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Post by CraigWally on Apr 22, 2024 17:00:33 GMT
He's out of his depth
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Post by auntiegeorge on Apr 22, 2024 17:00:45 GMT
If it's ever the club's intention to get promoted to the Premier League again then Schumacher is not the man.
If it's the club's intention to remain a below average Championship side then he could well have a future.
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Post by Roger Everyone on Apr 22, 2024 17:15:05 GMT
Happy to see him here next season, has done enough.
Yes he might have made a few mistakes but I believe he will get better in the job.
He is young and likeable and a good prospect.
If we sacked him, who would really come in ?
Needs to be given next season, and I think we will see an improvement for sure.
Good luck SS I am with you.
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Post by a on Apr 22, 2024 17:21:22 GMT
Depends if you listen to the excuses about the team. In terms of his tenure so far it’s been pretty awful. 1.17ppg is crap, there’s no argument to be had there for me. He’ll get a chance at next season, will he survive it? Unlikely unless that ppg stat greatly improves. Seems a likeable chap and I hope he does well for us, I just don’t see any signs of it yet bar a couple good results.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2024 17:40:54 GMT
Since he's come in, extrapolated over the season it's 56-57 point form isn't it?
Lower mid table?
There was a very bad run of 6 defeats or so that got us in this position but he stabilized things after that. During that run he put too much faith in some poor players and you can see he's learned his lesson and been more ruthless.
Stick with him, let him bring in a few players he can trust.
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Post by Old School Stokie on Apr 22, 2024 17:41:31 GMT
He’s been better than most. We never got the new manager bounce on any of our appointments - in fact there was a bounce with the appointment of Walter’s. There’s a good mix with JW & SS and judgement should be reserved until we see how the recruitment goes this summer and onwards - Rome wasn’t built in a day and let’s face it there’s a load of work to do when all the loans and contract expired players leave. He’s done a sound job with the tools he’s been given and let’s face it some of those players were right Tools! So well done so far and let’s see where we are in October
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Post by Gary Hackett on Apr 22, 2024 17:41:56 GMT
He inherited the worst defence I've seen in over 20 years and a bunch of strikers who just aren't good enough.
He's a decent bloke and he wants to play attacking football so I'm up for giving him the time to rebuild his own way in the summer.
We can't keep changing manager and I think we'll have a much better season if he can overhaul the defence and get in one or 2 forward players suited to his style of play.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Apr 22, 2024 17:47:49 GMT
When we’ve played well we’ve been good. Real signs of improvement in a lot of areas including the ability to fight back from going behind.
You need consistency in the team. He’s been a bit unlucky with injuries and suspensions (& Mmaees situation) but at the same time he’s made a lot of changes so he going into next season he needs to decide on what will be the core 7 or 8 players that will be playing a lot of games together and try to minimise changes for changes sake.
I like him though, I think things will be positive with him next season if we can get a few more players in.
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Post by milton58 on Apr 22, 2024 17:51:11 GMT
In ss we must trust....with Walters and possible Whelan being involved in the club we will be fine
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Post by AlliG on Apr 22, 2024 17:53:50 GMT
He inherited the worst defence I've seen in over 20 years and a bunch of strikers who just aren't good enough. He's a decent bloke and he wants to play attacking football so I'm up for giving him the time to rebuild his own way in the summer. We can't keep changing manager and I think we'll have a much better season if he can overhaul the defence and get in one or 2 forward players suited to his style of play. I think the fact that Hoever has scored more goals than any of our forwards in the 15 months or so he has been here shows just where the problem lies for any manager trying to build a team that wins regularly from our current squad of players. Recruitment in the summer is (yet again) going to be the main decider on how good or bad we will be next season. I am fed up of the amount of managerial changes, changes of approach and team re-builds over the past few years, so it is everything crossed from me that we have made the right appointment. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2024 17:53:55 GMT
I just wished people just wouldn't post stupid questions like this. The vast majority of people questioned have no idea about Schumacher! They have np personal experience of this manager on a day to day basis. They are not privy to this man doing his job. He has inherited players that were not his. There are clear signs of progress on the field of play. If this club is to progress it will definitely need its fans behind the club. Questions like this are unproductive and need binning! It's a discussion board and a very valid subject for a discussion board. I don't think you understand the concept all that well 🤣 |
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Post by spiderpuss on Apr 22, 2024 17:55:14 GMT
Christ knows what that means for Neil, Rowett or Jones. |
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Post by leicspotter on Apr 22, 2024 17:56:36 GMT
Said this to a Plymouth fan pre match: The big difference since SS came in has been the improved attitude from the players. If Neill had stayed we would have been relegated by now IMHO.
