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Post by wuzza on Aug 17, 2024 17:11:08 GMT
Due to the mistakes of past years the blokes had absolutely no foundations to build on.
It’s going to take a long time unfortunately and require a lot of patience.
At the moment we have the basis of a bloody good under 21 team , we absolutely don’t have a good Championship team.
The coaching staff will have done a good job to achieve any sort of mid table security - not an exciting prospect but the sooner people take this on board the better for their mental health.
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Post by pieofpeter on Aug 17, 2024 17:12:49 GMT
Didn’t hear it. Why? What’s he saying? Seemed like he'd watched a different game. Didn't seem remotely angry about what he'd witnessed Didn't acknowledge they were starting to bully us, even in the last 25 minutes of the first half and said there were "plenty of positives" I'm all for keeping an even keel, but that was in the top 10 worst performances over the last few years and it'd be nice to see that at least acknowledged Most managers keep it in house though these days.. does it in public could end up losing dressing room compleatly. It's a young squad and the more expirenced players will help the manager in the end! |
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Post by werrington on Aug 17, 2024 17:14:06 GMT
Jesus hates Christ ….give over ffs we’ve lost one game at Watford away Like I said a while ago ….you just don’t like him and never have We've lost one game making the same mistakes as we did last season. The same tactics that saw us into the bottom three, so no it isn't just one game. It's a clear repeat of what he did wrong last year. Why you keep peddling the nonsense that I don't like him and never have I don't know. You haven't got a clue what I like and don't like and you never engage in a debate to find out. Just cast your aspersions and disappear off. I’ve engaged with you many many times, it’s out there have a look You wanted him gone after a few games last season before apparently “it’s too late” You then relented before re appearing to again appeal to get rid “as it’s our only chance of survival” And yet again 2 games in , yes 2 games in you are after him again Enjoy your evening as after all we’re all Stoke |
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Post by thornestein on Aug 17, 2024 17:15:21 GMT
He's under pressure already and he knows it. Talking bollocks like that is sadly something we've come accustomed to over the years. A few more defeats along the way and we'll soon be at the end game again in November. <Sigh> Jesus hates Christ ….give over ffs we’ve lost one game at Watford away Like I said a while ago ….you just don’t like him and never have probably because he doesn’t help him self with shit tactics |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 17, 2024 17:15:48 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2024 17:18:58 GMT
We've lost one game making the same mistakes as we did last season. The same tactics that saw us into the bottom three, so no it isn't just one game. It's a clear repeat of what he did wrong last year. Why you keep peddling the nonsense that I don't like him and never have I don't know. You haven't got a clue what I like and don't like and you never engage in a debate to find out. Just cast your aspersions and disappear off. I’ve engaged with you many many times, it’s out there have a look You wanted him gone after a few games last season before apparently “it’s too late” You then relented before re appearing to again appeal to get rid “as it’s our only chance of survival” And yet again 2 games in , yes 2 games in you are after him again Enjoy your evening as after all we’re all Stoke I'm not after anyone just like fans aren't after Burger, but it never stops you having a go at your fellow fans for having an opinion. If I see shit, I call it out. If I see something to be positive about (see comments about the fanzone etc) I'll praise it from the rooftops. Enjoy your evening too. |
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Post by mickstupp on Aug 17, 2024 17:18:58 GMT
We’re going to have to reign our expectations in a bit. There’s not a chance that this team will be anywhere near challenging this season. Top half is the best we can hope for.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Aug 17, 2024 17:25:00 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0jk27whSeemed like he'd watched a different game. Didn't seem remotely angry about what he'd witnessed Didn't acknowledge they were starting to bully us, even in the last 25 minutes of the first half and said there were "plenty of positives" I'm all for keeping an even keel, but that was in the top 10 worst performances over the last few years and it'd be nice to see that at least acknowledged Most managers keep it in house though these days.. does it in public could end up losing dressing room compleatly. It's a young squad and the more expirenced players will help the manager in the end! Exactly, I'd say he was seething and desperately not trying to say anything negative! |
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Aug 17, 2024 17:38:25 GMT
He was done a bit today by Watfords tactics ( their wing-backs were so WIDE and PUSHED UP at home), and the fact Watford were just more physical and won the midfield battle.
Hes openly admitted that he doesnt want to lose games in the first 15 minutes and be more pragmatic. We looked good for the first 15 minutes, but when we tried to play football we were seriously 2nd best.
Its not good from Schumacher but we wont come against that kind of team and problem too many times this season. It wasnt the worst performance ever, given our starting 11 is definitely weaker than end of last season AND we did have good patterns of play going forward.
