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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 1, 2024 18:28:37 GMT
Postal votes should only be available for people who for medical reasons cannot attend a polling station And people who can prove they will not be in there constituency at the time voting takes place These ballots could be distributed by polling officers and collected in a sealed ballot box as there dshould be so few of them If the majority of people can get off there arses to vote So should the lazy few What if you are away for work? Or on holiday? Voter fraud is an absolute myth. It just doesn’t really happen. Of the 1,386 cases of alleged electoral fraud reported to police between 2018 and 2022, 9 led to convictions and the police issued 6 cautions. Whereas in local elections last year, 14,000 voters were turned away for not having the correct id. How many then returned with the correct id? Half at the most I would guess. However, the actual figure of 14,000 was likely to be higher given that almost 40% of polling stations used “greeters”, tasked with telling voters before they went in that ID was needed. If a person left before going into the polling station they were not recorded in the data. Polling stations that used greeters showed notably lower average rates of people turned away than those that did not – 0.55% against 0.8%. 4% of those asked that did not vote said it was because of voter id requirements. So the new law introduced by Johnson is a much greater threat to our democracy than electoral fraud. I already mentioned that people who could prove they would not be in the constituency during voting hours should have the option of a postal vote 7am - 10 pm A postal vote shouldn’t be used for convenience
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 1, 2024 18:29:02 GMT
No he's a bigger prick than him. Very disablist. You watching that new ch4 comedy show tonight? Salivating at the prospect!
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Post by franklin on Mar 1, 2024 18:30:31 GMT
I find it profoundly sad that a man like this is voted into the HOC.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 1, 2024 19:03:03 GMT
He achieved what he set out to do. Yes I believe we should vote for policies and not attack the personalities( as you seem to want to do) Having said that both those you mention are good leaders, are prepared to answer questions, clear orators and believe what they are saying....and are not afraid to say what they think , irrespective of any party allegiance. Like most people ( such as Clegg, memoir authors, guest speakers, advisers etc) they have also made the most of their opportunities, and in the case of Farage apparently going in the jungle did his reputation no harm as a human being ( not thst I've ever seen any of it) The obsession with Farage is impressive though Nige answers a question. He answers well. In fact I would say he is one of the most convincing serial liars in recent political history. I wouldn't
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 1, 2024 19:04:47 GMT
Postal votes should only be available for people who for medical reasons cannot attend a polling station And people who can prove they will not be in there constituency at the time voting takes place These ballots could be distributed by polling officers and collected in a sealed ballot box as there dshould be so few of them If the majority of people can get off there arses to vote So should the lazy few What if you are away for work? Or on holiday? Voter fraud is an absolute myth. It just doesn’t really happen. Of the 1,386 cases of alleged electoral fraud reported to police between 2018 and 2022, 9 led to convictions and the police issued 6 cautions. Whereas in local elections last year, 14,000 voters were turned away for not having the correct id. How many then returned with the correct id? Half at the most I would guess. However, the actual figure of 14,000 was likely to be higher given that almost 40% of polling stations used “greeters”, tasked with telling voters before they went in that ID was needed. If a person left before going into the polling station they were not recorded in the data. Polling stations that used greeters showed notably lower average rates of people turned away than those that did not – 0.55% against 0.8%. 4% of those asked that did not vote said it was because of voter id requirements. So the new law introduced by Johnson is a much greater threat to our democracy than electoral fraud. Postal fraud is indeed hard to detect and prosecute. There is no need whatsoever for most of the postal votes. People do indeed need to get their id sorted out.