If he can maintain the improvement, and bring some players in to balance the squad, then we could be looking forward to a decent/good season...as long as stay up of course
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Post by leicspotter on Apr 22, 2024 17:56:56 GMT
Said this to a Plymouth fan pre match: The big difference since SS came in has been the improved attitude from the players. If Neill had stayed we would have been relegated by now IMHO.
If he can maintain the improvement, and bring some players in to balance the squad, then we could be looking forward to a decent/good season...as long as stay up of course
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Post by danceswithclams on Apr 22, 2024 17:58:07 GMT
In ss we must trust....with Walters and possible Whelan being involved in the club we will be fine Whelan? |
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Post by mrnovember on Apr 22, 2024 18:01:40 GMT
I'm coming round to him. I think the performances are improving, and I think he's beginning to extract value from some individuals that had previously given none.
It's tough because as a head coach he's only going to be as good as the recruitment team, so, if we fluff that side of things up in the summer, he's fighting a losing battle. That said, his job is to develop and organise the tools at his disposal. No different than managers in pretty much every other organisation. Has he met that brief far? Well he got off to a shocker in my opinion. One man's backbone for being strong in disciplinary matters is another man's naivety. I'm convinced that dumping Maaee from the squad was a mistake that has cost us points.
With regard to "shitting himself". I understand why the op might not buy into that, but I think it's just the way that it is phrased. You'd be hard pressed to defend some of the formations and team selections post Brum away and pre Hull. He was definitely floundering imo.
I'd like to give him the first 8-10 games next season and go from there I think. There is less 'optics' pressure on us not to make early sackings anymore with the new head coach structure.
Edit: Also fair play for quickly realising that Ty is not a back to goal type striker, something that Neil in particular seemed to struggle with.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Apr 22, 2024 18:05:35 GMT
I think he has done as well as expected with a shambles of a squad, we have some very good players but until recently it resembled a bunch of individuals rather than a team. He's also had to contend with Ricky Martin, a team that was plummeting towards relegation and playing dour football under Neil and a dysfunctional club that has been shambolic for the last 7 years. I suspect his remit was to keep us up and then push on. If we do stay up, which seems likely I think he deserves the chance to "push on" with us next season and hopefully extricate us from the bermuda triangle we've been paddling around since we came down. He's young, ambitious, obviously wants to play an expansive game when he has the tools to do it with and seems to have a bit of grit to go with it. l like him and it's a long while since I could say that of a Stoke manager. I doubt that, I wouldn’t have thought Coates or the majority of fans would have expected us to be battling relegation with two games to go |
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Post by milton58 on Apr 22, 2024 18:08:08 GMT
In ss we must trust....with Walters and possible Whelan being involved in the club we will be fine Whelan? wait and see |
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Post by redstriper on Apr 22, 2024 18:18:41 GMT
He's done enough to warrant a proper go next season for me. Team spirit and understanding looks much better then early season, the players are responding. If he can keep hold of bae and burger and build a team around them we will be top 6. A lot depends upon the striker situation being resolved, and a dominant centre back being recruited.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Apr 22, 2024 18:20:12 GMT
Far from convinced. I’d be tempted to roll the dice again in the summer. No idea who but from what we’ve seen since Dec no real change from any of the last few managers.
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Post by Marc01 on Apr 22, 2024 18:37:21 GMT
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Post by dirtygary69 on Apr 22, 2024 18:54:20 GMT
I think he's suffered with the bottom of the league being so ridiculously close. Any other season we'd be easily safe but instead we've had a few massive games which, overall, we've turned up for and in a few cases been excellent.
Post Norwich, other than Swansea, we've played well for the last month and there seems to be progress. I'm happy to keep him on and see what he builds, after a big wobble 5-6 weeks ago.