Overall Im going to stay positive, and that was just a dose of REALITY of Championship football that rears its head regularly through the season
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Post by Gawa on Aug 17, 2024 17:51:53 GMT
Alot of knee jerk reactions here considering we just played the team joint top in the league. we could have been joint top if we turned up, but we didnt, so we aren't.... I know. I just wanted to make myself a seafood chowder. |
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Aug 17, 2024 18:23:25 GMT
He was done a bit today by Watfords tactics ( their wing-backs were so WIDE and PUSHED UP at home), and the fact Watford were just more physical and won the midfield battle. Hes openly admitted that he doesnt want to lose games in the first 15 minutes and be more pragmatic. We looked good for the first 15 minutes, but when we tried to play football we were seriously 2nd best. Its not good from Schumacher but we wont come against that kind of team and problem too many times this season. It wasnt the worst performance ever, given our starting 11 is definitely weaker than end of last season AND we did have good patterns of play going forward. Overall Im going to stay positive, and that was just a dose of REALITY of Championship football that rears its head regularly through the season I agree. These results do happen in this league certainly no matter what but we need to be better aswell. |
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Post by SuperRickyFuller on Aug 17, 2024 18:28:33 GMT
We’re going to have to reign our expectations in a bit. There’s not a chance that this team will be anywhere near challenging this season. Top half is the best we can hope for. I know I'll be criticised as having no ambition but I'd be happy with a top half finish. Since we were relegated, we've lumbered from one shambles to another, with no joined up plan or strategy from the ownership which has led to where we are now. A top half finish would be a sign of progress. Especially if we start to see a clear pattern of play and we're more difficult to beat too. That would be a decent foundation to build upon which we haven't had since being relegated. |
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Post by stokiejoe on Aug 17, 2024 18:37:18 GMT
Personally I have written off last season and we/he starts with a clean sheet. OK you can only play with the players you have available and that applies to all teams but the core of the team were missing. When they are back fit we will be in a position to judge.
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Post by pieofpeter on Aug 17, 2024 18:50:31 GMT
We’re going to have to reign our expectations in a bit. There’s not a chance that this team will be anywhere near challenging this season. Top half is the best we can hope for. I know I'll be criticised as having no ambition but I'd be happy with a top half finish. Since we were relegated, we've lumbered from one shambles to another, with no joined up plan or strategy from the ownership which has led to where we are now. A top half finish would be a sign of progress. Especially if we start to see a clear pattern of play and we're more difficult to beat too. That would be a decent foundation to build upon which we haven't had since being relegated. Said this all the way through. Also with the very young team we have your going to get performances like today but you have to hope they learn from it sooner than later. All about trusting the process. Today could actually be a good thing as well for everyone. |
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Post by minnierover on Aug 17, 2024 19:00:58 GMT
He talks nonsense
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 17, 2024 19:02:15 GMT
We were crap today but I don’t get all these predictions of relegation and bottom 6 finishes for Watford, they’re nailed on for a top half finish..….. I'm not so sure. I was pretty much aligned with the negative view. The Pozzos have basically given up on them The surprise is people had them down there in the first place. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 17, 2024 19:12:17 GMT
I'm not so sure. I was pretty much aligned with the negative view. The Pozzos have basically given up on them The surprise is people had them down there in the first place. Big chunk of their own fanbase were predicting 20th and below. They were in relegation form from January onwards and I don't think they've really strengthened. They were impressive today though, so who knows? |
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Post by Biblical on Aug 17, 2024 19:35:37 GMT
1st half was ok.
2nd half was as bad as anything I’ve seen in recent years.
The comments from Schumacher after the game can only be to make sure he doesn’t lose the players because it didn’t reflect the performance at all.
I’m disgusted at the manner in which we conceded the goals and played in general in that 2nd half.
We weren’t even doing the basics, the 1st goal where their player reacts to it and we’ve got 3 defenders standing there completely rooted to the spot just about summed it up.
Schoolboy stuff.
