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Post by march4 on Apr 27, 2024 17:38:47 GMT
Surely he has saved his job with recent form and now the hard bit comes. Let’s see what next seasons stated ambitions are and how he is planning to achieve it. In’s and outs will be interesting Totally agree. He can’t be sacked after the past couple of performances. I do fear the summer will be another mess and we will be back to square 1 at Christmas. |
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Post by walrus on Apr 27, 2024 17:39:40 GMT
All in all a pretty strong end to the season. Since Good Friday we’ve won three, drawn three, lost one, scored ten, conceded seven.
It could and arguably should have been better if Schumacher hadn’t played safe against Huddersfield and Wednesday. That would have saved a few nerves but credit where it’s due for two massive wins in the last two. Are we finally seeing his “non-negotiables” in action?
He’s here for next season, no doubt about that. I’m feeling better about that than I was two weeks ago. But please can we have a set tactical identity next season and try and play on the front foot every game. It’s not too much to ask.
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Post by a on Apr 27, 2024 19:50:48 GMT
All in all a pretty strong end to the season. Since Good Friday we’ve won three, drawn three, lost one, scored ten, conceded seven. It could and arguably should have been better if Schumacher hadn’t played safe against Huddersfield and Wednesday. That would have saved a few nerves but credit where it’s due for two massive wins in the last two. Are we finally seeing his “non-negotiables” in action? He’s here for next season, no doubt about that. I’m feeling better about that than I was two weeks ago. But please can we have a set tactical identity next season and try and play on the front foot every game. It’s not too much to ask. I think expectations amongst the sane have drastically changed in recent years. Nowadays a good season is top half. Achieve that and Schumacher has done well. |
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Post by pushon on Apr 27, 2024 20:05:38 GMT
All in all a pretty strong end to the season. Since Good Friday we’ve won three, drawn three, lost one, scored ten, conceded seven. It could and arguably should have been better if Schumacher hadn’t played safe against Huddersfield and Wednesday. That would have saved a few nerves but credit where it’s due for two massive wins in the last two. Are we finally seeing his “non-negotiables” in action? He’s here for next season, no doubt about that. I’m feeling better about that than I was two weeks ago. But please can we have a set tactical identity next season and try and play on the front foot every game. It’s not too much to ask. Or on the other hand, we could guage the tactics of the opposition before and during the game,then overwhelm them as appropriate. Maybe thats a bit 'Pie in the Sky', but it's still 11v11 and surely we must be adaptable. |
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Post by pushon on Apr 27, 2024 20:10:53 GMT
I've read very little of the thread, but my opinion is, that he's the Breath of Fresh air we've been seeking for too long.
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Post by walrus on Apr 27, 2024 20:13:49 GMT
All in all a pretty strong end to the season. Since Good Friday we’ve won three, drawn three, lost one, scored ten, conceded seven. It could and arguably should have been better if Schumacher hadn’t played safe against Huddersfield and Wednesday. That would have saved a few nerves but credit where it’s due for two massive wins in the last two. Are we finally seeing his “non-negotiables” in action? He’s here for next season, no doubt about that. I’m feeling better about that than I was two weeks ago. But please can we have a set tactical identity next season and try and play on the front foot every game. It’s not too much to ask. Or on the other hand, we could guage the tactics of the opposition before and during the game,then overwhelm them as appropriate. Maybe thats a bit 'Pie in the Sky', but it's still 11v11 and surely we must be adaptable. Obviously a degree of adjustment to suit the game situation is required, but both Neil and Schumacher have been guilty of worrying too much about what the opposition are going to do to the detriment of our players who haven’t been allowed to play to their strengths. I always remember our home wins against Arsenal in our early Prem years. We were a notoriously big, strong side and Wenger always picked his biggest and strongest players to counter it. But they weren’t as big and strong as ours and we still bullied them. If he’d played his nippy, skillful players they could well have passed around us like they always did at the Emirates. For several years now, we‘ve lacked an identity. There’s been no obvious answer to the question “What sort of team are Stoke?”. Look at Ipswich, look at Leicester, look at Leeds, look at pretty much any successful team at any level. They all have a clear identity with every player knowing their role inside out. Until we have that we’ll continue to struggle. |
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Post by senojbor on Apr 27, 2024 20:15:17 GMT
I've read very little of the thread, but my opinion is, that he's the Breath of Fresh air we've been seeking for too long. Absolutely, he came to us at the end of the game and everyone was singing his name. As I've said before the few critics on here don't reflect the supporters. |
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Post by Marc01 on Apr 27, 2024 20:22:11 GMT
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Post by Ron on Apr 27, 2024 22:02:54 GMT
We’ve stayed up. As such I shall pass comment..
I maintain that he won’t be the man to take us hope. Of course I sincerely hope he does - and he does seem a decent bloke.
Some of his tactical decisions and team selections ( the constant chopping and changing in our position was inexcusable) we’re baffling.
