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Post by jm on Aug 24, 2024 18:50:10 GMT
Played ok. 2-2 would have been the fair result. West Brom defended well.
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Post by Trouserdog on Aug 24, 2024 18:51:32 GMT
How long's he been here now, and we're still flip-flopping between formations? Not even between games, every five bloody minutes!
First half today we were quite good going forward in the 3-4-1-2 he foisted upon us, but our wing backs, particularly Gooch on his wrong foot, got absolutely roasted. What was the point of changing it? We played 4-2-3-1 against Coventry and looked pretty good. Today we were disjointed, with players clearly unsure where to go.
Today's management performance was completely unacceptable. A bloke who's throwing mud at a wall and hoping something sticks.
What are the recruitment team supposed to recruit for when we're changing systems every few minutes? What's the actual plan?
There isn't one.
He won't get away with much more of this I'm afraid.
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Post by ceejays on Aug 24, 2024 18:58:43 GMT
Can’t agree with that analysis at all . We played 4-2-3-1 today but the problem in the first half was that the 3 (manhoef Junho and Gooch ) were too narrow affording wba oceans of space down the flanks. Manhoef in particular just left his wing constantly. Personally I’d have changed at half time . Take Gooch off. Junho to the wing and Moran in midfield- ie reverting to 433
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Post by ceejays on Aug 24, 2024 19:00:38 GMT
Schumacher got it wrong yes but for hitting the woodwork twice the match would have been more to everyone’s liking
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Post by mamathestriker on Aug 24, 2024 19:03:03 GMT
How long's he been here now, and we're still flip-flopping between formations? Not even between games, every five bloody minutes! First half today we were quite good going forward in the 3-4-1-2 he foisted upon us, but our wing backs, particularly Gooch on his wrong foot, got absolutely roasted. What was the point of changing it? We played 4-2-3-1 against Coventry and looked pretty good. Today we were disjointed, with players clearly unsure where to go. Today's management performance was completely unacceptable. A bloke who's throwing mud at a wall and hoping something sticks. What are the recruitment team supposed to recruit for when we're changing systems every few minutes? What's the actual plan? There isn't one. He won't get away with much more of this I'm afraid. It felt very much like an Nathan Jones performance today. When we saw the starting XI walking up to the game you pretty much knew what was coming. Add in the crap tactics and defeat was no surprise. We've got about 5 coaches yet look like we haven't a clue. As much as the starting XI was poor, tactically we're dreadful. It was only Walter's helping hand last season which saved him his job. SS the person, I really like. SS the manager, I'm still not sure. Next Saturday is huge. |
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Post by Clayton Wood on Aug 24, 2024 19:03:32 GMT
Schumacher got it wrong yes but for hitting the woodwork twice the match would have been more to everyone’s liking Aye and if my aunty had bollocks she'd be a boxer. |
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Post by ceejays on Aug 24, 2024 19:07:16 GMT
So witty . Not
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Aug 24, 2024 19:07:19 GMT
Schumacher got it wrong yes but for hitting the woodwork twice the match would have been more to everyone’s liking Aye and if my aunty had bollocks she'd be a boxer. If my Aunt had bollocks I'd pick her over most of that Stoke team. |
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Post by ceejays on Aug 24, 2024 19:09:25 GMT
Hmmm you’re a clever one eh ? If you can’t debate then be a tad more witty
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Post by march4 on Aug 24, 2024 19:19:54 GMT
We were up against the best manager in the division today and I’m afraid it showed. Why can't we find those kind of managers? He was standing right there today. Surely now is the time to poach him. |
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Post by Clayton Wood on Aug 24, 2024 19:22:34 GMT
Why can't we find those kind of managers? He was standing right there today. Surely now is the time to poach him. Who was? |
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Post by spoton on Aug 24, 2024 19:29:57 GMT
Can’t agree with that analysis at all . We played 4-2-3-1 today but the problem in the first half was that the 3 (manhoef Junho and Gooch ) were too narrow affording wba oceans of space down the flanks. Manhoef in particular just left his wing constantly. Personally I’d have changed at half time . Take Gooch off. Junho to the wing and Moran in midfield- ie reverting to 433 Would have done similar but to me Junho and Koumas play similar way down the left so unfortunately Junho would need to be left out, Koumas far better player and above anything else he's more of a goal threat |
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Post by smallthorner on Aug 24, 2024 20:15:02 GMT
Why can't we find those kind of managers? Because he’s called Carlos Corberan and not Carl Colclough. 😁 |
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Post by march4 on Aug 24, 2024 20:27:53 GMT
Lose the next two games this week and the pressure is going to build very quickly.