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Post by mickstupp on Aug 17, 2024 19:41:26 GMT
1st half was ok. 2nd half was as bad as anything I’ve seen in recent years. The comments from Schumacher after the game can only be to make sure he doesn’t lose the players because it didn’t reflect the performance at all. I’m disgusted at the manner in which we conceded the goals and played in general in that 2nd half. We weren’t even doing the basics, the 1st goal where their player reacts to it and we’ve got 3 defenders standing there completely rooted to the spot just about summed it up. Schoolboy stuff. Not to make excuses, but I thought the lad was actually offside for the first goal. |
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Post by smallthorner on Aug 17, 2024 19:48:21 GMT
We’re going to have to reign our expectations in a bit. There’s not a chance that this team will be anywhere near challenging this season. Top half is the best we can hope for. Yeh... That's about right. Just very deflating isn't it ... |
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Post by Biblical on Aug 17, 2024 19:48:48 GMT
1st half was ok. 2nd half was as bad as anything I’ve seen in recent years. The comments from Schumacher after the game can only be to make sure he doesn’t lose the players because it didn’t reflect the performance at all. I’m disgusted at the manner in which we conceded the goals and played in general in that 2nd half. We weren’t even doing the basics, the 1st goal where their player reacts to it and we’ve got 3 defenders standing there completely rooted to the spot just about summed it up. Schoolboy stuff. Not to make excuses, but I thought the lad was actually offside for the first goal. Possibly. Play to the whistle is basics though isn’t it and we didn’t do it. |
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Post by blackpoolred on Aug 17, 2024 20:24:25 GMT
Being asked to polish a turd at the moment, squad is weaker than the one that just survived the drop last year. Tis also his job to get the players in that he wants though - so he and the rest of the team behind the scenes will get their first bit of judgement come the end of the window, until then try and get some points on the board. I know we also have a few injuries, but, for me, if the quality and depth in the squad does not improve significantly, he is going to have to earn his money again this season. Yes, we don't have many goals in the team, but we have to improve the quality and numbers in defence, if you can't defend everything else is a waste of time and we don't want to be playing square pegs in defence after 2 games for the umpteenth year on the trot, just because we have picked up 1 or 2 injuries and because of yet another bizarre window with no investment in that area. We have 400 central midfield players now, so let's sign a quality right-back, rock the city central defender or 2 and a decent striker before the window closes - how hard can it be  |
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Post by Scrotnig on Aug 17, 2024 21:52:37 GMT
Nothing’s changed for me. I’m very much on the fence with him. He definitely earned the right to start this season but there’s denying today was not good enough. It very much needs to be a one off or else we’re going to repeat last season’s mess.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 17, 2024 21:55:35 GMT
Still out of his depth.
And I’ll still be shocked if he’s still here come December.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 17, 2024 23:02:51 GMT
I'm not going to be too harsh on him.
Had we had Lawal, Junho, Gallagher, Moran and a decent RB on today from the start it would have been a totally different game.
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Post by Jimmyg on Aug 18, 2024 0:09:28 GMT
I just wish he'd play the simple game for now trying to stamp his style of play is simply not working as we found out last season. He changed towards the end of last season into a team who could grind out results put in a good performance and build confidence,if he persists with the current tactics it's only going to cause more discontent amongst fans and create a toxic environment as it was last season before he saw sense and changed the set up. On paper we were equally as good as them only we got the tactics wrong and left spaces that they exploited it's as simple as that.
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Post by senojbor on Aug 18, 2024 0:32:31 GMT
We've lost one game making the same mistakes as we did last season. The same tactics that saw us into the bottom three, so no it isn't just one game. It's a clear repeat of what he did wrong last year. Why you keep peddling the nonsense that I don't like him and never have I don't know. You haven't got a clue what I like and don't like and you never engage in a debate to find out. Just cast your aspersions and disappear off. I’ve engaged with you many many times, it’s out there have a look You wanted him gone after a few games last season before apparently “it’s too late” You then relented before re appearing to again appeal to get rid “as it’s our only chance of survival” And yet again 2 games in , yes 2 games in you are after him again Enjoy your evening as after all we’re all Stoke Not worth arguing with bud |
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Post by senojbor on Aug 18, 2024 0:37:12 GMT
Superb record over the last 11 games. Same team as last week when perhaps he could have altered it a bit but hey ho we lost. Not throat cutting times yet.
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Post by ashleyscfc on Aug 18, 2024 0:37:51 GMT
I'm not going to be too harsh on him. Had we had Lawal, Junho, Gallagher, Moran and a decent RB on today from the start it would have been a totally different game. The goalkeeper and back 4 I can get my head around It’s the rest of it that makes no sense. Burger is going to be the next Joe Allen if we’re not careful. He needs playing deeper and doing less well. The idea he’s some sort of marauding attacking midfielder is for the birds. Also the idea league ones one Jordan Thomson is still doing a starters job for us bewilders me. We need to play 4231 with a proper 10. Either Junho or Moran. GK Johannson Bonham Fielding RB Junior Gooch CB Gibson Rose Wilmot LB Bocat Stevens CDM Pearson Thomson Lawal CM Burger Baker Laurent CAM Jun ho Moran Johnson RW Manhoef ST Gallagher Ennis Maee LW Vidigal Koumas Clear where the gaps and inferior players are… |
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Aug 18, 2024 6:10:25 GMT
Stop playing & planning on playing a system we still dont have the players for!
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