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Post by mickstupp on Aug 18, 2024 11:11:25 GMT
He’s currently got a 41% win record so I doubt that to be honest. He’s got a better win % than all of our post relegation managers. Don't be using facts in the Kangaroo Court mate. My only gripe at the moment is we've give the keys to someone I don't think we should have. I like SS and I liked the previous recruitment model which paid for itself x10 in one season. Walters to me has massive questions to answer but he seems to be answering to himself, he sorts transfers and puts himself infront of a camera at every opportunity. This is the exact structure that all the hipsters in our fan base wanted though mate. A DoF/TD pulling the strings and a head coach in charge of first team affairs. Let’s see how it works out. On the pitch we are clearly incomplete. The team is too young, too weak and too inexperienced to compete at this level for me. They’ve got less than two weeks to sort it out otherwise we are going to struggle again. Teams get promoted out of the championship with 25-28 year old hardened pros at their peaks, not 18 year olds on loan. |
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Post by emretezzy on Aug 18, 2024 11:13:45 GMT
Don't be using facts in the Kangaroo Court mate. My only gripe at the moment is we've give the keys to someone I don't think we should have. I like SS and I liked the previous recruitment model which paid for itself x10 in one season. Walters to me has massive questions to answer but he seems to be answering to himself, he sorts transfers and puts himself infront of a camera at every opportunity. This is the exact structure that all the hipsters in our fan base wanted though mate. A DoF/TD pulling the strings and a head coach in charge of first team affairs. Let’s see how it works out. On the pitch we are clearly incomplete. The team is too young, too weak and too inexperienced to compete at this level for me. They’ve got less than two weeks to sort it out otherwise we are going to struggle again. I don't know many, if any, fans who would have got rid of Dublin. Clubs managed to step forward into the 21st century then in one swoop knock back into the dark ages. I see 0 accountability for Walters. Its a job for the boys. |
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Post by mickstupp on Aug 18, 2024 11:15:32 GMT
This is the exact structure that all the hipsters in our fan base wanted though mate. A DoF/TD pulling the strings and a head coach in charge of first team affairs. Let’s see how it works out. On the pitch we are clearly incomplete. The team is too young, too weak and too inexperienced to compete at this level for me. They’ve got less than two weeks to sort it out otherwise we are going to struggle again. I don't know many, if any, fans who would have got rid of Dublin. Clubs managed to step forward into the 21st century then in one swoop knock back into the dark ages. I see 0 accountability for Walters. Its a job for the boys. It’s a great job. Take the plaudits when things are going well, and sack the first team coach when it goes tits up. Lovely. I don’t buy into the Dublin hype though. |
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Post by baconburger on Aug 18, 2024 11:18:52 GMT
Still doesn’t make sense to me. Neither Laurent or Burger are the type of player you want to take a high starting position it more or less completely stifles their attributes and asks them to be involved in slick interplay at which they’re pretty hopeless. In a 2:1 midfield from a deeper starting position they would be fine but that’s not what he’s asking of them. I actually disagree about Thompson anyway as a DM I think he wins far less clean ball than Burger even though he’s more positionally disciplined and tenacious. Just depends what you want from the position. I basically think the tactics are completely wrong for the players and with what we have he should either play Junho and Moran as his fabled 8’s who create and score goals or change to a 2:1 midfield to make better use of his plethora of deep lying midfielders and stop trying to hammer them into advanced positions. I recommend the latter but to stay true to his words he needs to do the former. can get into positions in the box(as can Burger) but also gets back to be the player who clears off the line as he did v Coventry. In my opinion Burger is not good at winning the ball when players run at him, is not strong enough in a pushing contest when he often finds his opponent receiving the ball and rollong off him but is good at interceptions and coming from behind or the side. That is more suited to the box to box role. He is not disciplined enough for the one DM role which Schumacher plays. With Lawal and Moran the squad will be much better and Laurent, Thompson and Burger will have to play every match at their best whichever position they are playing to keep their starting places. That is why I say give Schumacher time. There you go then we very much disagree. imo Laurent is very good at getting there and pretty hopeless when he does hence his poor output stats. I'm happy enough with Burger as a DM or a box to boxer providing it's from a deep starting position. I don't know for certain because I've not seen him play other than short clips but I imagine Lawal having the same issues if he tries to use him as one of his 8's. I've no particular issue with Schumacher, he has a very different view of the game than me but has proved that with the correct players he can produce very good football. i just don't think we'll see that playing deep lying midfielders in advanced positions. A box to box player with a high starting position is a contradiction in terms. |
