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Post by smallthorner on Aug 24, 2024 17:27:53 GMT
Terrible starting line up, vacant tactics, ridiculous inverted full backs again (at one point in the second half Bocat and Junior were inside left and inside right on the edge of their box). He never responds at all to tactical changes by the opposition and it is so, so easy to beat us. He's starting to get outcoached on a regular basis and all he has to do is play a simple game of football. Please Stephen, just change it. On another note he's clearly been let down by recruitment. The squad is just so unbalanced at the moment and looks like it is a good 5 signings away from being complete. Agree. Stop trying to be a Pep. Get working on a consistent system that players can identify.. More muscle needed. More basic movement coaching (see baggies) Striker and RB a must. |
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Post by chris061 on Aug 24, 2024 17:28:41 GMT
Most of the young players who are likely to play regularly this season are on loan. How does this benefit us long term - they won’t be here next season ? There seems to be loads of muddled thinking going on at the club . It’s not one season planning is it. Sign younger players, show we can develop them, then be able to attract younger players to sign for us permanently in the future. We all know with FFP you have to create value somehow to allow progress. You have to start somewhere and Walters has regularly talked about building something that will take time. My preferred manager was MON, he really worked with the limitations we had and played football to suit those players when we had very little to spend. Players were developing, we were progressing (slowly) and were stabilising. No sooner had we got money to spend he got sacked. Mental. So generally it’s just really frustrating to always be looking to sack the manager when most (not all) success is based upon persistency and consistency. Schumachers vision of football is aggressive, high octane football. It’s about committing men forward and accepting mistakes will happen, but it’s his style. Move away from him we then have another few seasons of shipping players out and going through a restart and all it means is we go no where. |
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Post by gingerninja on Aug 24, 2024 17:32:39 GMT
When he has been asked about recruitment, he has said it's been ok, suggests to me that he hasn't been impressed with it.
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Post by wuzza on Aug 24, 2024 17:33:11 GMT
Most of the young players who are likely to play regularly this season are on loan. How does this benefit us long term - they won’t be here next season ? There seems to be loads of muddled thinking going on at the club . It’s not one season planning is it. Sign younger players, show we can develop them, then be able to attract younger players to sign for us permanently in the future. We all know with FFP you have to create value somehow to allow progress. You have to start somewhere and Walters has regularly talked about building something that will take time. My preferred manager was MON, he really worked with the limitations we had and played football to suit those players when we had very little to spend. Players were developing, we were progressing (slowly) and were stabilising. No sooner had we got money to spend he got sacked. Mental. So generally it’s just really frustrating to always be looking to sack the manager when most (not all) success is based upon persistency and consistency. Schumachers vision of football is aggressive, high octane football. It’s about committing men forward and accepting mistakes will happen, but it’s his style. Move away from him we then have another few seasons of shipping players out and going through a restart and all it means is we go no where. I agree about MON - nothing has improved since he left. Mind you for the good of his health it might have been the right thing for him. With regard the rest , I’m sorry but the progress you describe sounds glacial to me. Football isn’t like that and what’s more after one nearly 30 year spell of lower league football in my lifetime I ain’t got the scope for another 🙂 |
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Post by SuperRickyFuller on Aug 24, 2024 17:36:02 GMT
Doesn't help himself with how he set us up with that 5 at the back bollocks with a number of players out of position.
What's staggering is that if we took our chances we would've won 3-2 today which is absolutely unreal given how poor I thought we were for the majority of the game.
But is that a positive? We played so bad that if we put our chances away we would've won 3-2?
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Post by premieraj on Aug 24, 2024 17:37:38 GMT
Doesn't help himself with how he set us up with that 5 at the back bollocks with a number of players out of position. What's staggering is that if we took our chances we would've won 3-2 today which is absolutely unreal given how poor I thought we were for the majority of the game. But is that a positive? We played so bad that if we put our chances away we would've won 3-2? Kind of agree but if you reflect back without trying to find any positives they won at a canter…. |
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Post by Pirate on Aug 24, 2024 17:37:39 GMT
Just to many holes in the playing staff to sort in a week, Laurent & Thompson must be one of the worst pairs in the division, fullbacks look atrocious, Million looks a shadow of the player we saw in spurts last season.
