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Post by scfcno1fan on Dec 15, 2023 10:17:20 GMT
If it is Eustace, then we have zero ambition. We had the chance to go and get foreign, or find the next McKenna/Carrick etc and no we plump for the ex player whose been managing 40 mins away and did a decent job at keeping them up. This was a massive opportunity to galvanise the club and take us in a new direction and instead they’re going to appoint Rowett mk2. Absolutely get to fuck John Coates. We’ve had enough. It’s definitely a risky appointment for Coates. He hires someone along the lines of McKenna etc, he would probably get more leeway from the fans. As it is, if Eustace fails, he’ll be well under pressure from the fan base.
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Post by eddyclamp on Dec 15, 2023 10:18:29 GMT
None of us know the facts, how much would NES want? What would be his demands? What would Eustace want? probably a lot less than NES. As yet, we don`t know the next man in town, but I am sure John Coates will do his utmost to get the best men in with ffp. Lets hope this one works out. You never know in football. I was happy when we appointed Neil as were many others. Gutted it did not work out but we move on. Fingers crossed the next one works out.
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Post by chamberlain on Dec 15, 2023 10:21:23 GMT
I would have liked Nuno too but, bringing in all his backroom staff and getting rid of the present lot would surely have left less money to be spent on transfers. Would people be happy with that ? Do you think Eustace will attract players? We just don't know do we .
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Post by dirtygary69 on Dec 15, 2023 10:22:18 GMT
If it’s Eustace, it’s a desperately lazy decision that will knock out the final bit of stuffing from the club. Shut up man.
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Post by chamberlain on Dec 15, 2023 10:22:38 GMT
I would have liked Nuno too but, bringing in all his backroom staff and getting rid of the present lot would surely have left less money to be spent on transfers. Would people be happy with that ? The fractional costs of Gally et.al. is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. I don't think he will stay anyway. I wouldnt think they would be fractional all added together.
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Post by Olgrligm on Dec 15, 2023 10:24:32 GMT
In fairness, I have major reservations about all of the candidates.
Is Nuno any good if he doesn't have Mendes with him?
Will managing a particularly gifted U21s team translate to a more hands on role in the Second Division for Carsley?
Would anybody have any interest in Eustace if he hadn't previously played for us? Keeping Birmingham up is a decent achievement, but you can't read much in them having a good run at the start of the season.
Oh, and I'm not getting upset about any of them until there's a pgotograph of them holding a scarf above their head in the Waddington Suite saying 'managing Stoke has always been my dream'.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Dec 15, 2023 10:24:35 GMT
If it is Eustace, then we have zero ambition. We had the chance to go and get foreign, or find the next McKenna/Carrick etc and no we plump for the ex player whose been managing 40 mins away and did a decent job at keeping them up. This was a massive opportunity to galvanise the club and take us in a new direction and instead they’re going to appoint Rowett mk2. Absolutely get to fuck John Coates. We’ve had enough. Eustace is 42, not fucking 65. He's worked his way up and done two completely separate managerial jobs at different levels as well as working as a coach at QPR. In what way is he any different to someone like McKenna? Because he's not called Juan Eustacino? Some of the comments are just wildly OTT.
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Post by deeside2 on Dec 15, 2023 10:24:57 GMT
Well, after the last few days with our dreams and hopes of an exciting new direction we find ourselves looking at the same old same old.
It's just so bloody disappointing, depressing and deflating, but sadly so so predictable with JC in charge.
Good luck to JE as he's really going to need it on and off the pitch. He really does need to hit the ground running as any honeymoon period could be very, very short indeed if not totally non-existant.
I don't know about a new manager bounce, it feels more like a real kick in the dangly bits.
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Post by moon on Dec 15, 2023 10:27:00 GMT
If it's Eustace I think he'll have you challenging for a play-off place a year from now. I'd certainly prefer him to the likely next man at Sunderland. I like Eustace but I'm not sure it's the right move for him or us, he isn't that experienced and things will quickly turn sour if he has a bad start here, pick up some wins early on though and maybe it'll work out - it doesn't feel like a long term plan though.
I'm just fed up of us changing manager every year or two, it's exhausting. Nuno is the exciting option but it doesn't feel that realistic for us given previous appointments, that's if he's actually interested in the first place and he's affordable.
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Post by drippinggoatsnob on Dec 15, 2023 10:27:37 GMT
Do you think Eustace will attract players? We just don't know do we . He got dembele over the line as well as 1 or 2 others at brum. Who knows what his network is like.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2023 10:27:37 GMT
Could turn very sour, very quickly. Fingers crossed for some early promising performances and results; not sure fans will show much patience. Good luck SJE 🙌🤞🤞🤞🤞🙌 I don't think that at all. Stoke supporters have been much more patient with unsuccessful managers than at your average CL club. It's quite likely that certain oatcake mad men will be taking odds already on how long before the new manager is sacked, but 99,9% of Stoke supporters will be behind him to do well. As you say mate, I don't think you'll find any Stokie who won't want him to do well. After all, that's what every single one of us wants. Absolutely any appointment has an element of risk to it, but the best outcome for everyone is that - whoever's in the hotseat, whether you 'like' them or not - gets the team performing and moving up the table. But I'd certainly imagine (absolute guesswork on my part) that with the appointment of someone like SJE, our attendances will drop off even more, there will be a real apathy towards the place, and if there's an early run of poor form (like the one he had at Brum in September for example) it could turn a bit nasty with some supporters. Agree with you that we do tend to be a pretty generous bunch on the whole and will back anyone initially and give whatever benefit of the doubt we can. I'm just hoping for all our sakes that if it is SJE, he can get some good results early doors.