He also had a full janurary window where he negligently bought in his lightweight mate cundle( was garbage today- pressed well but his passing was dreadful) and his other mate Ennis who wouldn’t get a game for vale.
I remain worried about who he will bring in and what he will try to do.
What he has been doing in recent weeks has been working. We look to be developing a style - and it’s improving.
I just hope ( like MON and Hughes when they went wing back mad) that he sticks to what we’re doing well now.
We are lucky we have unearthed 3 players of genuine quality for this level who are young and will only get better. Another couple like burger bae n million and a couple of experienced players ( at the back please the centre backs give me nightmares) and we could improve.
Fingers crossed he’s seen sense and SJW has seemed an undoubtedly positive influence.
Jury is very much out- indeed the trial hasn’t even begun- we’re very much in the stages of preliminary hearings. But- the recent weeks show he could, possibly, prove me wrong and deliver a positive verdict.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Apr 28, 2024 3:07:47 GMT
All in all a pretty strong end to the season. Since Good Friday we’ve won three, drawn three, lost one, scored ten, conceded seven. It could and arguably should have been better if Schumacher hadn’t played safe against Huddersfield and Wednesday. That would have saved a few nerves but credit where it’s due for two massive wins in the last two. Are we finally seeing his “non-negotiables” in action? He’s here for next season, no doubt about that. I’m feeling better about that than I was two weeks ago. But please can we have a set tactical identity next season and try and play on the front foot every game. It’s not too much to ask. I think expectations amongst the sane have drastically changed in recent years. Nowadays a good season is top half. Achieve that and Schumacher has done well. Exactly, we need to park any pie in the sky notions of play-offs for now and focus on building a side capable of top half in the first instance. 10th-12th will do for me. That involves breaching 60 points for a start and ensuring our attacking players are capable of scoring goals on the regular. I don't think we're far away from the likes of Bristol City, Preston or Cardiff whatsoever. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Apr 28, 2024 5:28:19 GMT
Done the job he was brought in to do and earned his right to see what he can do with us next season.
There have been some good signs recently of what he can do and some if the football has been good to watch. This was his first taste of leading a club through a difficult patch and credit to him for coming through. He'll be a better head coach for the experience and he will have earned the respect of the players for digging us out of a hole.
I'm pretty positive about next season and if we can sort the defence out I can see us getting our first top half finish since relegation. That might not be enough for some but for me that's finally turning the corner.
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Post by stokeykez on Apr 28, 2024 6:15:07 GMT
I feel progress in itself is getting to the end of the season without the undying wish that the board get rid of the shit show of a manager before we kick in for preseason.
I am looking forward to seeing schuey and Jon Walters take this club forward. What will be will be , but the club must know that the free fall of the last 5 years cannot continue.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Apr 28, 2024 6:19:15 GMT
I've read very little of the thread, but my opinion is, that he's the Breath of Fresh air we've been seeking for too long. I don’t mean this to sound harsh, but how is he a breath of fresh air? I don’t see it. I think he’s been very similar to previous managers. Picking players from a pot Regular formation changes Lacking in confidence Odd substitutes Strange tactics or lack of them |
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Post by GeneralFaye on Apr 28, 2024 6:21:23 GMT
Since I said he can quite happily disappear in the summer he's stuck 2 fingers up at me and proven me wrong.
Hopefully we can keep the few bright sparks we have and build a top half team (at last) in the summer.
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 28, 2024 8:04:27 GMT
Mission accomplished for this season i.e. keeping us in this hell hole division. Done a superb job with what he inherited, which was a mess.
Totally vindicated John Coates decision to get rid of idiots Neil and Martin and sticking with StS. Another good decision looks like Walters as Sporting Director. Perhaps things are changing for us.
Onto next season with some positivity. Good times ahead?
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Post by chiswickpotter on Apr 28, 2024 9:41:16 GMT
Shows potential. I struggled to form a view as the good start evaporated as decision-making became confused and naive. When we had Junior roaming out of control in midfield we were a sitting duck. A few false starts but signs both home and away of a style of play and selection. I have believed for a long time we have had better players than our league position and a clear strategy was needed, recently SS appears to be delivering and has earned the chance to create his team.
I would like to see us go for quality not quantity in the summer, to which end I would keep Stevens and try to get Hoever and Campbell on deals
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Post by walrus on Apr 28, 2024 9:49:29 GMT
I think expectations amongst the sane have drastically changed in recent years. Nowadays a good season is top half. Achieve that and Schumacher has done well. Exactly, we need to park any pie in the sky notions of play-offs for now and focus on building a side capable of top half in the first instance. 10th-12th will do for me. That involves breaching 60 points for a start and ensuring our attacking players are capable of scoring goals on the regular. I don't think we're far away from the likes of Bristol City, Preston or Cardiff whatsoever. The Championship is so tight that realistically a side capable of finishing in the top half is also a side capable of finishing in the playoffs. Any team that’s in the top half with ten games to go will be thinking they could make the playoffs with a strong end to the season and/or a few lucky breaks. |
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Post by roylandstoke on Apr 28, 2024 10:56:14 GMT
No worse than AN.
