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Post by george2again on Aug 25, 2024 8:35:58 GMT
Everyone I speak to wants SS to work, why wouldn't we? He's easy to like. After yesterday’s interview on radio Stoke I think the wheel has turned. Normally spot on with his evaluation but yesterday he was going into Rowett/ Neil mode which does not bode well. His tenure at Stoke is showing his inexperience and cracks are starting to get bigger. |
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Post by mamathestriker on Aug 25, 2024 8:37:35 GMT
Everyone I speak to wants SS to work, why wouldn't we? He's easy to like. After yesterday’s interview on radio Stoke I think the wheel has turned. Normally spot on with his evaluation but yesterday he was going into Rowett/ Neil mode which does not bode well. His tenure at Stoke is showing his inexperience and cracks are starting to get bigger. Hard to disagree with that. He looks and has started to sound paranoid too. Lose next week and the pressure is really on him. |
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Post by greenhoff on Aug 25, 2024 8:44:03 GMT
I honestly thought at the end of the season we’d turned a corner. SS was more pragmatic playing to our strengths and the performances were excellent.
However the players that made us tick have left and once again we have a coach who is completely overthinking. We are once again in Jones/Neil territory.
I think we all know how this ends!
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 25, 2024 9:19:04 GMT
Did you predict hitting the post twice too? No, but it was a meek and disjointed performance as you could see yesterday and gave them the advantage from the get go. I don't think they were all that much better tbh, when we put a decent move together they fell apart, two poor teams for me. |
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Post by mamathestriker on Aug 25, 2024 9:22:07 GMT
No, but it was a meek and disjointed performance as you could see yesterday and gave them the advantage from the get go. I don't think they were all that much better tbh, when we put a decent move together they fell apart, two poor teams for me. I honestly think bar one or two teams this league is really average. Which makes us being so disappointing even more so. |
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Post by baconburger on Aug 25, 2024 9:23:33 GMT
I honestly thought at the end of the season we’d turned a corner. SS was more pragmatic playing to our strengths and the performances were excellent. However the players that made us tick have left and once again we have a coach who is completely overthinking. We are once again in Jones/Neil territory. I think we all know how this ends! Agree with most of that apart from that our impressive performances came when Schu was being pragmatic. They didn’t they came when he made his high risk high reward style work. |
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Post by dirtygary69 on Aug 25, 2024 9:32:40 GMT
I honestly thought at the end of the season we’d turned a corner. SS was more pragmatic playing to our strengths and the performances were excellent. However the players that made us tick have left and once again we have a coach who is completely overthinking. We are once again in Jones/Neil territory. I think we all know how this ends! Yep, and this may not be on him, but why haven’t we recruited along the same line as those players lost? Hoever replaced - no Cundle replaced - maybe Campbell replaced - no Those three were key in making it tick. They linked up well with others and, whilst limited in some areas, had strengths that shone through in those last few games. |
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Post by LphPotter on Aug 25, 2024 9:38:58 GMT
Everyone I speak to wants SS to work, why wouldn't we? He's easy to like. After yesterday’s interview on radio Stoke I think the wheel has turned. Normally spot on with his evaluation but yesterday he was going into Rowett/ Neil mode which does not bode well. His tenure at Stoke is showing his inexperience and cracks are starting to get bigger. Not even close to some of the nonsense those two came out with, come on |
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Post by thornestein on Aug 25, 2024 10:13:51 GMT
i really want give him time , he’s a very likeable bloke , but i’ve been supporting Stoke long enough to tell it’s not going to work , it’s just the same old cycle year on year
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Aug 25, 2024 10:22:39 GMT
This week alone in the transfer market will either give him a future at Stoke City or give him last chance saloon already (and that I suggest with a heavy heart as I really want it to work with Schu )
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Aug 25, 2024 10:24:28 GMT
Hes got 1 week to save his job but it could be Walters fault for not doing what he is paid for.
