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Post by stokiejoe89 on Dec 13, 2023 12:18:30 GMT
Yeah I read it was €28,000 every game. That’s €56,000 most weeks before you’ve even paid him. You could nearly get Gayle & Wesley for that. Oh fuck that’s a shit argument. Would he get fined by the EFL? Probably yeah I assume the same rules go. Pretty sure he doesn't have any coaching badges at all, he literally got the job through playing Football Manager..and some of our fans think we should go for him 🤣
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Post by baconburger on Dec 13, 2023 12:18:38 GMT
Yeah I read it was €28,000 every game. That’s €56,000 most weeks before you’ve even paid him. You could nearly get Gayle & Wesley for that. Oh fuck that’s a shit argument. Would he get fined by the EFL? Assume so we haven’t left UEFA. They’re still meant to have their A licence here.
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Post by dutchstokie on Dec 13, 2023 12:18:42 GMT
You cant tell me that out of ALL the leagues across Europe (JC cant think laterally and explore other regions of the world) AND out of contract managers at the moment, there arent better options than the shit thats been listed over the last few pages....? Manager jump clubs as weve seen so those in positions RIGHT now should be being considered. Amateurish is what it is... this fuckin club, sometimes you just have to laugh at em.....
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Post by callas12 on Dec 13, 2023 12:21:19 GMT
my brummie mates reckon Eustace style was awful but appreciate how he kept them up So at Kidderminster, a team looking to get promoted, he was lauded for playing attractive football while at Birmingham, a team in danger of relegation, he ground out results. I fail to see the problem here - he adapted his game plan to deal with the situation his team was in. I want us to play attractive football but playing it for the sake of it is just stupid. At the moment we are a soft touch incapable of seeing games out - we have to sort out the defence, become hard to beat and then worry about being entertaining. For me Eustace got his priorities right at Birmingham and I suspect most of their fans would acknowledge that and he was very unlucky not to get the opportunity to show what he could with a side not in immediate danger of relegation. I'm hardly thrilled at the prospect but given where we are I think we could do a lot worse than Eustace. I agree with all this. & perhaps the one thing alot of Stoke fans are overlooking right now when deciding on who the new man should be is that JE would be someone who genuinely wants to manage Stoke City FC, of course the pay cheque will be handsome & the funds available to him will be plentiful, & his job at Stoke would be more secure than the American show boat ponies at Blues could ever offer him. But deeper down & aside from any fiancial incentives is a guy who will genuinely get Stoke City FC, Stoke On Trent & who will genuinely want to succeed for himself & be given a fair crack at managing a Championship Club to greater things. JE will be eager to get back in the dug after his shocking sacking at Blues, but he wants the job & wants to succeed. Potentially John Eustace is the most hungry and genuine potential manager we're casting our net over. Very reminiscent to when TP appeared at his initial press conference, in the shadows of the George Burley U Turn came a guy who believed in himself and his abilities and was totally non fussed about the fact he wasn't the clubs initials target. I'd rather give JE the job than someone who is merely focused on their bank balance or putting their own reputation above that of the club like some on that list of potential managers that the bookies are cooking up.
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Post by haway on Dec 13, 2023 12:25:05 GMT
Said it on another thread, but I'd get the cheque book out for Will Still. Sunderland have made an approach amongst other clubs apparently Why? He is a football manager player who hasn't even got coaching badges and his club has to pay a fine every game he is in charge (that was the case earlier this season I assume it still is) Why do people want this guy but then say the likes of Eustace, Parker, Lampard etc don't have experience 🤣🤣 They don’t pay a fine anymore. talksport.com/football/1363115/reims-will-still-fines-pro-licence-west-ham/amp/
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Post by vidigal7 on Dec 13, 2023 12:26:56 GMT
Has anyone mentioned Gaz Neville & Royston Keane yet? I think the two would definitely raise SCFC's profile in the media and we'd be one of the biggest clubs in League One 😬😁 I dont see where this league 1 stuff comes from. So that's professionalism winning mentality, Geography for loan players First dibs on Man Utd loan players Leadership Ambition Advertisement dream for 365 ( media coverage) Player pulling power Good football It's the only sensible and secure option
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Post by idle on Dec 13, 2023 12:28:26 GMT
I want us to play attractive football but playing it for the sake of it is just stupid. I think a lot of people on this board, and football fans in general, conflate attractive football and attacking football. I want to see us playing front foot, positive, attacking football. I don’t really care if it’s attractive in the conventional short passing sense or not. This is a pet peeve of mine. Sure, short passing football can be nice to watch when it works, but so is direct and even long ball footie. But when short passing football doesn't work, it's as boring as watching the grass grow. See all non-top-5 teams in Spain. It's horribly boring! At least direct football gives a bit of unpredictability. So I prefer direct football, but it should be counter-attacking, not lump it to the big man up front.
