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Post by citynickscfc on Aug 24, 2024 16:25:12 GMT
Personally I think it will still come good this year, Plymouth fans on twitter still talk about how good he was, plus he’s got lawal to come into the side, get a forward who knows where the net is with million and Koumas either side with bae just behind, we will be pushing the top 10 imo, this ain’t the finished side, we probably need a striker and a full back and we will be up there Crazy assertions based on nothing The entire defence? Goalkeeper? The centre of midfield? No formation? |
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Post by citynickscfc on Aug 24, 2024 16:26:20 GMT
We may as well just hire a manager and then sack them straight away. They’ll be shit. Is really difficult for all the players and manager at the moment, they know they will get lynched if they make mistakes or lose which makes it more likely to happen. They didn't make the effort and we had no formation or cohesion? What is the vision here? I don't think it's asking too much to see things and question what we are seeing??? |
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Post by GrahamHyde on Aug 24, 2024 16:26:53 GMT
The worrying thing is it looks like we don't know what the plan actually is.
I was really optimistic going into the close season, all of the talk about good we'd be after a full pre-season.
We've contrived to become worse in all positions. Dreadful recruitment.
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Post by stokesaint1 on Aug 24, 2024 16:27:06 GMT
Having listened to his after match interview, he watched a different game to me. Open your bloody eyes, accept you got it totally wrong and realise it needs major surgery this week, or else.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Aug 24, 2024 16:37:31 GMT
Got it horribly wrong today
Tried to overthink it v an ordinary West Brom team
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Post by southernish on Aug 24, 2024 16:38:10 GMT
Not sure if anyone has seen, but Nathan Jones' Charlton have started with 3 wins from 3 in League 1. Shame we couldn't have got that side of NJ when we had him. Think Schumacher needs to take some notes as once again we were tactically inept and in midfield, were absolutely wiped out.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Aug 24, 2024 16:38:10 GMT
Having listened to his after match interview, he watched a different game to me. Open your bloody eyes, accept you got it totally wrong and realise it needs major surgery this week, or else. Doesn’t seem to like to take the blame. |
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Post by premieraj on Aug 24, 2024 16:38:20 GMT
Having listened to his after match interview, he watched a different game to me. Open your bloody eyes, accept you got it totally wrong and realise it needs major surgery this week, or else. What did he say? |
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Post by wuzza on Aug 24, 2024 16:38:53 GMT
Like a few of his predecessors it looks like SCFC is going to be this manager’s first real taste of failure - how he copes in the coming couple of months will tell us everything we need to know.
I’ve a nasty feeling this going to get ugly again before Xmas.
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Post by stokiejoe on Aug 24, 2024 16:39:52 GMT
Needs to decide how ge wants to set out the team and stick to it
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Post by southernish on Aug 24, 2024 16:40:09 GMT
Like a few of his predecessors it looks like SCFC is going to be this manager’s first real taste of failure - how he copes in the coming couple of months will tell us everything we need to know. I’ve a nasty feeling this going to get ugly again before Xmas. I don't understand why we've become a place for promising managers to commit near career suicide. Got to wonder where the club is rotten as otherwise we will never get out of this mess. |
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Post by scfcno1fan on Aug 24, 2024 16:47:58 GMT
What I don’t understand is has SS not looked at and tried to learn from the failings of our past 3-4 managers?
Moving to an ill fated 3 at the back has undone manager after manager here and in some cases has led to their downfall.
It just wasn’t required today.
It’s never required.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Aug 24, 2024 16:50:49 GMT
What I don’t understand is has SS not looked at and tried to learn from the failings of our past 3-4 managers? Moving to an ill fated 3 at the back has undone manager after manager here and in some cases has led to their downfall. It just wasn’t required today. It’s never required. Especially when you don’t have the players to play it properly |
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Post by nonameface on Aug 24, 2024 16:50:59 GMT
We may as well just hire a manager and then sack them straight away. They’ll be shit. Is really difficult for all the players and manager at the moment, they know they will get lynched if they make mistakes or lose which makes it more likely to happen. They didn't make the effort and we had no formation or cohesion? What is the vision here? I don't think it's asking too much to see things and question what we are seeing??? Think that’s unfair. We lost by one goal against a team that will be top half and who have been better than us for ages. The players went off the pitch to boos in our second home game of the season. Seriously that’s mental, a little unhinged. Cohesion is going to be difficult with a backline that doesn’t know each other, how many partnerships are there from last season? He put Koumas through the middle and it worked and he easily could have had a hat trick, it’s not often a player hits the post twice in a game. Vision; we clearly are trying to create a young team that can be built together into a team that will be better in a couple of years. It’s not great, but we HAVE to be patient. The clubs marketing with “Stronger together” is really deliberate. Fair to ask questions, but we need to be mindful of our impact to the team or else we may be like Ipswich who had to get relegated again and stay outside the top flight for 20+ years. |
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Post by citynickscfc on Aug 24, 2024 16:52:23 GMT
What I don’t understand is has SS not looked at and tried to learn from the failings of our past 3-4 managers? Moving to an ill fated 3 at the back has undone manager after manager here and in some cases has led to their downfall. It just wasn’t required today. It’s never required. Isn't the pattern what happens? Pressure on the manager (self applied? Or from the top?) then we get and good hammering or make the kind of comedy errors we've seen over the last 4 years), then lose all trust in the defence (coach not trusting players), moving to 5 at the back, hoping for 1-0, 1-1 etc and calling it close. Manager is all over the place. Think he has no idea what the plan is either. |
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Post by s7oke on Aug 24, 2024 16:53:52 GMT
Be ok running around for the venkys
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Post by chuckrocky on Aug 24, 2024 16:54:36 GMT
That was hugely concerning today. It was apparent after five minutes that he’d got it tactically wrong but he waited until their inevitable goal before changing it.
