.
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Post by RWChris on Aug 25, 2024 13:02:50 GMT
XG yesterday. 1.79 (us) 1.53 That doesn’t reflect the comments on here. West Brom will be top 8. Once we’ve sorted out the cohesion of the team by them playing together more and more (especially the back line and their command of the midfield) we should get better quite quickly. Most XG models will just look at the position that Manhoef's chance came from and the position of the GK. It won't factor in the fact that the ball was coming at him at speed, on the rise with little time to adjust his body to put it in the net. I'd say the XG for that chance quoted elsewhere as 0.82 is therefore artificially high. |
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 25, 2024 13:09:38 GMT
Gooch had a stinker of a game yesterday. He should probably never start a game for us, but it was even worse that SS let him finish that first half even though a blind man could see how we struggled every time Gooch was forced to defend. Both their goals of course was a result of bad defending and positioning from Gooch. I was watching the game with my son and we both agreed he should have been taken off long before they scored their second. A good fotball man should really be able to spot the glaring obvious in my opinion!  |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 25, 2024 13:21:32 GMT
I wasn't a massive fan of Neil either. MON was as bad as the rest of them but some how gets an easy ride, yes he kept us up, he also wasted money and the players he had due to his inability to be flexible. He should have done so much better and chose to ignore all the positivity and completely mess it up. MON didn't have anything near the budget of Jones and Rowett did he? Did I miss something 🤔 Never said he did. |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Aug 25, 2024 13:29:34 GMT
I've got my Stoke head on here, so I'm going to say exactly how I see it. We were unlucky to lose with the 2 shots against the post and probably deserved a draw. Very impressed with a couple of players yesterday but the midfield was disastrous and lost the battle from the off. It was obvious to me that Burger should have started, despite being very average in the last couple of weeks. I left feeling very flat after the game and was not impressed. However, to suggest that we sack him is laughable. It will come but we need to make some very astute signings this week. Over to Walters to find someone who Ste wants. We definitely need some experience in there. Bang on the money, though it did feel that WBA had a lot more in the bank should we equalise again. Without doubt we need some good experienced heads in the side as we do feel fragile at times when things start going against us. I think we have it in Gibson but it feels like we need a couple more too. Players that have been there and have got the experience to bring the youngsters on. Stevens if he can keep fit will make a huge difference as he’s solid. Spot on re Burger I’ve seen enough to know he’s got a far higher ceiling than any other midfielder in the club. Not sure why he’s so droppable yet Laurent constantly goes hiding and is pretty much the first player on the team sheet. That CM yesterday offered nothing going forwards or defensively. I live in hope that Cundle still joins but the way forwards is definately Lawal, Burger and Cundle/Moran. Let’s not experiment with Bae in the middle play to his strength and have him out wide. Koumas was a revelation and could be a superb addition though as is the case with Bae and some of the other youngsters don’t burn them out and bring in some experience to support them when they look tired. Let's hope SS wants the players that JW brings in, if not,what then? |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 25, 2024 13:31:38 GMT
Still find it weird just how much vitriol you have for MON compared to someone like Alex Neil who came here for a payday and easy commute…… I wasn't a massive fan of Neil either. MON was as bad as the rest of them but some how gets an easy ride, yes he kept us up, he also wasted money and the players he had due to his inability to be flexible. He should have done so much better and chose to ignore all the positivity and completely mess it up. We’d be certainly no worse off than we are now under MON and I’d argue we’d have progressed but alas we’ll never know…… |
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Post by gingerninja on Aug 25, 2024 13:33:58 GMT
Lewal looks as if he will be a beast in midfield, but nobody seems to know what issue he has, or a timescale to when he will be fit🤔
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Post by sticky on Aug 25, 2024 13:34:53 GMT
At a wedding yesterday so didn’t see it, were we really that bad? I went Watford and didn’t think the 1st half was that bad, the second was diabolical mind.
I know it seems to be an endless “give them time” but surely SS needs a good run of games to get a settled team in, and find a way that suits the players
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Aug 25, 2024 13:41:02 GMT
Bang on the money, though it did feel that WBA had a lot more in the bank should we equalise again. Without doubt we need some good experienced heads in the side as we do feel fragile at times when things start going against us. I think we have it in Gibson but it feels like we need a couple more too. Players that have been there and have got the experience to bring the youngsters on. Stevens if he can keep fit will make a huge difference as he’s solid. Spot on re Burger I’ve seen enough to know he’s got a far higher ceiling than any other midfielder in the club. Not sure why he’s so droppable yet Laurent constantly goes hiding and is pretty much the first player on the team sheet. That CM yesterday offered nothing going forwards or defensively. I live in hope that Cundle still joins but the way forwards is definately Lawal, Burger and Cundle/Moran. Let’s not experiment with Bae in the middle play to his strength and have him out wide. Koumas was a revelation and could be a superb addition though as is the case with Bae and some of the other youngsters don’t burn them out and bring in some experience to support them when they look tired. Let's hope SS wants the players that JW brings in, if not,what then? If that’s the case then it’s a ridiculous situation of the clubs making. The manager should be bringing in “his” players. |
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Post by baconburger on Aug 25, 2024 13:46:07 GMT
Bang on the money, though it did feel that WBA had a lot more in the bank should we equalise again. Without doubt we need some good experienced heads in the side as we do feel fragile at times when things start going against us. I think we have it in Gibson but it feels like we need a couple more too. Players that have been there and have got the experience to bring the youngsters on. Stevens if he can keep fit will make a huge difference as he’s solid. Spot on re Burger I’ve seen enough to know he’s got a far higher ceiling than any other midfielder in the club. Not sure why he’s so droppable yet Laurent constantly goes hiding and is pretty much the first player on the team sheet. That CM yesterday offered nothing going forwards or defensively. I live in hope that Cundle still joins but the way forwards is definately Lawal, Burger and Cundle/Moran. Let’s not experiment with Bae in the middle play to his strength and have him out wide. Koumas was a revelation and could be a superb addition though as is the case with Bae and some of the other youngsters don’t burn them out and bring in some experience to support them when they look tired. Let's hope SS wants the players that JW brings in, if not,what then? Then Charlie Adam or Glenn Whelan will like them better. |
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