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Post by baconburger on Aug 18, 2024 11:21:03 GMT
This is the exact structure that all the hipsters in our fan base wanted though mate. A DoF/TD pulling the strings and a head coach in charge of first team affairs. Let’s see how it works out. On the pitch we are clearly incomplete. The team is too young, too weak and too inexperienced to compete at this level for me. They’ve got less than two weeks to sort it out otherwise we are going to struggle again. I don't know many, if any, fans who would have got rid of Dublin. Clubs managed to step forward into the 21st century then in one swoop knock back into the dark ages. I see 0 accountability for Walters. Its a job for the boys.the spotlight will only start to focus on him once he's got rid of Schu which I see as virtually inevitable. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 18, 2024 11:23:30 GMT
I like the fact that he’s a hands on coach and you can clearly see the patterns of play we’ve been working on in training (in general not yesterday particularly)
I dislike the inverted full backs bollocks as we clearly haven’t got the personnel to do it as it stands……
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Post by baconburger on Aug 18, 2024 11:26:08 GMT
I like the fact that he’s a hands on coach and you can clearly see the patterns of play we’ve been working on in training (in general not yesterday particularly) I dislike the inverted full backs bollocks as we clearly haven’t got the personnel to do it as it stands…… They weren't inverted. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 18, 2024 11:28:11 GMT
I like the fact that he’s a hands on coach and you can clearly see the patterns of play we’ve been working on in training (in general not yesterday particularly) I dislike the inverted full backs bollocks as we clearly haven’t got the personnel to do it as it stands…… They weren't inverted. They have been inverted on many occasions, I’m not talking necessarily about yesterday. Tchamadeu in particular pre-season spent a lot of his time in that role…… |
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Post by mickstupp on Aug 18, 2024 11:29:20 GMT
I like the fact that he’s a hands on coach and you can clearly see the patterns of play we’ve been working on in training (in general not yesterday particularly) I dislike the inverted full backs bollocks as we clearly haven’t got the personnel to do it as it stands…… Is this inverted full back thing actually happening though? I didn’t see any evidence of it against Coventry last week or at Carlisle. It seems to be developing into an urban myth…? Edit I can see you’ve already answered the same question to someone else ⬆️ |
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Post by baconburger on Aug 18, 2024 11:30:16 GMT
They have been inverted on many occasions, I’m not talking necessarily about yesterday. Tchamadeu in particular pre-season spent a lot of his time in that role…… They were narrow defending yesterday but going forward they primarily went on the outside. Junior does seem to be very easily confused. |
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Post by baconburger on Aug 18, 2024 11:32:41 GMT
I like the fact that he’s a hands on coach and you can clearly see the patterns of play we’ve been working on in training (in general not yesterday particularly) I dislike the inverted full backs bollocks as we clearly haven’t got the personnel to do it as it stands…… Is this inverted full back thing actually happening though? I didn’t see any evidence of it against Coventry last week or at Carlisle. It seems to be developing into an urban myth…? Edit I can see you’ve already answered the same question to someone else ⬆️ It's this season's three at the back. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 18, 2024 11:37:26 GMT
I like the fact that he’s a hands on coach and you can clearly see the patterns of play we’ve been working on in training (in general not yesterday particularly) I dislike the inverted full backs bollocks as we clearly haven’t got the personnel to do it as it stands…… Is this inverted full back thing actually happening though? I didn’t see any evidence of it against Coventry last week or at Carlisle. It seems to be developing into an urban myth…? Edit I can see you’ve already answered the same question to someone else ⬆️ Anyone who saw the Stockport friendly just as an example could see clearly that the time Tchamadeu was on the pitch he was picking up that role in the centre of the park. So I’m not saying it’s something that happens for 90 minutes every game but it’s definitely something they work on. I can’t comment on yesterday’s game too much as I only saw snippets from the South of France….. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 18, 2024 11:37:54 GMT