Hard to believe that we actually look like we have regressed but it seems we have.
I dont think the manager will last long enough to see Lawal & Gallagher available for selection.
A number 9 will not be the magic bullet we hoped based off what i have seen so far this season.
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Post by SuperRickyFuller on Aug 24, 2024 17:43:57 GMT
Doesn't help himself with how he set us up with that 5 at the back bollocks with a number of players out of position. What's staggering is that if we took our chances we would've won 3-2 today which is absolutely unreal given how poor I thought we were for the majority of the game. But is that a positive? We played so bad that if we put our chances away we would've won 3-2? Kind of agree but if you reflect back without trying to find any positives they won at a canter…. It felt like they did but they didn't because, as I say, if we put our chances away then we win 3-2. But I do feel like they beat us easily. I'm really conflicted after today. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2024 17:46:02 GMT
On another note he's clearly been let down by recruitment. The squad is just so unbalanced at the moment and looks like it is a good 5 signings away from being complete. I personally believe this is the overriding issue. No goalscoring striker signed (Let's not talk about Sam Gallagher) No senior RB signed All the talk of having a lean and hungry squad and we've only sold Mehdi Leris. Baker and DJ are clearly surplus to requirements but the manger is forced to bring them on. Gooch isn't good enough to be starting on the wing. Not absolving SS of all blame. The 5 at the back today just didn't work, we should have switched it earlier and I have no idea what shape we tried at the end, shades of shite being slung at the wall. It's a double edged sword. Recruitment for me has not been anywhere near good enough overall. What the manager has at his disposal he isn't using anywhere near properly enough. Let's have it right, his starting line up today was a broadside at the recruitment team re. Striker. Well done, point made. |
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Post by potterfox1011 on Aug 24, 2024 17:51:22 GMT
Doesn't help himself with how he set us up with that 5 at the back bollocks with a number of players out of position. What's staggering is that if we took our chances we would've won 3-2 today which is absolutely unreal given how poor I thought we were for the majority of the game. But is that a positive? We played so bad that if we put our chances away we would've won 3-2? Kind of agree but if you reflect back without trying to find any positives they won at a canter…. worrying to think that SS thought we were OK and unlucky to get anything out of the game that sort of blinkered thinking is infuriating |
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Post by milky on Aug 24, 2024 17:52:09 GMT
It's early days and no need to panic .
However...the substitutions were all over the place and effectively sealed the defeat.Playing Gooch on the left again after last week was also madness and 1st half today he was horrific.