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Post by stokiejoe89 on Dec 13, 2023 12:29:47 GMT
Why? He is a football manager player who hasn't even got coaching badges and his club has to pay a fine every game he is in charge (that was the case earlier this season I assume it still is) Why do people want this guy but then say the likes of Eustace, Parker, Lampard etc don't have experience 🤣🤣 They don’t pay a fine anymore. talksport.com/football/1363115/reims-will-still-fines-pro-licence-west-ham/amp/Wasn't sure if they were still doing it. Either way for a club in our position it is still way too much of a risk. If you're mid table etc it is less of a risk. Where we are we can't afford that risk
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Post by idle on Dec 13, 2023 12:30:20 GMT
You cant tell me that out of ALL the leagues across Europe (JC cant think laterally and explore other regions of the world) AND out of contract managers at the moment, there arent better options than the shit thats been listed over the last few pages....? Manager jump clubs as weve seen so those in positions RIGHT now should be being considered. Amateurish is what it is... this fuckin club, sometimes you just have to laugh at em..... What do you think of Dick Schreuder? Do you know if he's any good at coaching? Any chance he'll come here?
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Post by stokiejoe89 on Dec 13, 2023 12:33:09 GMT
I think a lot of people on this board, and football fans in general, conflate attractive football and attacking football. I want to see us playing front foot, positive, attacking football. I don’t really care if it’s attractive in the conventional short passing sense or not. This is a pet peeve of mine. Sure, short passing football can be nice to watch when it works, but so is direct and even long ball footie. But when short passing football doesn't work, it's as boring as watching the grass grow. See all non-top-5 teams in Spain. It's horribly boring! At least direct football gives a bit of unpredictability. So I prefer direct football, but it should be counter-attacking, not lump it to the big man up front. I think the problem is some people would choose a manager who plays attractive football and doesn't always do well over a manager who plays crap football but gets results. For me points is always the number 1 priority. Whether it's a 5-0 thrashing with us looking like prime Barcelona or a 1-0 win where the ball has been lumped forward his our striker on the nose and gone in..I don't care how the points come.
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Post by baconburger on Dec 13, 2023 12:37:11 GMT
I think a lot of people on this board, and football fans in general, conflate attractive football and attacking football. I want to see us playing front foot, positive, attacking football. I don’t really care if it’s attractive in the conventional short passing sense or not. This is a pet peeve of mine. Sure, short passing football can be nice to watch when it works, but so is direct and even long ball footie. But when short passing football doesn't work, it's as boring as watching the grass grow. See all non-top-5 teams in Spain. It's horribly boring! At least direct football gives a bit of unpredictability. So I prefer direct football, but it should be counter-attacking, not lump it to the big man up front. No sorry can’t be doing with back foot counter attacking football either. Dominant front foot football even if it’s going long to a credible CF and penning a team in and bombarding them until they crumble. That was how we got in a position to be promoted until Pulis shit himself and started being all cagey. I don’t want to see the opposition dominating games, particularly home games.