They have been inverted on many occasions, I’m not talking necessarily about yesterday. Tchamadeu in particular pre-season spent a lot of his time in that role…… They were narrow defending yesterday but going forward they primarily went on the outside. Junior does seem to be very easily confused. I never mentioned yesterday….. |
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Post by drippinggoatsnob on Aug 18, 2024 11:48:37 GMT
I really like SS and he comes across really well in interiews. He also seems to have a good relationship with the players and harmony in the camp wh8ch had been missing. Given time we will see some good attacking football. There are two issues however 1) the midfield 1, 2 is a concern and leaves the CDM alone. Especially when playing out from the back. 2) the FBs. I don't mind them tucking in to make us narrow, Pulis did it but you have to have a workhorse winger in front of you. I think he'll die on these hills. I also thinking playing out from the back is s case if the emporers new clothes, and once the fad ends people will be thinking....were we mad. A more pragmatic approach is missing but I understand why trams do it. Any suggestions as to which players from the current squad you would have picked yesterday to make us more sound defensively? Neither Johnson, Baker or even Sidibe I don't think are renowned for their defensive qualities. His formation is being massively compromised by the form of Burger. Not Schumacher's fault. Or which work horse winger? Junho is definitely a workaholic but couldn't start yesterday and he and Million are equally as good as Etherington and Pennant used to be. And before you criticise him for the recruitment, apart from saying what he would like and approving any signings he has nothing to do with finding or signing players as head coach. The disappointing thing for me was that I think at the Q&A session he said he had been drumming into the players the importance of being pragmatic at the beginning of each half and not conceding early giving us a game to chase and the opposition the chance to pick us off on the break. Perhaps he forgot to remind them went out after half time but how many times do you have to say the same thing to players. They were equally as culpable and I don't think it was because they don't want to play for him. I agree we don't have the players to do what he wants to do with Pearson missing and Lawal out. But if that's the case, why play like that? Equally, million and Bae et al are part of a front three whereas pennant and ringtone were midfielders. I just think.its a couple.of obvious issues and something rhe Watford commentators were quickly aware of and bemused at. He has to get the right players in and at the minute we don't have that.. We still need another CB too as we are thread bare. |
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Post by nottsover60 on Aug 18, 2024 11:52:22 GMT
I disagree about Laurent I think he can handle quick interplay, can get into positions in the box(as can Burger) but also gets back to be the player who clears off the line as he did v Coventry. In my opinion Burger is not good at winning the ball when players run at him, is not strong enough in a pushing contest when he often finds his opponent receiving the ball and rollong off him but is good at interceptions and coming from behind or the side. That is more suited to the box to box role. He is not disciplined enough for the one DM role which Schumacher plays. With Lawal and Moran the squad will be much better and Laurent, Thompson and Burger will have to play every match at their best whichever position they are playing to keep their starting places. That is why I say give Schumacher time. There you go then we very much disagree. imo Laurent is very good at getting there and pretty hopeless when he does hence his poor output stats. I'm happy enough with Burger as a DM or a box to boxer providing it's from a deep starting position. I don't know for certain because I've not seen him play other than short clips but I imagine Lawal having the same issues if he tries to use him as one of his 8's. I've no particular issue with Schumacher, he has a very different view of the game than me but has proved that with the correct players he can produce very good football. i just don't think we'll see that playing deep lying midfielders in advanced positions. A box to box player with a high starting position is a contradiction in terms. I suspect we will see Lawal deep as CDM with Moran and probably Laurent but possibly Burger as the two 8's with the player missing out being cover and on the bench with Thompson. I also wonder whether Koumas or Bae may be given the chance in the Cundle role. At least there will be competition for places. Cundle was definitely an advanced box to box. His position on the field depended on if we had the ball but if we were struggling defensively he was expected back there. What he was very good at was picking the ball up outside our box and passing to release a forward player and then quickly getting up there to receive a short pass. |