If he ends up getting schooled by Rooney next week things could get uncomfortable for him and like last season he will need to pull a few rabbits out of the hat.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Aug 24, 2024 17:54:51 GMT
Kind of agree but if you reflect back without trying to find any positives they won at a canter…. worrying to think that SS thought we were OK and unlucky to get anything out of the game that sort of blinkered thinking is infuriating Or gets you a £1 pay out |
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Post by collo68 on Aug 24, 2024 17:58:51 GMT
Kind of agree but if you reflect back without trying to find any positives they won at a canter…. worrying to think that SS thought we were OK and unlucky to get anything out of the game that sort of blinkered thinking is infuriating We hit the post twice and Million missed an open goal so we should of got something from the game |
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Post by dirtygary69 on Aug 24, 2024 18:01:13 GMT
It's early days and no need to panic . However...the substitutions were all over the place and effectively sealed the defeat.Playing Gooch on the left again after last week was also madness and 1st half today he was horrific. If he ends up getting schooled by Rooney next week things could get uncomfortable for him and like last season he will need to pull a few rabbits out of the hat. I made this point at the game. We had changes to make that could affect the game, but I’m not sure making 5 changes helps overall. It’s half a side of players not up to speed. I know they did the same, but the last 10 minutes especially was complete shit. The introduction of Baker was not a good one, absolutely killed us and some of his play was terrible. 5 subs just means you throw any old shit at it in desperation. Might work on the off chance, but don’t think it’s a great thing overall. |
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 24, 2024 18:04:43 GMT
Terrible starting line up, vacant tactics, ridiculous inverted full backs again (at one point in the second half Bocat and Junior were inside left and inside right on the edge of their box). He never responds at all to tactical changes by the opposition and it is so, so easy to beat us. He's starting to get outcoached on a regular basis and all he has to do is play a simple game of football. Please Stephen, just change it. On another note he's clearly been let down by recruitment. The squad is just so unbalanced at the moment and looks like it is a good 5 signings away from being complete. Agree. Stop trying to be a Pep. Get working on a consistent system that players can identify.. More muscle needed. More basic movement coaching (see baggies) Striker and RB a must. Agree, he's trying to be a tactical maestro and is totally confusing the players. Stop trying to be so fucking clever and start with proper full backs doing a basic full back job. That second half performance was shocking and once he'd made the substitutions descended into an absolute shambles. |
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Post by stokest5 on Aug 24, 2024 18:06:36 GMT
worrying to think that SS thought we were OK and unlucky to get anything out of the game that sort of blinkered thinking is infuriating We hit the post twice and Million missed an open goal so we should of got something from the game The fact we missed an open goal and hit the post twice tells me the opposite. Poor overall performance we deserved what we got. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 24, 2024 18:09:19 GMT
I’m a big Schumacher fan but his last 2 post match interviews worry me greatly🤔
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Post by minnierover on Aug 24, 2024 18:10:03 GMT
We hit the post twice and Million missed an open goal so we should of got something from the game The fact we missed an open goal and hit the post twice tells me the opposite. Poor overall performance we deserved what we got. This really. Yes we had chances but Albion had more shots and more on target and more possession. They did a job on us and controlled the game. They opened us up at will and should have been out of sight at one point. |
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Post by questionable on Aug 24, 2024 18:19:17 GMT
I’m a big Schumacher fan but his last 2 post match interviews worry me greatly🤔 I can’t honestly see what’s to like mate on a footballing front, totally out of his depth. He’s had half a season and two transfer windows and benefited from a full preseason and we look far worse. Today was the final straw for me with him in charge, as I’ve said it was something you’ll see at any lads n dads match tomorrow, chaos management at its very highest and guess work from the very off |
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Post by premieraj on Aug 24, 2024 18:22:24 GMT
I’m a big Schumacher fan but his last 2 post match interviews worry me greatly🤔 I absolutely agree but I guess he had to put a positive spin on it for now? Neil did the same until it became untenable? He may go the same way unless we have a good last week of the window! I really want him to do well like all Stoke managers but he has to look at himself too today as last week? |
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Post by march4 on Aug 24, 2024 18:25:15 GMT
We were up against the best manager in the division today and I’m afraid it showed.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 24, 2024 18:25:47 GMT
I’m a big Schumacher fan but his last 2 post match interviews worry me greatly🤔 I can’t honestly see what’s to like mate on a footballing front, totally out of his depth. He’s had half a season and two transfer windows and benefited from a full preseason and we look far worse. Today was the final straw for me with him in charge, as I’ve said it was something you’ll see at any lads n dads match tomorrow, chaos management at its very highest and guess work from the very off I think that’s very harsh mate but that’s your opinion,I’m still confident that when we get a full team out with no injuries we’ll compete very well in this league.People may laugh at this but I think we’re missing Cundle who linked the play superbly at the end of last season |
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Post by spoton on Aug 24, 2024 18:29:10 GMT
I’m a big Schumacher fan but his last 2 post match interviews worry me greatly🤔 I can’t honestly see what’s to like mate on a footballing front, totally out of his depth. He’s had half a season and two transfer windows and benefited from a full preseason and we look far worse. Today was the final straw for me with him in charge, as I’ve said it was something you’ll see at any lads n dads match tomorrow, chaos management at its very highest and guess work from the very off Totally agree he's not good enough to manage non league |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Aug 24, 2024 18:29:10 GMT
Seems like a nice guy but it feels like the jobs to big for him and like Neil once we have a bad defeat he goes instantly on the back foot.