Watching our players have a meeting after their first goal and all looking completely bemused wasn’t a good look for the manager at all.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Aug 24, 2024 16:55:48 GMT
They didn't make the effort and we had no formation or cohesion? What is the vision here? I don't think it's asking too much to see things and question what we are seeing??? Think that’s unfair. We lost by one goal against a team that will be top half and who have been better than us for ages. The players went off the pitch to boos in our second home game of the season. Seriously that’s mental, a little unhinged. Cohesion is going to be difficult with a backline that doesn’t know each other, how many partnerships are there from last season? He put Koumas through the middle and it worked and he easily could have had a hat trick, it’s not often a player hits the post twice in a game. Vision; we clearly are trying to create a young team that can be built together into a team that will be better in a couple of years. It’s not great, but we HAVE to be patient. The clubs marketing with “Stronger together” is really deliberate. Fair to ask questions, but we need to be mindful of our impact to the team or else we may be like Ipswich who had to get relegated again and stay outside the top flight for 20+ years. Sorry but I think you “vision” piece is a wishy washy generalisation. What’s the vision to help improve us on the pitch Saying we’re gathering a load of youngsters is just nonsense. I’d like to see some footballing vision or regardless of age |
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Post by wuzza on Aug 24, 2024 16:56:45 GMT
They didn't make the effort and we had no formation or cohesion? What is the vision here? I don't think it's asking too much to see things and question what we are seeing??? Think that’s unfair. We lost by one goal against a team that will be top half and who have been better than us for ages. The players went off the pitch to boos in our second home game of the season. Seriously that’s mental, a little unhinged. Cohesion is going to be difficult with a backline that doesn’t know each other, how many partnerships are there from last season? He put Koumas through the middle and it worked and he easily could have had a hat trick, it’s not often a player hits the post twice in a game. Vision; we clearly are trying to create a young team that can be built together into a team that will be better in a couple of years. It’s not great, but we HAVE to be patient. The clubs marketing with “Stronger together” is really deliberate. Fair to ask questions, but we need to be mindful of our impact to the team or else we may be like Ipswich who had to get relegated again and stay outside the top flight for 20+ years. Most of the young players who are likely to play regularly this season are on loan. How does this benefit us long term - they won’t be here next season ? There seems to be loads of muddled thinking going on at the club . |
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Aug 24, 2024 16:59:28 GMT
No plan the players look not interested its a huge mess which could look even worse by next Saturday night.
2 very hard away games coming up Boro in the cup then Rooneys Plymouth.
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Post by potterfox1011 on Aug 24, 2024 17:01:26 GMT
Like a few of his predecessors it looks like SCFC is going to be this manager’s first real taste of failure - how he copes in the coming couple of months will tell us everything we need to know. I’ve a nasty feeling this going to get ugly again before Xmas. I don't understand why we've become a place for promising managers to commit near career suicide. Got to wonder where the club is rotten as otherwise we will never get out of this mess. this is his team now Coates did t pick the team or tactics,to still be playing willmot,laurent,gooch,and Thompson every game is unforgiveable. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2024 17:05:45 GMT
Terrible starting line up, vacant tactics, ridiculous inverted full backs again (at one point in the second half Bocat and Junior were inside left and inside right on the edge of their box).
He never responds at all to tactical changes by the opposition and it is so, so easy to beat us.
He's starting to get outcoached on a regular basis and all he has to do is play a simple game of football.
Please Stephen, just change it.
On another note he's clearly been let down by recruitment. The squad is just so unbalanced at the moment and looks like it is a good 5 signings away from being complete.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Aug 24, 2024 17:08:17 GMT
Iff SS gets sacked,we need a foreign manager to come in.