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Post by theporcelainpele on Dec 15, 2023 10:28:24 GMT
If it’s Eustace, it’s a desperately lazy decision that will knock out the final bit of stuffing from the club. Shut up man. Truth hurts?
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Post by RF10 on Dec 15, 2023 10:29:01 GMT
Whilst I'll get behind Eustace it really just smack of turning to your 3rd choice appointment in the way Lammert was otherwise he would have been appointed on Monday if we really wanted him.
Would the disappointment have been there has the names of Nuno and Carsley not been banded around, I don't think so half as much.
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Post by andystokey on Dec 15, 2023 10:30:48 GMT
The fractional costs of Gally et.al. is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. I don't think he will stay anyway. I wouldnt think they would be fractional all added together. My point is there is a lot more money at stake with this decision than a few coaches. If the form doesn't improve then P&S will be replaced by SCMP in L1, where clubs can only spend a fixed percentage of revenue on player wages.
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Post by stokief on Dec 15, 2023 10:30:59 GMT
I loved SJE as a player but I'm afraid he's not what we need at this moment in time. I wish him the best of luck cause he's going to need it in shedloads but.. happy to b proved wrong.. this has relegation written all over it. We needed a big character to get reaction from these players not somebody they'll have to wiki to find out who he is. Totally uninspiring I'm afraid. Good job I don't listen to the commentary any more Sorry John, but if you're the next manager you've just accepted the poison chalice.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Dec 15, 2023 10:33:05 GMT
Whilst I'll get behind Eustace it really just smack of turning to your 3rd choice appointment in the way Lammert was otherwise he would have been appointed on Monday if we really wanted him. Would the disappointment have been there has the names of Nuno and Carsley not been banded around, I don't think so half as much. In fairness Nuno hasn’t been in the press at all. Only the odd rumour. Wouldn’t surprise me if he was no where near the job.
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Post by harlequin on Dec 15, 2023 10:34:15 GMT
I dont mind Eustace.
One thing that worries me is transfermarket says is preferred formation is 3-5-2. We dont have the players for that do we?
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Post by rowleyscfc on Dec 15, 2023 10:36:35 GMT
'Ambition' ill say no more
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Post by drippinggoatsnob on Dec 15, 2023 10:37:26 GMT
I dont mind Eustace. One thing that worries me is transfermarket says is preferred formation is 3-5-2. We dont have the players for that do we? I always thought we did funnily enough. 3 attacking full backs plus Leris none of which can defend. Packed full of forwards who cant play as a 1. I'm not sure where I leaves Vidigal and Ham Sandwich though
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Post by skip on Dec 15, 2023 10:39:33 GMT
All these last few days has shown, is that a club without a plan is controlled by the tide. And rudderless. The Nuno interest suggests one way forward, Carsley another, Eustace another. If the job spec was written up, what are the desirables and essentials? These three managers are all completely different, and it's difficult not to imagine John Coates staring at their applications like a dog watching a three cups and a pea magic trick.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Dec 15, 2023 10:39:46 GMT
In what way does that help anything? In what way can anybody really know at this stage if it will work or not, or if someone more "fancy" would work? Only MON's appointment has been the one we got right since relegation with the rest being a disaster. Going over the top on a young, British, ex-Stoke player is out of order, in my opinion.
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Post by theporcelainpele on Dec 15, 2023 10:39:51 GMT
Can people just look at Birminghams results this season whilst Eustace was in charge and tell me why this is a good appointment (16th was 2 points off 6th when he got sacked). If Coates goes with it then the sooner he gives up running this club like the clown he is, the better. Absolute shit show of a club.
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Post by LGH87 on Dec 15, 2023 10:39:52 GMT
If it is Eustace, then we have zero ambition. We had the chance to go and get foreign, or find the next McKenna/Carrick etc and no we plump for the ex player whose been managing 40 mins away and did a decent job at keeping them up. This was a massive opportunity to galvanise the club and take us in a new direction and instead they’re going to appoint Rowett mk2. Absolutely get to fuck John Coates. We’ve had enough. Eustace is 42, not fucking 65. He's worked his way up and done two completely separate managerial jobs at different levels as well as working as a coach at QPR. In what way is he any different to someone like McKenna? Because he's not called Juan Eustacino? Some of the comments are just wildly OTT. Well McKenna’s name isn’t McKennarino so not sure what point you’re trying to make there😂. Eustace has already shown what he is, another pragmatist who likes to play 352 but often switches systems. Sound like anyone else you know? He’s another safe, boring appointment and I can guarantee you will end up another Rowett. Gets plucky underdogs nice mid table security but will never be anything more.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Dec 15, 2023 10:40:33 GMT
Hang on, am I right that one person has said they’ve heard it’s Eustace and we’ve all accepted that as gospel or have I missed something?
