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Post by mrcoke on Apr 29, 2024 17:19:30 GMT
I have definitely enjoyed the football more than the Neil's tenure. To say it has been like a breath of fresh air would be exaggerating though. He started well but the lost his way for a period. The reasons why are academic but the important thing he has got the course back on track. This has been done despite some serious weaknesses in defending. Southampton could have scored 3 or 4 on Saturday. He has been helped by the GK finding some form and I think Stevens contribution as a proper LB has also helped. He certainly deserves the opportunity now to stamp his own mark on the composition of the squad in the summer. We need at least one quality CB if not two; Soutter would be a dream. The major requirement is finding someone who can regularly stick the ball in the net. He has got the team creating chances, but there is still a lack of goals. Maybe he should sign "own goal" who seems to score a lot for us.  |
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Post by jokker on Apr 29, 2024 17:21:07 GMT
I think it is very important to go in to a new season on the back of a decent finish to the previous one even if several of the personnel change. Momentum, a precious yet elusive quality! And one we've not really ever had since our return to the Championship. What about O'Neill's first half season? We won lots of matches at the end of that season, Powell was on song, and we finished in a somewhat respectable 16th, at least compared to where we were before he came. Then the next season started and we went immediately on a downward spiral. So much for the precious qualities of momentum.... |
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Post by mickstupp on Apr 29, 2024 17:24:24 GMT
I think it is very important to go in to a new season on the back of a decent finish to the previous one even if several of the personnel change. Momentum, a precious yet elusive quality! And one we've not really ever had since our return to the Championship. What about O'Neill's first half season? We won lots of matches at the end of that season, Powell was on song, and we finished in a somewhat respectable 16th, at least compared to where we were before he came. Then the next season started and we went immediately on a downward spiral. So much for the precious qualities of momentum.... More nonsense. We only just stayed up in MONs first season in a similar way that we have this time. We started the following season (20/21) very brightly and were 7th on Boxing Day and looking well set. The season unraveled due to injuries to our best players. |
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Post by silsdenstokie on Apr 29, 2024 18:47:57 GMT
I never got the Neil love in by quite a few posters. Many were the self proclaimed 'tactical experts' and got seduced by Neil's often wordy explanations of how we lost tactically. sadly the useless twat rarely used taht knowledge to actually win a game. He was an unlikeable arrogant individual who gave the impression he knew everything and had nothing to learn. I much prefer someone who knows there is always something new to learn. Schumacher has already stated he is an inexperienced manager who is eager to learn. I think he already shown that in his short tenure here. I can't remember anyone liking him, he was a mercenary manager. I'm glad he has gone, he was here for the wrong reasons The way he ditchedSunderland to come to us concerned me right from the start Still thought he may do ok for us but he was far worse than expected. Id have binned him last summer given the way he ended last season |
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Post by silsdenstokie on Apr 29, 2024 18:50:16 GMT
What about O'Neill's first half season? We won lots of matches at the end of that season, Powell was on song, and we finished in a somewhat respectable 16th, at least compared to where we were before he came. Then the next season started and we went immediately on a downward spiral. So much for the precious qualities of momentum.... More nonsense. We only just stayed up in MONs first season in a similar way that we have this time. We started the following season (20/21) very brightly and were 7th on Boxing Day and looking well set. The season unraveled due to injuries to our best players. MON did an outstanding job in that first season. Really thought we’d struck gold with him |
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Post by mickstupp on Apr 29, 2024 18:53:07 GMT
More nonsense. We only just stayed up in MONs first season in a similar way that we have this time. We started the following season (20/21) very brightly and were 7th on Boxing Day and looking well set. The season unraveled due to injuries to our best players. MON did an outstanding job in that first season. Really thought we’d struck gold with him Yeah me too. Looking back, I think if we’d have managed to keep that trio of Campbell, Fletcher and Powell fit we would have gotten into the top 6. We kept 23 clean sheets that season even with a rookie keeper like Bursik in goal. |
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Post by Gods on Apr 29, 2024 18:55:41 GMT
More nonsense. We only just stayed up in MONs first season in a similar way that we have this time. We started the following season (20/21) very brightly and were 7th on Boxing Day and looking well set. The season unraveled due to injuries to our best players. MON did an outstanding job in that first season. Really thought we’d struck gold with him I did too. One day you're right there, then something slips. |
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Post by silsdenstokie on Apr 29, 2024 18:56:57 GMT
MON did an outstanding job in that first season. Really thought we’d struck gold with him Yeah me too. Looking back, I think if we’d have managed to keep that trio of Campbell, Fletcher and Powell fit we would have gotten into the top 6. We kept 23 clean sheets that season even with a rookie keeper like Bursik in goal. A fit Fletcher would have been just the ticket Quality player, just a shame we got him at the end of his career |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2024 18:57:31 GMT
Steady end to the season, overall poor. Scraping survival with 1 game to go can’t be described as anything else really
If he stays (he will) he really needs to get preseason right and a strong start.
