potterpanzera
Academy Starlet
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Post by potterpanzera on Aug 18, 2024 14:45:26 GMT
Start banging them in at home and all will be fine trouble is there’s not many goals in the squad we have Yup I know but we can only hope eh. Will be interesting to see Gallagher up top with million feeding. Million is yet to play with a little more experienced head up top and million certainly at times seems to be looking for a sharp move here and there. |
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Post by matelot1996 on Aug 18, 2024 14:49:42 GMT
I like what he is trying to do with the introduction of Youngsters. Also he seems keen to weed out the tired, perpetual under performers, Campbell, Vidigal? Baker? Hopefully Pearson.
Barring a catastrophic melt down, He will be here for at least another season.
So much hinges on this Transfer Window.
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Post by baconburger on Aug 18, 2024 14:53:30 GMT
I like what he is trying to do with the introduction of Youngsters. Also he seems keen to weed out the tired, perpetual under performers, Campbell, Vidigal? Baker? Hopefully Pearson. Barring a catastrophic melt down, He will be here for at least another season. So much hinges on this Transfer Window. Not so sure it wouldn't surprise me if he's sacked before Christmas. I like him but just can't see him and JW and LD are on the same page at all. |
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Post by mallorcanstokie on Aug 18, 2024 15:01:45 GMT
I like SS, but at half time it was obvious Watford we’re getting on top,
Their manager made a substitution to make the most of where they were getting the better of us,
SS stuck to the usual plan to wait 15-20 mins, he and everyone could see the danger out wide where Bocat wasn’t getting any support from Gooch, but decided to wait.
it looks like we do our homework and plan accordingly to set up and play against the opposition, so we start well, but other teams seem to tweak their game accordingly, we do seem to struggle with a plan B once the game has started.
like to see SS more proactive and change thing quicker.
Still fancy us to beat West Brom 👍
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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 18, 2024 15:06:04 GMT
Cheers. So without doubt he is a vast improvement on AN (hardly surprising). I wonder how he “currently” compares with TP, MH, GR and MON.. I’ve deliberately left our Nathan and PL out. He’s almost exactly the same as MON (1.39 PPG) TP’s first spell was 1.32 PPG and his second spell 1.4 but I guess you have to factor in that most of his second spell was in the higher level. Mark Hughes was 1.15 PPG (199 points over 174 league games), again though, this was at PL level and his numbers are soured by a dismal last year or so. Gary Rowett was 1.35 PPG. Lambert is next with 0.87 and Jones comes in at a pathetic 0.82. Cheers again Mick. So SS is well on par. Personally I’d accept both TP’s & MH’s as a comparison (even tho they were EPL stats. That’s the league they were in) to reflect on SS’s performance. Facts hey, funny how they tell a different storyline sometimes. |
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Post by thornestein on Aug 18, 2024 15:15:07 GMT
He’s almost exactly the same as MON (1.39 PPG) TP’s first spell was 1.32 PPG and his second spell 1.4 but I guess you have to factor in that most of his second spell was in the higher level. Mark Hughes was 1.15 PPG (199 points over 174 league games), again though, this was at PL level and his numbers are soured by a dismal last year or so. Gary Rowett was 1.35 PPG. Lambert is next with 0.87 and Jones comes in at a pathetic 0.82. Cheers again Mick. So SS is well on par. Personally I’d accept both TP’s & MH’s as a comparison (even tho they were EPL stats. That’s the league they were in) to reflect on SS’s performance. Facts hey, funny how they tell a different storyline sometimes. yep facts can be funny , he’s got equivalent results to a bunch of managers we had to sack 🤔 |
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Post by a on Aug 18, 2024 15:15:19 GMT