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Post by nottsover60 on Aug 18, 2024 11:56:03 GMT
Any suggestions as to which players from the current squad you would have picked yesterday to make us more sound defensively? Neither Johnson, Baker or even Sidibe I don't think are renowned for their defensive qualities. His formation is being massively compromised by the form of Burger. Not Schumacher's fault. Or which work horse winger? Junho is definitely a workaholic but couldn't start yesterday and he and Million are equally as good as Etherington and Pennant used to be. And before you criticise him for the recruitment, apart from saying what he would like and approving any signings he has nothing to do with finding or signing players as head coach. The disappointing thing for me was that I think at the Q&A session he said he had been drumming into the players the importance of being pragmatic at the beginning of each half and not conceding early giving us a game to chase and the opposition the chance to pick us off on the break. Perhaps he forgot to remind them went out after half time but how many times do you have to say the same thing to players. They were equally as culpable and I don't think it was because they don't want to play for him. I agree we don't have the players to do what he wants to do with Pearson missing and Lawal out. But if that's the case, why play like that? Equally, million and Bae et al are part of a front three whereas pennant and ringtone were midfielders. I just think.its a couple.of obvious issues and something rhe Watford commentators were quickly aware of and bemused at. He has to get the right players in and at the minute we don't have that.. We still need another CB too as we are thread bare. I suspect having spent a lot of time on the formation he doesn't want to abandon it before he has a complete squad. Don't forget the players persuaded him to drop it last year and he admitted he hated every minute of playing safety first football. In the grand scheme unexpected as was Coventry losing at Stoke. yesterday was one loss in a start to the season match which is not a disaster. Middlesbrough lost to Derby which was far more damaging and unexpected |
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Post by cheadlestokie on Aug 18, 2024 12:08:16 GMT
I like the fact that he’s a hands on coach and you can clearly see the patterns of play we’ve been working on in training (in general not yesterday particularly) I dislike the inverted full backs bollocks as we clearly haven’t got the personnel to do it as it stands…… Is this inverted full back thing actually happening though? I didn’t see any evidence of it against Coventry last week or at Carlisle. It seems to be developing into an urban myth…? Edit I can see you’ve already answered the same question to someone else ⬆️ I argued against the inverted full backs previously but didn't see it happening yesterday. I thought the problem was that neither Manhoef nor Gooch assisted their full backs sufficiently. I can understand that to a degree in Manhoef's case due to his attacking ability but have to say I was astonished that Gooch failed to provide any assistance to Bocat when it could be seen that Bocat needed to cover inside due to Watford overloading there and the right winger being allowed to hug the touchline with Gooch nowhere to be seen. Frankly what was the point in picking Gooch as the wide left player away from home if he was not going to do the defensive side of his job. Apart from that of course we had a midfield who failed completely to deal with their physicality. Again a player like Laurent being chosen for his strength and going missing once more, Thompson showing his clear limitations and Burger needing to take a long hard look at himself at the moment as he is playing like players we have seen in the past who have had their head turned by transfer interest. |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Aug 18, 2024 12:10:21 GMT
We realy do have to stick with SS,because God knows who JC would bring in next.
Anyway let's see how we do with the players we have to work with once the window is shut.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Aug 18, 2024 12:13:32 GMT
This yo yo extreme reaction every week surely has to stop.
It’s the championship- anyone can be anyone. One wi or loss means nothing.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 18, 2024 13:46:46 GMT
Just out of interest (no more) do any of the Oatcake's Stato's know SS's PPG since joining and how it compares with all of our mangers in the last 20 years?