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Post by mickstupp on Apr 29, 2024 19:04:07 GMT
Yeah me too. Looking back, I think if we’d have managed to keep that trio of Campbell, Fletcher and Powell fit we would have gotten into the top 6. We kept 23 clean sheets that season even with a rookie keeper like Bursik in goal. A fit Fletcher would have been just the ticket Quality player, just a shame we got him at the end of his career We had a really congested run of fixtures in the December. Something ridiculous like ten league games plus a league cup quarter final against Spurs. The players just seemed to drop like nine pins and we just didn’t possess the depth in quality to maintain a promotion push. |
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Post by Davef on Apr 29, 2024 19:51:08 GMT
Steady end to the season, overall poor. Scraping survival with 1 game to go can’t be described as anything else really If he stays (he will) he really needs to get preseason right and a strong start. You do realise that his first game in charge was our 23rd match of the season, taking over a club on a severe downward trajectory? His brief was to keep us in this league, which he's managed to do. |
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Post by baconburger on Apr 29, 2024 20:02:35 GMT
Steady end to the season, overall poor. Scraping survival with 1 game to go can’t be described as anything else really If he stays (he will) he really needs to get preseason right and a strong start. You do realise that his first game in charge was our 23rd match of the season, taking over a club on a severe downward trajectory? His brief was to keep us in this league, which he's managed to do. A team who'd recently lost to Sheff Wed and Plymouth. I hoped he'd get us scoring more which he sadly hasn't been able to achieve but there has been enough glimpses of how it could be better to stick with the HC and the recruitment process. Just hope the Erik P, J Rod rumours and any other such has beens is way wide of the mark. |
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Post by foxysgloves on Apr 29, 2024 20:33:29 GMT
I can't remember anyone liking him, he was a mercenary manager. I'm glad he has gone, he was here for the wrong reasons The way he ditchedSunderland to come to us concerned me right from the start Still thought he may do ok for us but he was far worse than expected. Id have binned him last summer given the way he ended last season Yeah I’m not a fan of…..errrrmmmm….managers who….errrrr….ditch other clubs to…..ummmmm….take another job with a club of similar league position. 🫣🫣🫣 |
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Post by silsdenstokie on Apr 29, 2024 20:40:10 GMT
The way he ditchedSunderland to come to us concerned me right from the start Still thought he may do ok for us but he was far worse than expected. Id have binned him last summer given the way he ended last season Yeah I’m not a fan of…..errrrmmmm….managers who….errrrr….ditch other clubs to…..ummmmm….take another job with a club of similar league position. 🫣🫣🫣 Ha ha, I see where you are coming from! I would see Plymouth to Stoke as a step up, maybe not Sunderland to Stoke But its a fair point! |
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Post by foxysgloves on Apr 29, 2024 20:42:19 GMT
Yeah I’m not a fan of…..errrrmmmm….managers who….errrrr….ditch other clubs to…..ummmmm….take another job with a club of similar league position. 🫣🫣🫣 Ha ha, I see where you are coming from! I would see Plymouth to Stoke as a step up, maybe not Sunderland to Stoke But its a fair point! I like Schumacher a lot more. And I agree Stoke was a step up! |
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Post by silsdenstokie on Apr 29, 2024 20:46:42 GMT
Ha ha, I see where you are coming from! I would see Plymouth to Stoke as a step up, maybe not Sunderland to Stoke But its a fair point! I like Schumacher a lot more. And I agree Stoke was a step up! Just felt that Neil was coming here purely for the money With Schu, whilst money was obviously a factor, I reckon he also saw it as a fantastic career opportunity which hopefully he will fulfill. Hed probably hit his ceiling at Plymouth |
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Post by thisisouryear on Apr 29, 2024 21:39:03 GMT
I like Schumacher a lot more. And I agree Stoke was a step up! Just felt that Neil was coming here purely for the money With Schu, whilst money was obviously a factor, I reckon he also saw it as a fantastic career opportunity which hopefully he will fulfill. Hed probably hit his ceiling at Plymouth Didn't Neil miss Sunderland's game to come and watch us play just before he signed? There's was always something very unlikeable about him |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2024 22:30:01 GMT
Steady end to the season, overall poor. Scraping survival with 1 game to go can’t be described as anything else really If he stays (he will) he really needs to get preseason right and a strong start. You do realise that his first game in charge was our 23rd match of the season, taking over a club on a severe downward trajectory? His brief was to keep us in this league, which he's managed to do. I’m fully aware but I also realise he has made many poor decisions in his time here. He kept us up by the skin of our teeth. It’s far from an achievement. Like I said he’s got a lot to prove next season because if we have a bad start he will be gone. Fingers crossed he turns out to be a gem, he’s got to improve a lot though so let’s hope this relegation battle has given him a new perspective. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2024 22:32:50 GMT
Steady end to the season, overall poor. Scraping survival with 1 game to go can’t be described as anything else really If he stays (he will) he really needs to get preseason right and a strong start. You do realise that his first game in charge was our 23rd match of the season, taking over a club on a severe downward trajectory? His brief was to keep us in this league, which he's managed to do. We still are on a downward trajectory, he hasn’t come in and had some kind of new manager bounce, results wise we’ve pretty much carried on from those first 23 games. Like I said the last few games have been decent but bar the odd one before that they were in the main dreadful with bad tactical decisions from starting lineups, formations to subs… let’s not pretend he’s changed us and we have turned a corner. |