But we know Johnboy will bring in another no mark Brit.rince & repeat.
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Post by premieraj on Aug 24, 2024 17:10:38 GMT
Terrible starting line up, vacant tactics, ridiculous inverted full backs again (at one point in the second half Bocat and Junior were inside left and inside right on the edge of their box). He never responds at all to tactical changes by the opposition and it is so, so easy to beat us. He's starting to get outcoached on a regular basis and all he has to do is play a simple game of football. Please Stephen, just change it. On another note he's clearly been let down by recruitment. The squad is just so unbalanced at the moment and looks like it is a good 5 signings away from being complete. We certainly seem to be paying for his leaning so long as he does! Wouldn’t it be nice if we could come in after saying he’d won a tactical battle? We all called for a change of formation second half last week but it felt like he bottled it with the formation today? Let’s wait. And see what next week bring? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2024 17:10:54 GMT
Iff SS gets sacked,we need a foreign manager to come in. But we know Johnboy will bring in another no mark.rince & repeat. If Schumacher gets the sack the next manager will be Charlie Adam. Mark my words. |
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Post by stokie1947 on Aug 24, 2024 17:12:32 GMT
really going off this guy tactics were shocking today our best forward and chance of getting a goal he moved to the left was even left back at times he needs to start getting tactics right or we are in for a long season AGAIN!!!!!
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Post by spoton on Aug 24, 2024 17:12:58 GMT
He's not good enough to manage a non league team totally totally crap
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Post by DC1863 on Aug 24, 2024 17:18:56 GMT
On another note he's clearly been let down by recruitment. The squad is just so unbalanced at the moment and looks like it is a good 5 signings away from being complete. I personally believe this is the overriding issue. No goalscoring striker signed (Let's not talk about Sam Gallagher) No senior RB signed All the talk of having a lean and hungry squad and we've only sold Mehdi Leris. Baker and DJ are clearly surplus to requirements but the manger is forced to bring them on. Gooch isn't good enough to be starting on the wing. Not absolving SS of all blame. The 5 at the back today just didn't work, we should have switched it earlier and I have no idea what shape we tried at the end, shades of shite being slung at the wall. |
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Post by stokief on Aug 24, 2024 17:23:30 GMT
As much as I want it to work for him (and for us) I said when he was appointed that I felt he would be out of his depth at a Club with so much to sort out and I truely believe that he is. Did I dream that as we brushed with the very real threat of relegation that he and the players 'decided' to change tack and it at least meant we avoided the drop?! He shouldn't have needed the players to tell him he should have seen it for himself. Yet, here we go again! Questionable tactics that are bound to fail, players out of their comfortable positions and a glaring lack of desire to get some trusty old experience in that defence. BUILD FROM THE BACK and then the youngsters and 'talent' elsewhere can attempt to shine without looking over their shoulders at the key stone cop baffoonary behind them.  It's really NOT rocket science! |
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Post by nonameface on Aug 24, 2024 17:25:34 GMT
Think that’s unfair. We lost by one goal against a team that will be top half and who have been better than us for ages. The players went off the pitch to boos in our second home game of the season. Seriously that’s mental, a little unhinged. Cohesion is going to be difficult with a backline that doesn’t know each other, how many partnerships are there from last season? He put Koumas through the middle and it worked and he easily could have had a hat trick, it’s not often a player hits the post twice in a game. Vision; we clearly are trying to create a young team that can be built together into a team that will be better in a couple of years. It’s not great, but we HAVE to be patient. The clubs marketing with “Stronger together” is really deliberate. Fair to ask questions, but we need to be mindful of our impact to the team or else we may be like Ipswich who had to get relegated again and stay outside the top flight for 20+ years. Most of the young players who are likely to play regularly this season are on loan. How does this benefit us long term - they won’t be here next season ? There seems to be loads of muddled thinking going on at the club . It’s not one season planning is it. Sign younger players, show we can develop them, then be able to attract younger players to sign for us permanently in the future. We all know with FFP you have to create value somehow to allow progress. You have to start somewhere and Walters has regularly talked about building something that will take time. My preferred manager was MON, he really worked with the limitations we had and played football to suit those players when we had very little to spend. Players were developing, we were progressing (slowly) and were stabilising. No sooner had we got money to spend he got sacked. Mental. So generally it’s just really frustrating to always be looking to sack the manager when most (not all) success is based upon persistency and consistency. Schumachers vision of football is aggressive, high octane football. It’s about committing men forward and accepting mistakes will happen, but it’s his style. Move away from him we then have another few seasons of shipping players out and going through a restart and all it means is we go no where. |
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