I like the fact that he’s a hands on coach and you can clearly see the patterns of play we’ve been working on in training (in general not yesterday particularly) I dislike the inverted full backs bollocks as we clearly haven’t got the personnel to do it as it stands…… He’s got to adapt to the players he’s got. A good coach should be able to do just that, and hopefully SS will. I get having your own style as a coach is a thing but he simply has to work with the personnel we have otherwise Watford will become the norm rather than the exception. We can’t expect to win every game obviously but the capitulation within 4 minutes of the second half yesterday was not nearly good enough. |
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Post by a on Aug 18, 2024 15:16:44 GMT
I like SS, but at half time it was obvious Watford we’re getting on top, Their manager made a substitution to make the most of where they were getting the better of us, SS stuck to the usual plan to wait 15-20 mins, he and everyone could see the danger out wide where Bocat wasn’t getting any support from Gooch, but decided to wait. it looks like we do our homework and plan accordingly to set up and play against the opposition, so we start well, but other teams seem to tweak their game accordingly, we do seem to struggle with a plan B once the game has started. like to see SS more proactive and change thing quicker. Still fancy us to beat West Brom 👍 As the yanks like to say, we were playing checkers whilst Cleverley was playing chess. |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 18, 2024 15:19:16 GMT
Cheers again Mick. So SS is well on par. Personally I’d accept both TP’s & MH’s as a comparison (even tho they were EPL stats. That’s the league they were in) to reflect on SS’s performance. Facts hey, funny how they tell a different storyline sometimes. yep facts can be funny , he’s got equivalent results to a bunch of managers we had to sack 🤔 |
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Post by baconburger on Aug 18, 2024 15:19:33 GMT
I like SS, but at half time it was obvious Watford we’re getting on top, Their manager made a substitution to make the most of where they were getting the better of us, SS stuck to the usual plan to wait 15-20 mins, he and everyone could see the danger out wide where Bocat wasn’t getting any support from Gooch, but decided to wait. it looks like we do our homework and plan accordingly to set up and play against the opposition, so we start well, but other teams seem to tweak their game accordingly, we do seem to struggle with a plan B once the game has started. like to see SS more proactive and change thing quicker. Still fancy us to beat West Brom 👍 So what was it you wanted him to do drop the wide forwards deep to defend the flanks and play for a 0-0?? |
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Post by Biblical on Aug 18, 2024 16:09:54 GMT
This yo yo extreme reaction every week surely has to stop. It’s the championship- anyone can be anyone. One wi or loss means nothing. It ought to but it won't. Some of our fans just can't deal with losing. God knows why we've all had enough practice at it. Got no problem with losing but the manner in which is a big factor for me and that 2nd half performance was atrocious and as bad as any of the shite we’ve had to put up with in recent years. Just calling it how I see things. I’ll give praise when it’s due and criticism when it’s warranted as well. |
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Post by nott1 on Aug 18, 2024 16:11:05 GMT
We have been wanting a striker for years all we get are pretenders who haven't a bloody clue how to score!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2024 16:33:33 GMT
The amount of time to change things yesterday was abysmal
Blatantly, patently obvious to even the likes of us sitting at home watching that shit show.
He’s got to be more proactive.
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Post by thisisouryear on Aug 19, 2024 7:27:13 GMT
Walters has left Schumacher ridiculously light of first team players to start this season with, this could be a rough month before we get the bodies in we need. Schumacher's hands are tied with players available and players coming back from injury so he's limited to what he can do and change. I don't see any point in getting on his back because at the moment he doesn't have what he needs to have much success, our season will start when the transfer window closes.