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Post by dutchstokie on Dec 13, 2023 12:38:28 GMT
I think the two would definitely raise SCFC's profile in the media and we'd be one of the biggest clubs in League One 😬😁 I dont see where this league 1 stuff comes from. So that's professionalism winning mentality, Geography for loan players First dibs on Man Utd loan players Leadership Ambition Advertisement dream for 365 ( media coverage) Player pulling power Good football It's the only sensible and secure option Roy Keane.....? God help us. This is the man who walked out on his mates at the world cup and questioned one of his players ' heart for the game' .....after said player just suffered a unexpected illness (cant remember exactly what it was - its out there on ' t-interweb If he managed the club that would be the end of me and this club...... and I nearly got the sack because of him !!! ( my fault though)
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Post by idle on Dec 13, 2023 12:42:33 GMT
This is a pet peeve of mine. Sure, short passing football can be nice to watch when it works, but so is direct and even long ball footie. But when short passing football doesn't work, it's as boring as watching the grass grow. See all non-top-5 teams in Spain. It's horribly boring! At least direct football gives a bit of unpredictability. So I prefer direct football, but it should be counter-attacking, not lump it to the big man up front. No sorry can’t be doing with back foot counter attacking football either. Dominant front foot football even if it’s going long to a credible CF and penning a team in and bombarding them until they crumble. That was how we got in a position to be promoted until Pulis shit himself and started being all cagey. I don’t want to see the opposition dominating games, particularly home games. But we haven't exactly been stellar at this "keep the ball on the ground and pass it around" shit have we? We're not good enough for that. We need concurrent movement for that. Win the ball and do some forward runs, that's all I ask. I don't care how the ball is played, except when we do our specialty sending it back to the GK. Pisses me off
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Post by Goonie on Dec 13, 2023 12:46:09 GMT
I think the two would definitely raise SCFC's profile in the media and we'd be one of the biggest clubs in League One 😬😁 I dont see where this league 1 stuff comes from. So that's professionalism winning mentality, Geography for loan players First dibs on Man Utd loan players Leadership Ambition Advertisement dream for 365 ( media coverage) Player pulling power Good football It's the only sensible and secure option Agree with all that but their track record is very unispiring plus they would be torn between this role and their media roles All very concerning 😟
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Post by LGH87 on Dec 13, 2023 12:46:21 GMT
This is a pet peeve of mine. Sure, short passing football can be nice to watch when it works, but so is direct and even long ball footie. But when short passing football doesn't work, it's as boring as watching the grass grow. See all non-top-5 teams in Spain. It's horribly boring! At least direct football gives a bit of unpredictability. So I prefer direct football, but it should be counter-attacking, not lump it to the big man up front. I think the problem is some people would choose a manager who plays attractive football and doesn't always do well over a manager who plays crap football but gets results. For me points is always the number 1 priority. Whether it's a 5-0 thrashing with us looking like prime Barcelona or a 1-0 win where the ball has been lumped forward his our striker on the nose and gone in..I don't care how the points come. The issue here though is once the manager who plays shit football starts to lose games, the fans quickly lose patience.
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Post by stokiejoe89 on Dec 13, 2023 12:47:31 GMT
I think the problem is some people would choose a manager who plays attractive football and doesn't always do well over a manager who plays crap football but gets results. For me points is always the number 1 priority. Whether it's a 5-0 thrashing with us looking like prime Barcelona or a 1-0 win where the ball has been lumped forward his our striker on the nose and gone in..I don't care how the points come. The issue here though is once the manager who plays shit football starts to lose games, the fans quickly lose patience. And that's what I don't get. Why should it be any different for a manager that plays good football and loses games?
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Post by baconburger on Dec 13, 2023 12:47:59 GMT
No sorry can’t be doing with back foot counter attacking football either. Dominant front foot football even if it’s going long to a credible CF and penning a team in and bombarding them until they crumble. That was how we got in a position to be promoted until Pulis shit himself and started being all cagey. I don’t want to see the opposition dominating games, particularly home games. But we haven't exactly been stellar at this "keep the ball on the ground and pass it around" shit have we? We're not good enough for that. We need concurrent movement for that. Win the ball and do some forward runs, that's all I ask. I don't care how the ball is played, except when we do our specialty sending it back to the GK. Pisses me off Pisses me off too but I’m not anti passing or possession players just need to be instructed to take responsibility for being more positive. I think we deserve something better than cagey low possession, no territorial advantage counter attacking football particularly at home. I just want to see us try to grab games by the scruff of the neck and shake them till they’re dead. If that ends in defeat so be it.
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Post by LGH87 on Dec 13, 2023 12:48:46 GMT
The issue here though is once the manager who plays shit football starts to lose games, the fans quickly lose patience. And that's what I don't get. Why should it be any different for a manager that plays good football and loses games? I think any manager that loses games the fans will turn eventually. But front foot attacking football will always get a longer grace period than a manager that plays turgid, safety first football.