Personally I'm quite happy with him and the current regime and only time will tell.
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Post by baconburger on Aug 18, 2024 14:01:50 GMT
We realy do have to stick with SS,because God knows who JC would bring in next. Anyway let's see how we do with the players we have to work with once the window is shut. I doubt very much that JC would be having a lot to do with whoever we bought in to replace Schu. That would be Walters bag, I dread to think who it could be but I don't think he and his mate Darnbrough are doing Schu any favours with recruitment. |
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Post by baconburger on Aug 18, 2024 14:03:32 GMT
Just out of interest (no more) do any of the Oatcake's Stato's know SS's PPG since joining and how it compares with all of our mangers in the last 20 years? Personally I'm quite happy with him and the current regime and only time will tell. I've seen someone else post it can't remember the figures but it was quite favourable. |
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Post by thornestein on Aug 18, 2024 14:04:32 GMT
This yo yo extreme reaction every week surely has to stop. It’s the championship- anyone can be anyone. One wi or loss means nothing. it doesn’t you’re right , it’s how we lose that bothers me , if its because of gutless performance or managerial tactics that we can all see aren’t working then it piss’s me and i imagine most people off |
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Post by mickstupp on Aug 18, 2024 14:04:33 GMT
Just out of interest (no more) do any of the Oatcake's Stato's know SS's PPG since joining and how it compares with all of our mangers in the last 20 years? Personally I'm quite happy with him and the current regime and only time will tell. 1.38 points per game, Owd (36 points from 26 league games). By comparison, Neil “amassed” 67 points from 60 games at 1.11 PPG |
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Post by baconburger on Aug 18, 2024 14:07:06 GMT
This yo yo extreme reaction every week surely has to stop. It’s the championship- anyone can be anyone. One wi or loss means nothing. It ought to but it won't. Some of our fans just can't deal with losing. God knows why we've all had enough practice at it. |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 18, 2024 14:13:39 GMT
Just out of interest (no more) do any of the Oatcake's Stato's know SS's PPG since joining and how it compares with all of our mangers in the last 20 years? Personally I'm quite happy with him and the current regime and only time will tell. 1.38 points per game, Owd (36 points from 26 league games). By comparison, Neil amassed 67 points from 60 games at 1.11 PPG Cheers. So without doubt he is a vast improvement on AN (hardly surprising). I wonder how he “currently” compares with TP, MH, GR and MON.. I’ve deliberately left our Nathan and PL out. |
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Post by mickstupp on Aug 18, 2024 14:23:22 GMT
1.38 points per game, Owd (36 points from 26 league games). By comparison, Neil amassed 67 points from 60 games at 1.11 PPG Cheers. So without doubt he is a vast improvement on AN (hardly surprising). I wonder how he “currently” compares with TP, MH, GR and MON.. I’ve deliberately left our Nathan and PL out. He’s almost exactly the same as MON (1.39 PPG) TP’s first spell was 1.32 PPG and his second spell 1.4 but I guess you have to factor in that most of his second spell was in the higher level. Mark Hughes was 1.15 PPG (199 points over 174 league games), again though, this was at PL level and his numbers are soured by a dismal last year or so. Gary Rowett was 1.35 PPG. Lambert is next with 0.87 and Jones comes in at a pathetic 0.82. |
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Post by loosestools on Aug 18, 2024 14:34:53 GMT
This yo yo extreme reaction every week surely has to stop. It’s the championship- anyone can be anyone. One wi or loss means nothing. it doesn’t you’re right , it’s how we lose that bothers me , if its because of gutless performance or managerial tactics that we can all see aren’t working then it piss’s me and i imagine most people off Nail on head. |
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Post by potterpanzera on Aug 18, 2024 14:37:23 GMT
Start banging them in at home and all will be fine
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Post by thornestein on Aug 18, 2024 14:40:17 GMT
Start banging them in at home and all will be fine trouble is there’s not many goals in the squad we have |
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