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Post by mrcoke on Apr 30, 2024 13:00:01 GMT
You do realise that his first game in charge was our 23rd match of the season, taking over a club on a severe downward trajectory? His brief was to keep us in this league, which he's managed to do. We still are on a downward trajectory, he hasn’t come in and had some kind of new manager bounce, results wise we’ve pretty much carried on from those first 23 games. Like I said the last few games have been decent but bar the odd one before that they were in the main dreadful with bad tactical decisions from starting lineups, formations to subs… let’s not pretend he’s changed us and we have turned a corner. I think that assessment is unfair. He arrived and we had 4 matches undefeated including 2 away wins. Then we lost 2 to Brum and Sunderland in 2 matches we dominated statistically in possession, shots, etc. , but exposed our prime weakness - an inability to score. Both those games could easily have been wins on another day, if we had taken our chances. Confidence would have been sky high. Unfortunately events took a different course. After those 2 disappointing defeats we were severely thrashed by a much superior Leicester side, a side Souter can't get in which speaks volumes. That third defeat resulted in loss of confidence, chopping and changing the squad and tactics, as Schuey tried different things, injuries, suspensions, and some rank bad play and errors by some players. In a way that bad run will have done us a favour as Shuey will have decided who he doesn't want to keep this summer. I must admit my faith in him was tried and tested each week and went up and down. To his credit, Schuey has pulled things around when we could easily have totally "lost it" and sunk without trace. He has been through a baptism of fire, experiencing pressure unlike anything he will have experienced in the past. He will have a firm idea of who he wants to keep, loans he wants to buy, and who he wants the club to go and get for him to address the squad weaknesses. |
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Post by dirtygary69 on Apr 30, 2024 13:14:37 GMT
Steady end to the season, overall poor. Scraping survival with 1 game to go can’t be described as anything else really If he stays (he will) he really needs to get preseason right and a strong start. We could also end up finishing 9 points clear of the relegation zone if results go our way this weekend, which doesn't look like a scrape at all. |
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Post by pavel on Apr 30, 2024 15:00:38 GMT
It’s interesting isn’t it that he has basically done exactly the same that a certain Mr Pulis did 20 odd years ago, kept us up, ending in the same position in the table as when he took over. Yet one was hailed as the messiah by some for doing that. Go figure!
In fact Schumacher clinched safety a match earlier and maybe may end one place higher than when he arrived and in less games too.
Schumacher has done the job he was asked to do and fully deserves next season to see if he can push us onwards.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Apr 30, 2024 15:05:57 GMT
It’s interesting isn’t it that he has basically done exactly the same that a certain Mr Pulis did 20 odd years ago, kept us up, ending in the same position in the table as when he took over. Yet one was hailed as the messiah by some for doing that. Go figure! In fact Schumacher clinched safety a match earlier and maybe may end one place higher than when he arrived and in less games too. Schumacher has done the job he was asked to do and fully deserves next season to see if he can push us onwards. I'm not sure many were claiming Pulis to be a messiah for keeping us up. But he is rightly regarded as one of the 2 best managers we've ever had along with Waddington. Plenty on here can only bring themselves to give Pulis any credit through teeth so gritted they're at risk of shattering 😆 For the record I'm a big pulis fan 👍 |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2024 18:51:27 GMT
He did the bare minimum his job required and no more. Not really anything to get excited about, those that are, well less said the better.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2024 18:52:59 GMT
Steady end to the season, overall poor. Scraping survival with 1 game to go can’t be described as anything else really If he stays (he will) he really needs to get preseason right and a strong start. We could also end up finishing 9 points clear of the relegation zone if results go our way this weekend, which doesn't look like a scrape at all. Relegation a possibility with 2 games to go, not sure what you would call it if not scraping by. He's done the bare minimum and no more, some would think he's been revolutionary how they talk on here. A couple of decent games at the end of the season doesn't make up for some of the dour shite he's displayed in his time here. |
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Post by rambo61 on Apr 30, 2024 19:01:40 GMT
Just felt that Neil was coming here purely for the money With Schu, whilst money was obviously a factor, I reckon he also saw it as a fantastic career opportunity which hopefully he will fulfill. Hed probably hit his ceiling at Plymouth Didn't Neil miss Sunderland's game to come and watch us play just before he signed? There's was always something very unlikeable about him Dont forget he took the piss when we tried to get him from Preston.. a greedy twat from day one!!££ |
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Post by questionable on Apr 30, 2024 19:10:27 GMT
What really still annoys me is that this league isn’t that good but with the same staff he totally bottled it in certain games which is unacceptable.