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Post by ChesterStokie on Aug 25, 2024 10:35:56 GMT
Hes got 1 week to save his job but it could be Walters fault for not doing what he is paid for. Are you talking about the man who 10 days ago had won his last 5 competitive games and now he’s got a week to save his job? Laughable. |
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Post by silsdenstokie on Aug 25, 2024 10:36:31 GMT
Really want it to work for him but he did himself no favours yesterday
A bit concerning but he can still sort it out
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Post by Northy on Aug 25, 2024 10:39:13 GMT
Everyone I speak to wants SS to work, why wouldn't we? He's easy to like. After yesterday’s interview on radio Stoke I think the wheel has turned. Normally spot on with his evaluation but yesterday he was going into Rowett/ Neil mode which does not bode well. His tenure at Stoke is showing his inexperience and cracks are starting to get bigger. Agree, I couldn't get my head around it, just admit they were bigger, stringer and better organised than we were, and with a game plan that worked. |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 25, 2024 10:39:39 GMT
Hes got 1 week to save his job but it could be Walters fault for not doing what he is paid for. Are you talking about the man who 10 days ago had won his last 5 competitive games and now he’s got a week to save his job? Laughable. He’s got until by the second international break before any jeopardy kicks in and all he needs is positive signals by then but without them he could be in trouble it’s the way of the works and he wasn’t a SJW appointment |
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Post by pushon on Aug 25, 2024 10:55:07 GMT
Absolutely spot on with the only hope he gets better quickly having had more time to sort it out with the new players. We need the window closed and the international break to give him time. Let’s see how we look then. Add to the fact that we are signing a team of dwarfs who are either just leaving school or have joined from countries in leagues that are far less physical than this one then you have the reason as to why we are where we are I agree with you. The team/squad is too lightweight. |
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Post by nonameface on Aug 25, 2024 11:02:47 GMT
XG yesterday.
1.79 (us)
1.53
That doesn’t reflect the comments on here.
West Brom will be top 8.
Once we’ve sorted out the cohesion of the team by them playing together more and more (especially the back line and their command of the midfield) we should get better quite quickly.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 25, 2024 11:06:36 GMT
Add to the fact that we are signing a team of dwarfs who are either just leaving school or have joined from countries in leagues that are far less physical than this one then you have the reason as to why we are where we are I agree with you. The team/squad is too lightweight. Height and physicality all over the pitch is definitely our biggest weakness as it stands. Needs to be a requirement for any additional signings in my opinion. We could dominate the game for 89 minutes currently and I’m still worried we’ll get sucker punched from a set piece…. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 25, 2024 11:08:07 GMT
XG yesterday. 1.79 (us) 1.53 That doesn’t reflect the comments on here. West Brom will be top 8. Once we’ve sorted out the cohesion of the team by them playing together more and more (especially the back line and their command of the midfield) we should get better quite quickly. That's why XG is only a guide though. Over the 90 minutes, we were dreadful 0.82 (and some sites have got it as high as 0.92) of that was the Manhoef chance from the rebound, and the rest is Koumas' goal and 2 post hits. So around 1.3 of that happened in 2 seconds Corberan is a pretty conservative coach, and he just sat back and asked us to break them down at 2-1. And we didn't look like we had the first clue how to do it |
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Post by ChesterStokie on Aug 25, 2024 11:15:33 GMT
Add to the fact that we are signing a team of dwarfs who are either just leaving school or have joined from countries in leagues that are far less physical than this one then you have the reason as to why we are where we are I agree with you. The team/squad is too lightweight. Yes we looked lightweight yesterday but 3 of the lightweights Koumas, Million and Junho were our best players and Lawal, Phillips and Gallagher look like they will add the physicality. But let’s sack the manager first. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 25, 2024 11:16:30 GMT
I agree with you. The team/squad is too lightweight. Height and physicality all over the pitch is definitely our biggest staweakness as it stands. Needs to be a requirement for any additional signings in my opinion. We could dominate the game for 89 minutes currently and I’m still worried we’ll get sucker punched from a set piece…. Absolutely bang on,men against boys(in stature)was so evident as the 2 teams walked out yesterday and lined up |
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Post by citynickscfc on Aug 25, 2024 11:20:50 GMT
His stats aren't disastrous yet, but they are heading that way. 2 unbelievably poor performances and players all over the place in an unfancied, negative formation. Very very poor start that's for sure. 1.00 ppg so far it’s the poor performance’s that’s worse than the results , no one really minds losing if we play well As one of the best managers in our history said...I would always take results over performances. Good teams play poorly and still win. It's a sign of a good team actually. Imagine playing well, you would win at a canter. |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 25, 2024 11:23:43 GMT