If Walters doesn't give Schumacher the tools to be successful then it shouldn't be Schumacher taking all the blame. We just need some patience and see this month out. Norwich lost their first 4/5 games a few seasons back and still got promoted so this month won't define our season, we just need to get through it with whatever points we can. On the whole we have started it well barring 1 game
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Post by baconburger on Aug 19, 2024 7:34:34 GMT
Walters has left Schumacher ridiculously light of first team players to start this season with, this could be a rough month before we get the bodies in we need. Schumacher's hands are tied with players available and players coming back from injury so he's limited to what he can do and change. I don't see any point in getting on his back because at the moment he doesn't have what he needs to have much success, our season will start when the transfer window closes. If Walters doesn't give Schumacher the tools to be successful then it shouldn't be Schumacher taking all the blame. We just need some patience and see this month out. Norwich lost their first 4/5 games a few seasons back and still got promoted so this month won't define our season, we just need to get through it with whatever points we can. On the whole we have started it well barring 1 game I’m not sure who he’s buying the players to suit. Are there any manager/HC’s out there that play something like a 280 formation?? |
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Post by thisisouryear on Aug 19, 2024 7:43:19 GMT
Walters has left Schumacher ridiculously light of first team players to start this season with, this could be a rough month before we get the bodies in we need. Schumacher's hands are tied with players available and players coming back from injury so he's limited to what he can do and change. I don't see any point in getting on his back because at the moment he doesn't have what he needs to have much success, our season will start when the transfer window closes. If Walters doesn't give Schumacher the tools to be successful then it shouldn't be Schumacher taking all the blame. We just need some patience and see this month out. Norwich lost their first 4/5 games a few seasons back and still got promoted so this month won't define our season, we just need to get through it with whatever points we can. On the whole we have started it well barring 1 game I’m not sure who he’s buying the players to suit. Are there any manager/HC’s out there that play something like a 280 formation?? Walters is buying who he wants clearly because a few of these signings have his signature all over them, Schumacher is a coach and it's his job to coach whatever players he is given by the looks of it |
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Post by baconburger on Aug 19, 2024 7:49:42 GMT
I’m not sure who he’s buying the players to suit. Are there any manager/HC’s out there that play something like a 280 formation?? Walters is buying who he wants clearly because a few of these signings have his signature all over them, Schumacher is a coach and it's his job to coach whatever players he is given by the looks of it In a roundabout way that’s how it should work other than Walters should be buying players to suit a clearly defined style that all parties have agreed to buy into upon their appointment not just who he wants for a very unclear style that I’m yet to be convinced exists but certainly one that requires a shit load of deep lying midfielders. |
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Post by thisisouryear on Aug 19, 2024 7:56:10 GMT
Walters is buying who he wants clearly because a few of these signings have his signature all over them, Schumacher is a coach and it's his job to coach whatever players he is given by the looks of it In a roundabout way that’s how it should work other than Walters should be buying players to suit a clearly defined style that all parties have agreed to buy into upon their appointment not just who he wants for a very unclear style that I’m yet to be convinced exists but certainly one that requires a shit load of deep lying midfielders. At the moment we are making a cake but we still need to go to the shop for some more ingredients. Once we have come back from the shop then hopefully we can make the cake. If we get the right ingredients the cake should rise |
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Post by baconburger on Aug 19, 2024 8:37:37 GMT
In a roundabout way that’s how it should work other than Walters should be buying players to suit a clearly defined style that all parties have agreed to buy into upon their appointment not just who he wants for a very unclear style that I’m yet to be convinced exists but certainly one that requires a shit load of deep lying midfielders. At the moment we are making a cake but we still need to go to the shop for some more ingredients. Once we have come back from the shop then hopefully we can make the cake. If we get the right ingredients the cake should rise Or maybe we should have made something else with the ingredients we have instead of letting them go out of date and chucking them away either that or at the very least donate them to a food bank. ATM it looks like we could make a very nice midfield salad and are just looking to add a little wasabi for no apparent reason. |
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Post by Picasso on Aug 19, 2024 8:44:20 GMT
At the moment we are making a cake but we still need to go to the shop for some more ingredients. Once we have come back from the shop then hopefully we can make the cake. If we get the right ingredients the cake should rise[/quote] What’s the problem? We have a Baker. |
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Post by idle on Aug 19, 2024 8:46:13 GMT
I don't think I've seen the cake analogy before. Shouldn't you have used a cobbler analogy instead?
Either way, all analogies suck (but some are useful).