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Post by peepin on Aug 24, 2024 20:36:24 GMT
Lose the next two games this week and the pressure is going to build very quickly. Just seen him in Tesco Hanley, I’d say by the look of him the pressure is already well and truly on, he looked distraught. |
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Post by chinapotter on Aug 24, 2024 20:38:05 GMT
Lose the next two games this week and the pressure is going to build very quickly. Just seen him in Tesco Hanley, I’d say by the look of him the pressure is already well and truly on, he looked distraught. That’s just because they were out of oatcakes |
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Post by dirtygary69 on Aug 24, 2024 20:41:12 GMT
Notice in the interview he’s gone down the same road as others, where they tell you a completely different story than what happened on the pitch. Don’t do that Steve. We hit the post twice but we were not good.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 24, 2024 20:54:08 GMT
I agree about MON - nothing has improved since he left. Mind you for the good of his health it might have been the right thing for him. With regard the rest , I’m sorry but the progress you describe sounds glacial to me. Football isn’t like that and what’s more after one nearly 30 year spell of lower league football in my lifetime I ain’t got the scope for another 🙂 How many jobs has O’Neil been offered at championship level since he left stoke? Answer zero another shit manager. No he didn’t get rid of the so called bad apples, the club paid them off!!. I think you need to check his PPG record against any other manager in the last 25 years. Whilst you are at it consider these points 1. FFP 2. The young players he brought in (restricted due to FFP) where are they now 3. The absolute shit he inherited on and off the pitch. 4. He must have stood on the touch line for months in agony with his hip. Should he have been relieved of his duties? Well where are we now two managers on? Be thoughtful and show a bit style in constructive criticism |
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Post by baconburger on Aug 24, 2024 20:59:11 GMT
How many jobs has O’Neil been offered at championship level since he left stoke? Answer zero another shit manager. No he didn’t get rid of the so called bad apples, the club paid them off!!. I think you need to check his PPG record against any other manager in the last 25 years. Whilst you are at it consider these points 1. FFP 2. The young players he brought in (restricted due to FFP) where are they now 3. The absolute shit he inherited on and off the pitch. 4. He must have stood on the touch line for months in agony with his hip. Should he have been relieved of his duties? Well where are we now two managers on? Be thoughtful and show a bit style in constructive criticism He did an enormous amount of good but had some bat shit ideas about championship football, in particular the need to field combative midfield players. Oh for one of them that doesn’t harbour some bonkers idea, is it really too much to ask?? |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 24, 2024 21:02:43 GMT
How long's he been here now, and we're still flip-flopping between formations? Not even between games, every five bloody minutes! First half today we were quite good going forward in the 3-4-1-2 he foisted upon us, but our wing backs, particularly Gooch on his wrong foot, got absolutely roasted. What was the point of changing it? We played 4-2-3-1 against Coventry and looked pretty good. Today we were disjointed, with players clearly unsure where to go. Today's management performance was completely unacceptable. A bloke who's throwing mud at a wall and hoping something sticks. What are the recruitment team supposed to recruit for when we're changing systems every few minutes? What's the actual plan? There isn't one. He won't get away with much more of this I'm afraid. It felt very much like an Nathan Jones performance today. When we saw the starting XI walking up to the game you pretty much knew what was coming. Add in the crap tactics and defeat was no surprise. We've got about 5 coaches yet look like we haven't a clue. As much as the starting XI was poor, tactically we're dreadful. It was only Walter's helping hand last season which saved him his job. SS the person, I really like. SS the manager, I'm still not sure. Next Saturday is huge. Did you predict hitting the post twice too? |
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Post by a on Aug 24, 2024 21:09:37 GMT
Everyone relax.
Koumas looked exceptional.
Yes the defence needs drilling.
We have the genesis of an ok team.
We are 14-20th. That’s our lot. Accept it and we can all move forward. We’re pretty crap, that’s us, if you expect more then unlucky.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Aug 24, 2024 21:17:45 GMT
Everyone relax. Koumas looked exceptional. Yes the defence needs drilling. We have the genesis of an ok team. We are 14-20th. That’s our lot. Accept it and we can all move forward. We’re pretty crap, that’s us, if you expect more then unlucky. If you accept that’s what we are, then it’s a dangerous road to go down. There is no excuse for us to be that bad or accept being so. Other clubs have made a decent fist of this league without being anything special. We can’t have another season of being crap. Don’t expect us to win the league but accepting 14th - 20th? Nah. Next stop after that is down into League One. |
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Post by a on Aug 24, 2024 21:28:31 GMT
Everyone relax. Koumas looked exceptional. Yes the defence needs drilling. We have the genesis of an ok team. We are 14-20th. That’s our lot. Accept it and we can all move forward. We’re pretty crap, that’s us, if you expect more then unlucky. If you accept that’s what we are, then it’s a dangerous road to go down. There is no excuse for us to be that bad or accept being so. Other clubs have made a decent fist of this league without being anything special. We can’t have another season of being crap. Don’t expect us to win the league but accepting 14th - 20th? Nah. Next stop after that is down into League One. Thats reality mate |
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Post by spoton on Aug 24, 2024 21:29:48 GMT