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Post by dirtygary69 on Dec 15, 2023 10:43:52 GMT
Eustace is 42, not fucking 65. He's worked his way up and done two completely separate managerial jobs at different levels as well as working as a coach at QPR. In what way is he any different to someone like McKenna? Because he's not called Juan Eustacino? Some of the comments are just wildly OTT. Well McKenna’s name isn’t McKennarino so not sure what point you’re trying to make there😂. Eustace has already shown what he is, another pragmatist who likes to play 352 but often switches systems. Sound like anyone else you know? He’s another safe, boring appointment and I can guarantee you will end up another Rowett. Gets plucky underdogs nice mid table security but will never be anything more. He's shown that he's a pragmatist at Birmingham who were utterly shite and wrecked financially? He's had one job at this level, so how can you guarantee anything?
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 15, 2023 10:44:28 GMT
Hang on, am I right that one person has said they’ve heard it’s Eustace and we’ve all accepted that as gospel or have I missed something? Think it's that coupled with the odds drop and the claim Carsley has said no (although I can't find that in the Mail online - maybe it was in the paper copy?) He really came in about quarter to ten last night. From about 3s to 1/2. And more overnight Still not 100% convinced it'll be him, but starting to get that sense
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Post by jokker on Dec 15, 2023 10:44:36 GMT
I don't think that at all. Stoke supporters have been much more patient with unsuccessful managers than at your average CL club. It's quite likely that certain oatcake mad men will be taking odds already on how long before the new manager is sacked, but 99,9% of Stoke supporters will be behind him to do well. As you say mate, I don't think you'll find any Stokie who won't want him to do well. After all, that's what every single one of us wants. Absolutely any appointment has an element of risk to it, but the best outcome for everyone is that - whoever's in the hotseat, whether you 'like' them or not - gets the team performing and moving up the table. But I'd certainly imagine (absolute guesswork on my part) that with the appointment of someone like SJE, our attendances will drop off even more, there will be a real apathy towards the place, and if there's an early run of poor form (like the one he had at Brum in September for example) it could turn a bit nasty with some supporters. Agree with you that we do tend to be a pretty generous bunch on the whole and will back anyone initially and give whatever benefit of the doubt we can. I'm just hoping for all our sakes that if it is SJE, he can get some good results early doors. There's always someone eager to come out of the woodwork and come down on a new manager, especially if it wasn't their preferred candidate. I think I had him as 1 of 4 in the poll, but it doesn't mean he was top of my list. The list was just so limited at the time. However if the decision is made in his favour then support him we must, as you indicate. Maybe I'm overoptimistic but provided we do reasonably then I don't think the attendence will drop alarmingly just because he's an unfancied choice. It's suprisingly high to begin with for a bottom third club for five seasons running.
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Post by LGH87 on Dec 15, 2023 10:46:24 GMT
Well McKenna’s name isn’t McKennarino so not sure what point you’re trying to make there😂. Eustace has already shown what he is, another pragmatist who likes to play 352 but often switches systems. Sound like anyone else you know? He’s another safe, boring appointment and I can guarantee you will end up another Rowett. Gets plucky underdogs nice mid table security but will never be anything more. He's shown that he's a pragmatist at Birmingham who were utterly shite and wrecked financially? He's had one job at this level, so how can you guarantee anything? Only time will tell I guess but let’s talk again in 3/4 months and see what we think then. I’m pretty confident you’ll have changed your tune though.
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Post by theporcelainpele on Dec 15, 2023 10:47:00 GMT
In what way does that help anything? In what way can anybody really know at this stage if it will work or not, or if someone more "fancy" would work? Only MON's appointment has been the one we got right since relegation with the rest being a disaster. Going over the top on a young, British, ex-Stoke player is out of order, in my opinion. He doesn’t demand the respect needed by this poisoned dressing room, John whostace to our multi culture squad. He doesn’t unite the club and the fans, no where near with folk all over socials saying that it’s the straw that broke the camels back and won’t be renewing/attending etc. and finally it’s common knowledge that his football was atrocious in the main at Birmingham (do some research into results and performances there as I have) and that the best stuff he’s ever played in his tiny managerial career was at Kidderminster fucking harriers in non league. Cheap, British and crap - just as mumbling john likes it and has proven time after time after time. The sooner he goes well away from the board room the better.
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Post by vidigal7 on Dec 15, 2023 10:47:21 GMT
Gallagher could be as good as Eustace. No need to rush into appointing Eustace or any of that ilk.
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