I don’t think he trusts his defence.
I’d give him till Christmas and if there’s no improvement we need to get someone who can utilise what isn’t a bad squad and won’t revert to Gooch, Laurent and Thompson as their go top’s.
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Post by cdlstoke on Aug 24, 2024 18:30:26 GMT
It’s not one season planning is it. Sign younger players, show we can develop them, then be able to attract younger players to sign for us permanently in the future. We all know with FFP you have to create value somehow to allow progress. You have to start somewhere and Walters has regularly talked about building something that will take time. My preferred manager was MON, he really worked with the limitations we had and played football to suit those players when we had very little to spend. Players were developing, we were progressing (slowly) and were stabilising. No sooner had we got money to spend he got sacked. Mental. So generally it’s just really frustrating to always be looking to sack the manager when most (not all) success is based upon persistency and consistency. Schumachers vision of football is aggressive, high octane football. It’s about committing men forward and accepting mistakes will happen, but it’s his style. Move away from him we then have another few seasons of shipping players out and going through a restart and all it means is we go no where. I agree about MON - nothing has improved since he left. Mind you for the good of his health it might have been the right thing for him. With regard the rest , I’m sorry but the progress you describe sounds glacial to me. Football isn’t like that and what’s more after one nearly 30 year spell of lower league football in my lifetime I ain’t got the scope for another 🙂 How many jobs has O’Neil been offered at championship level since he left stoke? Answer zero another shit manager. No he didn’t get rid of the so called bad apples, the club paid them off!!. |
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Post by wazbagsbro on Aug 24, 2024 18:33:53 GMT
Seems like a nice guy but it feels like the jobs to big for him and like Neil once we have a bad defeat he goes instantly on the back foot. I don’t think he trusts his defence. I’d give him till Christmas and if there’s no improvement we need to get someone who can utilise what isn’t a bad squad and won’t revert to Gooch, Laurent and Thompson as their go top’s. That would be "copy, paste, repeat" at its finest |
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Post by citynickscfc on Aug 24, 2024 18:35:45 GMT
I agree about MON - nothing has improved since he left. Mind you for the good of his health it might have been the right thing for him. With regard the rest , I’m sorry but the progress you describe sounds glacial to me. Football isn’t like that and what’s more after one nearly 30 year spell of lower league football in my lifetime I ain’t got the scope for another 🙂 How many jobs has O’Neil been offered at championship level since he left stoke? Answer zero another shit manager. No he didn’t get rid of the so called bad apples, the club paid them off!!. We don't really know the answer to that do we? He probably isn't interested in managing in the championship. It is chaotic, full of shite clubs (sorry, but we are definitely one of them), and so many problems. 2 game weeks and constant training. I think he probably stagnated and got bored of it all in the end too, especially with FFp making a laughing stock of the league. He's probably very happy being back at his old job |
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Post by thestokielad on Aug 24, 2024 18:36:25 GMT
If we're 17th or below come January then fuck him off. He hasn't done too bad so far but something needs to be done about the striker situation
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Aug 24, 2024 18:38:41 GMT
We were up against the best manager in the division today and I’m afraid it showed. Why can't we find those kind of managers? |
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Aug 24, 2024 18:45:30 GMT
We were up against the best manager in the division today and I’m afraid it showed. Why can't we find those kind of managers? Because he’s called Carlos Corberan and not Carl Colclough. |
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