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Post by Gods on Aug 19, 2024 8:52:40 GMT
At the moment we are making a cake but we still need to go to the shop for some more ingredients. Once we have come back from the shop then hopefully we can make the cake. If we get the right ingredients the cake should rise What’s the problem? We have a Baker. [/quote] We have a Burger, a Baker and soon a Cundle stick maker! |
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Post by kjpt140v on Aug 19, 2024 13:23:51 GMT
Not sure about allowing leting certain players leave, either for a price or loan. We are either ambitious to get to the Premier or we are not. If we are, then you don't let Baker, Vidigal, or Manoeff go. And you don't buy strikers who don't score goals and have a poor history of injuries. I'm usually critical of those that are negative about the team, but I've never felt this low about what is going on.
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 19, 2024 13:49:47 GMT
Not sure about allowing leting certain players leave, either for a price or loan. We are either ambitious to get to the Premier or we are not. If we are, then you don't let Baker, Vidigal, or Manoeff go. And you don't buy strikers who don't score goals and have a poor history of injuries. I'm usually critical of those that are negative about the team, but I've never felt this low about what is going on. If you're relying on Baker and Vidigal to aid a promotion push then you've got no chance. It's Manoeff and Bae that need to stay and build around them. We're at least 4 good players away from making any go at a play off push. |
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Post by tommystoke123 on Aug 19, 2024 13:50:30 GMT
Wagner in October if Schuey doesn’t start well
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Post by yellowsnowman on Aug 19, 2024 13:53:44 GMT
Wagner in October if Schuey doesn’t start well No thanks tommy lad. |
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Post by kjpt140v on Aug 19, 2024 14:13:59 GMT
Not sure about allowing leting certain players leave, either for a price or loan. We are either ambitious to get to the Premier or we are not. If we are, then you don't let Baker, Vidigal, or Manoeff go. And you don't buy strikers who don't score goals and have a poor history of injuries. I'm usually critical of those that are negative about the team, but I've never felt this low about what is going on. If you're relying on Baker and Vidigal to aid a promotion push then you've got no chance. It's Manoeff and Bae that need to stay and build around them. We're at least 4 good players away from making any go at a play off push. It's not about eleven men, it's about a a squad with depth. There not Al going to be the very best, but the best we can afford. Both Vidigal and Baker have good qualities. Baker has done well for us recently. |
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Post by chiswickpotter on Aug 19, 2024 14:22:36 GMT
I like SS, but at half time it was obvious Watford we’re getting on top, Their manager made a substitution to make the most of where they were getting the better of us, SS stuck to the usual plan to wait 15-20 mins, he and everyone could see the danger out wide where Bocat wasn’t getting any support from Gooch, but decided to wait. it looks like we do our homework and plan accordingly to set up and play against the opposition, so we start well, but other teams seem to tweak their game accordingly, we do seem to struggle with a plan B once the game has started. like to see SS more proactive and change thing quicker. Still fancy us to beat West Brom 👍 So what was it you wanted him to do drop the wide forwards deep to defend the flanks and play for a 0-0?? Options would include - match them up by moving Gooch to RWB or bringing on Dixon or Thompson to LWB - swap Tezgel and Gooch with Koumas and Bae to give us a threat in behind to drag their wingbacks back - go 4-5-1 with Moran behind Koumas (assuming Mmaee not able to do a full half) All would have been better than letting Watford continue to pin us in A point with a chance to nick it feels a lot better than what we did |
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Post by questionable on Aug 19, 2024 14:38:16 GMT
Seen absolutely no improvement whatsoever, players looking not in the slightest interested, bizarre starting line ups, FB’s being told to leave acres of width down each side and of course nothing whatsoever up front.
I can’t see him being here by the year end.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Aug 19, 2024 14:40:22 GMT
From what I'm reading over the weekend, fans are starting to doubt the Sporting Director model that was craved for so long.
People are doubting the relationship between Walters and Schumacher.
No one is really sure what Lee Darnborough is doing.
It's seeming like John Coates has decided to do his usual trick of handing the keys over to the new man, only this time the new man is a trendy Sporting Director.
Many are doubting whether Walters is just underqualified.
Not time to panic after Saturday but it's depressing to be two games in and already have been pumped 3-0, and the recruitment so far has been unacceptable.
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