Everyone relax. Koumas looked exceptional. Yes the defence needs drilling. We have the genesis of an ok team. We are 14-20th. That’s our lot. Accept it and we can all move forward. We’re pretty crap, that’s us, if you expect more then unlucky. If you accept that’s what we are, then it’s a dangerous road to go down. There is no excuse for us to be that bad or accept being so. Other clubs have made a decent fist of this league without being anything special. We can’t have another season of being crap. Don’t expect us to win the league but accepting 14th - 20th? Nah. Next stop after that is down into League One. Totally agree we should not expect this shit, just look at Sunderland last season sold their top striker,sack their manager and don't jump in but wait until close season their recruitment seems to be very good, just sold their best asset for 20mill and are top of the league playing very good football, their fans would not except shit so why should we |
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Post by danceswithclams on Aug 24, 2024 21:30:38 GMT
Everyone relax. Koumas looked exceptional. Yes the defence needs drilling. We have the genesis of an ok team. We are 14-20th. That’s our lot. Accept it and we can all move forward. We’re pretty crap, that’s us, if you expect more then unlucky. This is perhaps the most depressing thing I've ever read on here*. "Don't worry folks, it possibly, maybe, at a push, looks as though we might eventually be vaguely adequate, and what more could we want?" *including all the fuckheaded racism on the other board |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2024 21:36:14 GMT
Everyone relax. Koumas looked exceptional. Yes the defence needs drilling. We have the genesis of an ok team. We are 14-20th. That’s our lot. Accept it and we can all move forward. We’re pretty crap, that’s us, if you expect more then unlucky. If you accept that’s what we are, then it’s a dangerous road to go down. There is no excuse for us to be that bad or accept being so. Other clubs have made a decent fist of this league without being anything special. We can’t have another season of being crap. Don’t expect us to win the league but accepting 14th - 20th? Nah. Next stop after that is down into League One. We don't have a choice. We have a super rich owner that can't spend money, and if he could would continue to make the same mistakes he does currently. Accepting it doesn't mean you endorse it, but we have to be honest with ourselves. League One in the next few years looks like a serious possibility. We're going to struggle this season without a minor miracle in the next week or so. The possibility of a new manager again before we stick a firelighter up Guy Fawkes' arse is again quite high. It's depressing and self defeating but it's only what we've been conditioned to over the last 6/7 years and if we look at ourselves in the mirror and be brutally honest there is very little to be positive about it changing in the near future. |
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Post by dirtclod on Aug 24, 2024 21:38:13 GMT
This is stupid - having a "verdict" after every single match. FFS then let's just Watford it and have the "Manager of the Week."
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Post by loosestools on Aug 24, 2024 21:49:49 GMT
Wild man Corboran was active during the entire 90 minutes, directing his team on what he wanted them to do, he had a plan and executed it with perfection. Our man stood with his hands in his pockets. Yes they were a team of giants who had been force fed in a polytunnel but they were beatable, we ran out of ideas and the subs and changes in formation were baffling, What is his plan? He's got to get his shit sorted p.d.q. The players he has got are not bad players and there are glimpses of a good side but they are getting continually smashed in midfield by strength and fitness of other teams. It has to stop, because that is what the Championship is all about - power, strength and simplicity with a little bit of stardust up front.
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Post by baconburger on Aug 24, 2024 21:55:06 GMT
If you accept that’s what we are, then it’s a dangerous road to go down. There is no excuse for us to be that bad or accept being so. Other clubs have made a decent fist of this league without being anything special. We can’t have another season of being crap. Don’t expect us to win the league but accepting 14th - 20th? Nah. Next stop after that is down into League One. We don't have a choice. We have a super rich owner that can't spend money, and if he could would continue to make the same mistakes he does currently. Accepting it doesn't mean you endorse it, but we have to be honest with ourselves. League One in the next few years looks like a serious possibility. We're going to struggle this season without a minor miracle in the next week or so. The possibility of a new manager again before we stick a firelighter up Guy Fawkes' arse is again quite high. It's depressing and self defeating but it's only what we've been conditioned to over the last 6/7 years and if we look at ourselves in the mirror and be brutally honest there is very little to be positive about it changing in the near future. JC certainly seems to think changing titles is a solution. His lip service changes to the management structure are quite bizarre. There is a complete lack of clarity about the direction and ethos of the club or any sign that all the management team are locked into the same vision. It’s quite painful waiting for the axe to fall on Schumacher so the other highly titled entities have nowhere left to hide. No parties are blameless, I’m just waiting for the next squad meeting where the players say we’re sick of these bat shit tactics and Jon agrees with us. |
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Post by pistol on Aug 24, 2024 21:58:08 GMT
We really should be seeing some kind of identity for the team by now but it seems to be lacking still. When the window closes he has to be seen to shape the players he has into a formation and team otherwise questions are going to rightly be asked. Jury still out for me given he was hardly doing great with Plymouth when we took him. Incidentally, can’t wait to be at Home Park next week to watch us become Wayne Rooney’s first league victory
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