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Apr 28, 2024 11:06:48 GMT
Shows potential. I struggled to form a view as the good start evaporated as decision-making became confused and naive. When we had Junior roaming out of control in midfield we were a sitting duck. A few false starts but signs both home and away of a style of play and selection. I have believed for a long time we have had better players than our league position and a clear strategy was needed, recently SS appears to be delivering and has earned the chance to create his team. I would like to see us go for quality not quantity in the summer, to which end I would keep Stevens and try to get Hoever and Campbell on deals Agree with most of that, in fact all except keeping Campbell on some sort of deal. I really think his time at the club has run its course and it would be better for both parties to go separate ways. It’s taken a fair while but I honestly feel Schumacher has come of age with a more settled team selection and style of play. The inverted full back idea was as daft as the wing back system with no available wing backs but last few games (Swansea excepted) he’s demonstrated he can be a very decent Head Coach. |
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Post by gingerninja on Apr 28, 2024 11:11:36 GMT
Would be excellent if we could finish the season on a high, with a positive performance and result against Bristol City. Would set us up really nicely for the summer.
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Post by thornestein on Apr 28, 2024 13:28:00 GMT
Would be excellent if we could finish the season on a high, with a positive performance and result against Bristol City. Would set us up really nicely for the summer. what would that give him points per game ??? |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 28, 2024 14:15:13 GMT
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Apr 28, 2024 18:36:52 GMT
Celebrate success relief for not failing
We’ve nothing to celebrate but I’m relieved we didn’t get relegated
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Post by silverdollar on Apr 28, 2024 18:42:57 GMT
What do we need a verdict for? Let the man get on with the good job he is doing. He has a contract and signs are that the players are developing an excellent team spirit.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 28, 2024 18:50:05 GMT
I’d still sack him as I just don’t trust him after he shat himself after the Brum home game.
It was totally unnecessary and meant we were in a relegation battle for far longer than we should have been.
It’s been good to see that we have had a go in the last few games but I just don’t have the faith that he won’t shit himself again.
He won’t be sacked though. So going forward we shouldn’t let him near transfers based on his two so far. That’s a given. And then next season he’s just got to keep being positive. There is no need to change that.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Apr 28, 2024 18:54:57 GMT
What do we need a verdict for? Let the man get on with the good job he is doing. He has a contract and signs are that the players are developing an excellent team spirit. If you haven’t noticed that people are divided or indifferent about him, you’ve not read many posts in this thread!🙂 |
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Post by silverdollar on Apr 28, 2024 19:01:18 GMT
I’d still sack him as I just don’t trust him after he shat himself after the Brum home game. It was totally unnecessary and meant we were in a relegation battle for far longer than we should have been. It’s been good to see that we have had a go in the last few games but I just don’t have the faith that he won’t shit himself again. He won’t be sacked though. So going forward we shouldn’t let him near transfers based on his two so far. That’s a given. And then next season he’s just got to keep being positive. There is no need to change that. I'm sorry but your observation about defacation is based on your opinion not on the realities of this particular division and the whole host of new players he had to organise. A win next week will see us with 56 points. To Me it reflects what a superb job he is doing. |
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Post by robwahlmann on Apr 28, 2024 19:02:04 GMT
Last 9 games we have 4 3 2 = 15 points. 15:9 = 1.67 per game which isn't too bad I think.  Over a season that would be around 76-77 points which is very good in my opinion. It would actually be so good that we would be fighting for the play-offs!  |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 28, 2024 19:03:34 GMT
I’d still sack him as I just don’t trust him after he shat himself after the Brum home game. It was totally unnecessary and meant we were in a relegation battle for far longer than we should have been. It’s been good to see that we have had a go in the last few games but I just don’t have the faith that he won’t shit himself again. He won’t be sacked though. So going forward we shouldn’t let him near transfers based on his two so far. That’s a given. And then next season he’s just got to keep being positive. There is no need to change that. I'm sorry but your observation about defacation is based on your opinion not on the realities of this particular division and the whole host of new players he had to organise. A win next week will see us with 56 points. To Me it reflects what a superb job he is doing. He organised them from the get go though. We were playing quite well. He shat himself and we got worse. Much worse. And then changed back again. Why did he shit himself in the first place when there was no need to? This season has been shocking. He’s not been superb in the slightest. He’s won 3 home games? It’s an appalling record. |
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Post by andystokey on Apr 28, 2024 19:10:36 GMT
I think I've got this right this isn't an insignificant change since Cardiff, the first game after Ricky left.
19th Dec Appointed
DWDDWLLLLWL
12pts 11 Games
22nd Feb Ricky Martin sacked
LWLWLWDDLDWW
18pts 12 games
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Over a season that would be around 76-77 points which is very good in my opinion. It would actually be so good that we would be fighting for the play-offs! 