His constant chopping and changing is/was completely unnecessary.
Does he deserve another go at it, well I can’t see the owners getting a better replacement so yes I’d say so“but but but” he needs experienced voices guiding him and not some tin pot clown he’s dealt with before and the owners staying well away m, listening John???
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Post by collo68 on Apr 30, 2024 19:32:26 GMT
We still are on a downward trajectory, he hasn’t come in and had some kind of new manager bounce, results wise we’ve pretty much carried on from those first 23 games. Like I said the last few games have been decent but bar the odd one before that they were in the main dreadful with bad tactical decisions from starting lineups, formations to subs… let’s not pretend he’s changed us and we have turned a corner. I think that assessment is unfair. He arrived and we had 4 matches undefeated including 2 away wins. Then we lost 2 to Brum and Sunderland in 2 matches we dominated statistically in possession, shots, etc. , but exposed our prime weakness - an inability to score. Both those games could easily have been wins on another day, if we had taken our chances. Confidence would have been sky high. Unfortunately events took a different course. After those 2 disappointing defeats we were severely thrashed by a much superior Leicester side, a side Souter can't get in which speaks volumes. That third defeat resulted in loss of confidence, chopping and changing the squad and tactics, as Schuey tried different things, injuries, suspensions, and some rank bad play and errors by some players. In a way that bad run will have done us a favour as Shuey will have decided who he doesn't want to keep this summer. I must admit my faith in him was tried and tested each week and went up and down. To his credit, Schuey has pulled things around when we could easily have totally "lost it" and sunk without trace. He has been through a baptism of fire, experiencing pressure unlike anything he will have experienced in the past. He will have a firm idea of who he wants to keep, loans he wants to buy, and who he wants the club to go and get for him to address the squad weaknesses. Great post and 100% accurate |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2024 20:00:30 GMT
You do realise that his first game in charge was our 23rd match of the season, taking over a club on a severe downward trajectory? His brief was to keep us in this league, which he's managed to do. We still are on a downward trajectory, he hasn’t come in and had some kind of new manager bounce, results wise we’ve pretty much carried on from those first 23 games. Like I said the last few games have been decent but bar the odd one before that they were in the main dreadful with bad tactical decisions from starting lineups, formations to subs… let’s not pretend he’s changed us and we have turned a corner. Factually this isn't correct They are on an upward trajectory. I think that's 17/18 points from the last 11 games? Over that time they are 7th/8th in the form table. Overall he's done a good job since he came in, to keep that mess up. To think otherwise would be deluded. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Apr 30, 2024 20:14:53 GMT
We still are on a downward trajectory, he hasn’t come in and had some kind of new manager bounce, results wise we’ve pretty much carried on from those first 23 games. Like I said the last few games have been decent but bar the odd one before that they were in the main dreadful with bad tactical decisions from starting lineups, formations to subs… let’s not pretend he’s changed us and we have turned a corner. I think that assessment is unfair. He arrived and we had 4 matches undefeated including 2 away wins. Then we lost 2 to Brum and Sunderland in 2 matches we dominated statistically in possession, shots, etc. , but exposed our prime weakness - an inability to score. Both those games could easily have been wins on another day, if we had taken our chances. Confidence would have been sky high. Unfortunately events took a different course. After those 2 disappointing defeats we were severely thrashed by a much superior Leicester side, a side Souter can't get in which speaks volumes. That third defeat resulted in loss of confidence, chopping and changing the squad and tactics, as Schuey tried different things, injuries, suspensions, and some rank bad play and errors by some players. In a way that bad run will have done us a favour as Shuey will have decided who he doesn't want to keep this summer. I must admit my faith in him was tried and tested each week and went up and down. To his credit, Schuey has pulled things around when we could easily have totally "lost it" and sunk without trace. He has been through a baptism of fire, experiencing pressure unlike anything he will have experienced in the past. He will have a firm idea of who he wants to keep, loans he wants to buy, and who he wants the club to go and get for him to address the squad weaknesses. A correct and very fair assessment that is 👏 |
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