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 1, 2024 19:13:39 GMT
What if you are away for work? Or on holiday? Voter fraud is an absolute myth. It just doesn’t really happen. Of the 1,386 cases of alleged electoral fraud reported to police between 2018 and 2022, 9 led to convictions and the police issued 6 cautions. Whereas in local elections last year, 14,000 voters were turned away for not having the correct id. How many then returned with the correct id? Half at the most I would guess. However, the actual figure of 14,000 was likely to be higher given that almost 40% of polling stations used “greeters”, tasked with telling voters before they went in that ID was needed. If a person left before going into the polling station they were not recorded in the data. Polling stations that used greeters showed notably lower average rates of people turned away than those that did not – 0.55% against 0.8%. 4% of those asked that did not vote said it was because of voter id requirements. So the new law introduced by Johnson is a much greater threat to our democracy than electoral fraud. Postal fraud is indeed hard to detect and prosecute. There is no need whatsoever for most of the postal votes. People do indeed need to get their id sorted out. They shouldn’t need ID
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 1, 2024 19:17:40 GMT
Nige answers a question. He answers well. In fact I would say he is one of the most convincing serial liars in recent political history. I wouldn't Yes, perhaps on second thoughts he isn’t actually that convincing.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 1, 2024 19:18:47 GMT
Yes, perhaps on second thoughts he isn’t actually that convincing. He managed to convince a good number of the electorate in 2016. Against all odds I might add
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 1, 2024 19:23:09 GMT
Postal fraud is indeed hard to detect and prosecute. There is no need whatsoever for most of the postal votes. People do indeed need to get their id sorted out. They shouldn’t need ID They should
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Post by gawa on Mar 1, 2024 19:29:57 GMT
And there should be a form of free ID which is eligible for ALL voters. Not just over 60s.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Mar 1, 2024 19:31:18 GMT
No he's a bigger prick than him. Very disablist. You watching that new ch4 comedy show tonight? I know who you mean. Has a problem with the word “woke”. Yeah, he can't spell it.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 1, 2024 19:33:06 GMT
I know who you mean. Has a problem with the word “woke”. Yeah, he can't spell it. He gets confused as to whether the word in question is singular or can be used as a plural🤔
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 1, 2024 19:34:40 GMT
Yes, perhaps on second thoughts he isn’t actually that convincing. He managed to convince a good number of the electorate in 2016. Against all odds I might add Yes, his lies were swallowed and it was a disaster when they were exposed
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 1, 2024 19:35:51 GMT
Why? When voter fraud isn’t an issue, why do we need IDs? But if we do, it should be a free ID available to all
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 1, 2024 19:38:44 GMT
He managed to convince a good number of the electorate in 2016. Against all odds I might add Yes, his lies were swallowed and it was a disaster when they were exposed So he is good at the convincing bit then? Glad you agree😉
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Post by iancransonsknees on Mar 1, 2024 19:38:50 GMT
You should only be allowed to vote if you pay council tax.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 1, 2024 19:40:57 GMT
You should only be allowed to vote if you pay council tax. Sensible approach
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Post by iancransonsknees on Mar 1, 2024 19:42:43 GMT
You should only be allowed to vote if you pay council tax. Sensible approach Would you expect any less?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 1, 2024 19:43:29 GMT
Would you expect any less? Course not👀
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Mar 1, 2024 19:43:51 GMT
He achieved what he set out to do. Yes I believe we should vote for policies and not attack the personalities( as you seem to want to do) Having said that both those you mention are good leaders, are prepared to answer questions, clear orators and believe what they are saying....and are not afraid to say what they think , irrespective of any party allegiance. Like most people ( such as Clegg, memoir authors, guest speakers, advisers etc) they have also made the most of their opportunities, and in the case of Farage apparently going in the jungle did his reputation no harm as a human being ( not thst I've ever seen any of it) The obsession with Farage is impressive though He literally never shuts up about Big Nige. It’s Nige this, Nige that. He’s clearly obsessed 👀 Come on Badge, you know my obsession is with those who have the inexplicable obsession with Big Nige
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 1, 2024 19:49:07 GMT
Why? When voter fraud isn’t an issue, why do we need IDs? But if we do, it should be a free ID available to all Security. To cut down on election fraud, in every way possible. I expect I'll need my season ticket when I go to the match tomorrow. The working class are not helpless. ( anyway, I'm in the Beer Emporium with two ardent Remainers, a Polish Liverpool fan and Scotish Man City fan) so I'll leave it to you for now Id forgotten the poliish friend is from Rochdale!!
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 1, 2024 19:49:07 GMT
Yes, his lies were swallowed and it was a disaster when they were exposed So he is good at the convincing bit then? Glad you agree😉 Yes, he convinced many people. There was a large correlation between education levels and how they voted in the referendum.
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 1, 2024 19:50:11 GMT
Why? When voter fraud isn’t an issue, why do we need IDs? But if we do, it should be a free ID available to all Security. To cut down on election fraud, in every way possible. I expect I'll need my season ticket when I go to the match tomorrow. The working class are not helpless. ( anyway, I'm in the Beer Emporium with two ardent Remainers, a Polish Liverpool fan and Scotyish Man City fan) so I'll leave it to you for now Of the 1,386 cases of alleged electoral fraud reported to police between 2018 and 2022, 9 led to convictions and the police issued 6 cautions. So everyone needs ID because of 15 people!