Height and physicality all over the pitch is definitely our biggest staweakness as it stands. Needs to be a requirement for any additional signings in my opinion. We could dominate the game for 89 minutes currently and I’m still worried we’ll get sucker punched from a set piece…. Absolutely bang on,men against boys(in stature)was so evident as the 2 teams walked out yesterday and lined up Said exactly the same on the walk from the tunnel . It was a total reversal of the old Stoke v wba indeed close your eyes it could have been the old Stoke ( WBA ) v the new Stoke ( Swansea ) as tge game played out . |
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Post by anchorman on Aug 25, 2024 11:24:17 GMT
It was self evident both last week at Watford and yesterday v W Brom. We were out fought & out muscled at times, although I doubt the Baggies will have a more comfortable second half than the one we gifted them yesterday. As Mickey Pejic said this one’s on the manager. A completely different system that after a few minutes was never going to work. The players looked lost, confused. A good coach would recognise that and change it rather than waiting until they scored (which we predicted) until tweaking things. It was one of the worst Stoke performances in a while from manager & players. Going into the final week of the window and as desperate as we are for strikers, we need far more than that right now. Our goal keeper department is weak. Johan son has had 2 poor games on the bounce & he’s got no competition for the shirt whatsoever. So far, Iverson/Travis are streets ahead of him. RB - Junior is woeful & again no competition. Wilmott & Gibson both far too weak & as a supposedly good ball playing CB Gibson has been poor for me. We need a senior, physical strong CB. Midfield..not sure I’ve got the time for all the ins & outs there! Up too we need pace, guile, physicality & gumption. How we achieve half of that in 6 days is beyond me but one things for sure, if we don’t address some of the issues we’re in big trouble.
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Post by greenhoff on Aug 25, 2024 11:28:18 GMT
Problem with every manager we’ve had in the Championship is that they’re all tactically inept. Michael ONeill found a system that led to us battering teams then had a huge brain fart in lockdown and changed it.
I wonder how much of our late season improvement was down to Walter's influence and telling Schumacher to be more pragmatic.
One things for sure it could be Rowett, Jones , MON or Alex Neill in charge and this message board looks exactly the same.
Taking into account our size, resources and wealth we can’t be far off the most under performing club in the league.
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Post by potterpaul on Aug 25, 2024 11:46:44 GMT
Whatever happens with SS we must learn from a continuing trend that has proved disastrous time and time again.
The next full-time coach/manager should be appointed after the season closes. The last 4 managers were appointed part way through a season and sacked for poor results and league position. The last manager appointed in the off-season was sacked purely because he was a fucking idiot, his results and league position on being sacked were actually the best we've seen since relegation.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 25, 2024 11:47:23 GMT
Another interesting point on the XG yesterday
Our second half XG was 0.35 - and that was made up in its entirety by Koumas hitting the post.
The only other attempt at goal was Lewis Baker's ridiculous Charlie Adam nonsense in the 87th minute.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 25, 2024 11:48:34 GMT
Hes got 1 week to save his job but it could be Walters fault for not doing what he is paid for. How's he got one week to save his job? |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 25, 2024 11:50:05 GMT
XG yesterday. 1.79 (us) 1.53 That doesn’t reflect the comments on here. West Brom will be top 8. Once we’ve sorted out the cohesion of the team by them playing together more and more (especially the back line and their command of the midfield) we should get better quite quickly. That's why XG is only a guide though. Over the 90 minutes, we were dreadful 0.82 (and some sites have got it as high as 0.92) of that was the Manhoef chance from the rebound, and the rest is Koumas' goal and 2 post hits. So around 1.3 of that happened in 2 seconds Corberan is a pretty conservative coach, and he just sat back and asked us to break them down at 2-1. And we didn't look like we had the first clue how to do it Dreadful but a draw wouldn't have been an unfair outcome... |
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Aug 25, 2024 11:53:12 GMT
Hes got 1 week to save his job but it could be Walters fault for not doing what he is paid for. Are you talking about the man who 10 days ago had won his last 5 competitive games and now he’s got a week to save his job? Laughable. You can't count the previous season when we had different (and better) players available. We won 2 in a row, one of those in the cup against a League Two team. We've now lost two league games in a row with very poor performances and lots of questionable tactical choices. His job isn't under threat yet obviously. But there are enough worrying signs with the tactical choices, after match comments which don't reflect what we all saw on the pitch and the general state of the squad to make serious concerns justified. |
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