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Post by pavel on Apr 22, 2024 19:00:42 GMT
I think he has done as well as expected with a shambles of a squad, we have some very good players but until recently it resembled a bunch of individuals rather than a team. He's also had to contend with Ricky Martin, a team that was plummeting towards relegation and playing dour football under Neil and a dysfunctional club that has been shambolic for the last 7 years. I suspect his remit was to keep us up and then push on. If we do stay up, which seems likely I think he deserves the chance to "push on" with us next season and hopefully extricate us from the bermuda triangle we've been paddling around since we came down. He's young, ambitious, obviously wants to play an expansive game when he has the tools to do it with and seems to have a bit of grit to go with it. l like him and it's a long while since I could say that of a Stoke manager. I doubt that, I wouldn’t have thought Coates or the majority of fans would have expected us to be battling relegation with two games to go I think it was always a possibility with the mess Neil left behind and I don’t think the Coates family would have pulled the trigger if they didn’t think Neil was taking them there or it was a possibility. Anyway it’s good that we look like we’re staying up bar a catastrophe and makes a change from the doom and gloom of the last few months. |
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Post by mrcoke on Apr 22, 2024 19:15:47 GMT
I find myself changing my opinion as often a he changes the team.  Hard to judge him because he inherited a very disjointed squad. He also inherited a squad with very few goals in it, but it is not in his nature to go all defensive like Neil. Whilst frustrated by the quality of the football, I have enjoyed the matches more since he arrived. I'm sure we are safe now and I'm happy for him to keep the job and get rid of who he doesn't want to keep, and bring in some more effective players to complement those he wants to keep. That could depend a lot on Walters. Like some of the players he is still young enough to learn and improve his ability. We have quite a few players who could improve next season, hopefully Schuey can. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2024 19:54:24 GMT
Interesting. Shows a 17% uptick under Schumacher. And also shows that if we'd kept Neil (and assuming he carried on at the same PPG rate) we'd be in the bottom 3 right now. |
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Post by smallthorner on Apr 22, 2024 19:58:54 GMT
I find myself changing my opinion as often a he changes the team. Hard to judge him because he inherited a very disjointed squad. He also inherited a squad with very few goals in it, but it is not in his nature to go all defensive like Neil. Whilst frustrated by the quality of the football, I have enjoyed the matches more since he arrived. I'm sure we are safe now and I'm happy for him to keep the job and get rid of who he doesn't want to keep, and bring in some more effective players to complement those he wants to keep. That could depend a lot on Walters. Like some of the players he is still young enough to learn and improve his ability. We have quite a few players who could improve next season, hopefully Schuey can. Good summary 👍 |
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Post by onepara on Apr 22, 2024 20:00:39 GMT
We don't want another Manger who is learning on the job. He has no record of bossing higher than the Championship, & that is where we are aiming for. Higher than the Championship. I think that we should be looking for someone who will get us promoted, & can stay there with us. In other words, someone with Prem. pedigree. Flash the money, & there will be people who fill this job criteria. Schumacher will only get us so far in the Championship. That's if he's successful. We should be aiming for better than that. There you go. David Moyes. Where else would he go? |
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Post by onepara on Apr 22, 2024 20:02:08 GMT
Have Rowett or Neill been higher than the Championship? Remind me! Yes, much higher and regularly, compared to our best of 14th place since relegation. Rowett since he left, although he's the manager who's arguably most responsible for the mess we've been in for a few years. That's not higher than the Championship. Read what I wrote. |
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Post by lordb on Apr 22, 2024 20:19:46 GMT
I find myself changing my opinion as often a he changes the team. Hard to judge him because he inherited a very disjointed squad. He also inherited a squad with very few goals in it, but it is not in his nature to go all defensive like Neil. Whilst frustrated by the quality of the football, I have enjoyed the matches more since he arrived. I'm sure we are safe now and I'm happy for him to keep the job and get rid of who he doesn't want to keep, and bring in some more effective players to complement those he wants to keep. That could depend a lot on Walters. Like some of the players he is still young enough to learn and improve his ability. We have quite a few players who could improve next season, hopefully Schuey can. Young team, young manager, young Sporting Director Time for old gits like me to embrace that |
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Post by Marc01 on Apr 22, 2024 20:21:24 GMT
We don't want another Manger who is learning on the job. He has no record of bossing higher than the Championship, & that is where we are aiming for. Higher than the Championship. I think that we should be looking for someone who will get us promoted, & can stay there with us. In other words, someone with Prem. pedigree. Flash the money, & there will be people who fill this job criteria. Schumacher will only get us so far in the Championship. That's if he's successful. We should be aiming for better than that. There you go. David Moyes. Where else would he go? The last three managers to get us promoted to the top flight: Waddington: No previous management experience. Durban: One fourth tier promotion to his name when appointed. Pulis: One fourth tier promotion to his name when appointed. |
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