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 1, 2024 19:50:23 GMT
So he is good at the convincing bit then? Glad you agree😉 Yes, he convinced many people. There was a large correlation between education levels and how they voted in the referendum. 🤣
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Post by cvillestokie on Mar 1, 2024 19:51:16 GMT
Galloway: 12,335 Tully: 6,638 Tories: 3,731 Labour: 2,402 Lib Dems: 2,164 Reform: 1,968 Galloway absolutely tearing into Starmer over Gaza. Whether ultimately he can prove to be a genuine thorn in the side of Labour remains to be seen of course. Any man that had a hard on for Saddam Hussein should really be questioned on why they care about Gaza, because the lives of people in the Middle East doesn’t seem to be something that matters to them.
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Post by gawa on Mar 1, 2024 19:55:40 GMT
So he is good at the convincing bit then? Glad you agree😉 Yes, he convinced many people. There was a large correlation between education levels and how they voted in the referendum. I think the bigger correlation was probably more age than education though mate. Although not denying you're wrong either. But we should remember alot more young people go to university nowadays compared to 30 years ago. So if education is based on third level education and if more young people vote to remain then more "educated" people will have voted to remain. It's just more university graduates voted to remain and education comes in many forms too.
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 1, 2024 19:56:40 GMT
Yes, he convinced many people. There was a large correlation between education levels and how they voted in the referendum. 🤣 Perhaps he was convincing to those who struggle with the meaning of words (and plurals)!
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 1, 2024 19:58:56 GMT
Yes, he convinced many people. There was a large correlation between education levels and how they voted in the referendum. I think the bigger correlation was probably more age than education though mate. Although not denying you're wrong either. But we should remember alot more young people go to university nowadays compared to 30 years ago. So if education is based on third level education and if more young people vote to remain then more "educated" people will have voted to remain. It's just more university graduates voted to remain and education comes in many forms too. Yes, I know. I’m obviously being provocative. Farage is very convincing but he lies a lot. He reminds me a bit if Marine Le Pen (although my French isn’t quite good enough to understand everything she says). Good orators, spreading awful messages (in my opinion). Give me boring administrators as politicians rather than great bullshitters any day of the week. See Johnson and Blair. Galloway is another.
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Post by gawa on Mar 1, 2024 20:13:56 GMT
I think the bigger correlation was probably more age than education though mate. Although not denying you're wrong either. But we should remember alot more young people go to university nowadays compared to 30 years ago. So if education is based on third level education and if more young people vote to remain then more "educated" people will have voted to remain. It's just more university graduates voted to remain and education comes in many forms too. Yes, I know. I’m obviously being provocative. Farage is very convincing but he lies a lot. He reminds me a bit if Marine Le Pen (although my French isn’t quite good enough to understand everything she says). Good orators, spreading awful messages (in my opinion). Give me boring administrators as politicians rather than great bullshitters any day of the week. See Johnson and Blair. Galloway is another. That's fair enough view to have. I think if we had PR though then Farage would have had a seat a long time ago. While I don't agree with all his views, I'd have no issue with him holding a seat given a percentage of the population do like him and he represents their views. The good thing about politicians like Farage and Galloway, in my opinion, is they put real pressure on the other parties. What the conservatives have lacked for a long time is any form of right wing opposition in the house of commons which gives them a very easy ride. Someone like Farage would be a real thorn in their side who can really challenge them. I think by having these characters in politics too rather than commentating on it that they also become more accountable which is good. As its much easier to criticise from the sidelines when you're not in the hot seat. Farage talks the talk but its his voting record in the commons which would really put him under scrutiny. Could be a "do what I say not what I do" case. For leaders though yes boring over bullshitters any day.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 1, 2024 20:23:06 GMT
Security. To cut down on election fraud, in every way possible. I expect I'll need my season ticket when I go to the match tomorrow. The working class are not helpless. ( anyway, I'm in the Beer Emporium with two ardent Remainers, a Polish Liverpool fan and Scotyish Man City fan) so I'll leave it to you for now Of the 1,386 cases of alleged electoral fraud reported to police between 2018 and 2022, 9 led to convictions and the police issued 6 cautions. So everyone needs ID because of 15 people! Correct
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