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Post by idle on Dec 13, 2023 12:51:48 GMT
But we haven't exactly been stellar at this "keep the ball on the ground and pass it around" shit have we? We're not good enough for that. We need concurrent movement for that. Win the ball and do some forward runs, that's all I ask. I don't care how the ball is played, except when we do our specialty sending it back to the GK. Pisses me off Pisses me off too but I’m not anti passing or possession players just need to be instructed to take responsibility for being more positive. I think we deserve something better than cagey low possession, no territorial advantage counter attacking football particularly at home. I just want to see us try to grab games by the scruff of the neck and shake them till they’re dead. If that ends in defeat so be it. I'm not disagreeing at all with that. My point was that "attractive football" gets a free ride because some morons think it's stylish to pass the ball around on the ground, and it's better to not win if you play "pretty". Fuck that. I want us to win, and it doesn't matter how. You can still play attacking football even if you set your pressing zone lower on the pitch.
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Post by stokeypenn89 on Dec 13, 2023 12:51:51 GMT
Would he get fined by the EFL? Probably yeah I assume the same rules go. Pretty sure he doesn't have any coaching badges at all, he literally got the job through playing Football Manager..and some of our fans think we should go for him 🤣 He literally didn't get the job through playing Football Manager 🤣 studied coaching since he left school and been involved in management at professional clubs since 2017. Got Reims massively over achieving. I highly doubt Coates would take the gamble though but looks like Sunderland may do.
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Post by Maccasbarmyarmy on Dec 13, 2023 12:53:09 GMT
If it is eustace why wasn’t he with Coates last night surely he would have been no?
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Post by chad on Dec 13, 2023 12:54:09 GMT
No actual news today then 🤔
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Post by stokiejoe89 on Dec 13, 2023 12:54:13 GMT
And that's what I don't get. Why should it be any different for a manager that plays good football and loses games? I think any manager that loses games the fans will turn eventually. But front foot attacking football will always get a longer grace period than a manager that plays turgid, safety first football. That seems to be the way for most and I just don't get it. The way they play should never be give them more or less time in my opinion. Losing 5 games playing nice is no different to losing 5 games playing shit stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2023 12:55:22 GMT
JDT steaming into 3/1 on BetVictor...
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Post by stokiejoe89 on Dec 13, 2023 12:56:50 GMT
Probably yeah I assume the same rules go. Pretty sure he doesn't have any coaching badges at all, he literally got the job through playing Football Manager..and some of our fans think we should go for him 🤣 He literally didn't get the job through playing Football Manager 🤣 studied coaching since he left school and been involved in management at professional clubs since 2017. Got Reims massively over achieving. I highly doubt Coates would take the gamble though but looks like Sunderland may do. But yet had zero coaching badges when he started at reims..which is the same as everyone else on here..fuck all. We aren't in a position to take a risk on someone like that while we're in 19th. I swear some people just want the clubs name in the papers and online articles more and that's why they want him 🤣
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Post by march4 on Dec 13, 2023 12:58:32 GMT
Then let the new manager appoint him as a coach. We need a damned good leader not a coach. He demonstrated leadership by keeping an apparently doomed Blues comfortably up last season So did AN with us and he is an experienced leader who was out of his depth.
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Post by dirtclod on Dec 13, 2023 12:59:24 GMT
Don't know but doubt they're far enough along in the process to have had someone "in-situ" last night. Possibly wishful on my part but maybe they're trying to THINK about the appointment this time around before just jumping at the first passing nutcase? I hope so because we're quickly running out of "rebuild" options.
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Post by stokiejoe89 on Dec 13, 2023 13:01:43 GMT
Don't know but doubt they're far enough along in the process to have had someone "in-situ" last night. Possibly wishful on my part but maybe they're trying to THINK about the appointment this time around before just jumping at the first passing nutcase? I hope so because we're quickly running out of "rebuild" options. I am honestly okay with them waiting until after this weekend to appoint someone. Can you imagine a new manager coming in and his first game being away to a very in form WBA? A loss is almost certain and new man whoever it is will get the dogs abuse instantly 🤣. Might be smart to wait and have them in for the Millwall game. Get the crowd up.
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Post by Gabrielzakuaniandjuliet on Dec 13, 2023 13:02:01 GMT
If Eustace was first choice it would be done already I imagine?
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Post by gingerninja on Dec 13, 2023 13:02:30 GMT
I am on the JDT train big time, I think it could happen 🤞👍
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