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Post by Biblical on Dec 15, 2023 7:58:47 GMT
Changes in the odds doesn’t mean much so I’m still holding onto hope for Nuno over Carsley or Eustace.
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 15, 2023 7:59:43 GMT
Would Eustace enthuse people?
I just can't see it.
We need someone to send a bolt of energy through people.
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Post by ursemboys on Dec 15, 2023 8:02:22 GMT
Would Eustace enthuse people? I just can't see it. We need someone to send a bolt of energy through people. The last ex Birmingham manger that came our way did a good job (rowet came from Derby so doesn't count )
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 15, 2023 8:03:44 GMT
Would Eustace enthuse people? I just can't see it. We need someone to send a bolt of energy through people. The last ex Birmingham manger that came our way did a good job True - but I just can't help this sense of just a shrug of the shoulders with Eustace. He's just such a John Coates era appointment. Absolute identikit, off-the-peg in this run of mediocrity
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2023 8:05:11 GMT
Would Eustace enthuse people? I just can't see it. We need someone to send a bolt of energy through people. It would certainly be a typical Stoke appointment if it happens.
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Post by ursemboys on Dec 15, 2023 8:05:36 GMT
The last ex Birmingham manger that came our way did a good job True - but I just can't help this sense of just a shrug of the shoulders with Eustace. He's just such a John Coates era appointment. Absolute identikit, off-the-peg in this run of mediocrity I get where your coming from but I have a feeling he just might be a bit different
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Post by philb on Dec 15, 2023 8:08:31 GMT
I’m assuming there will be an announcement today saying that Gallagher will be taking charge again on Sunday as I can’t see anything happening anytime soon.
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Post by baconburger on Dec 15, 2023 8:13:45 GMT
I’m assuming there will be an announcement today saying that Gallagher will be taking charge again on Sunday as I can’t see anything happening anytime soon. Oh Christ appoint anyone now.
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Post by bigvern on Dec 15, 2023 8:22:51 GMT
I just don't get the interest in Eustace apart from him being cheap and wanting the job. His record at Brum is nothing to shout about. It's no upgrade on Paul Gallagher for me.
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Post by thornestein on Dec 15, 2023 8:24:20 GMT
1 Nuno 2 Carsley 3 JDT 4 Schreuder
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Post by jay1610 on Dec 15, 2023 8:24:20 GMT
Would Eustace enthuse people? I just can't see it. We need someone to send a bolt of energy through people. Not especially for me. I agree with your last line.
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Post by thornestein on Dec 15, 2023 8:25:17 GMT
Would Eustace enthuse people? I just can't see it. We need someone to send a bolt of energy through people. nothing against but youre right he wouldnt
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 15, 2023 8:25:26 GMT
Would Eustace enthuse people? I just can't see it. We need someone to send a bolt of energy through people. The only people the manager needs to send a bolt of energy through are the players. It's the players who send a bolt of energy through the fans. The social media age has ushered in a bizarre over emphasis on personality - people no longer be just good at their job, they now have to be media personalities as well. There are some jobs where being able to inspire millions of people requires good mass communication skills (like politician). The manager of a football club has to inspire 20-30 people - that's a completely different skillset. What works to inspire millions (or thousands for that matter) doesn't necessarily work for 20-30 people and vice versa. Give me substance over surface every time. And adulation makes me nervous - it's usually symptomatic of a con trick.
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Post by jay1610 on Dec 15, 2023 8:28:29 GMT
Would Eustace enthuse people? I just can't see it. We need someone to send a bolt of energy through people. The only people the manager needs to send a bolt of energy through are the players. It's the players who send a bolt of energy through the fans. The social media age has ushered in a bizarre over emphasis on personality - people no longer be just good at their job, they now have to be media personalities as well. There are some jobs where being able to inspire millions of people requires good mass communication skills (like politician). The manager of a football club has to inspire 20-30 people - that's a completely different skillset. What works to inspire millions (or thousands for that matter) doesn't necessarily work for 20-30 people and vice versa. Give me substance over surface every time. And adulation makes me nervous - it's usually symptomatic of a con trick. Are we asking for personality? Or are we asking for someone with a track record of success that suggests we might break the cycle of awful home form and non-existent bond between pitch and stands? That’s why Nuno excites me, and it’s nothing to do with his personality.
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Post by serpico on Dec 15, 2023 8:28:33 GMT
The wrong appointment now would put the final nail in our coffin this season and probably see us relegated! Supporters are angry and bored with what they’re seeing, we need a Santo type appointment not an Alex Neil clone. To me Carsley or Eustace look to be very risky, Carsley is untested and Eustsce is still very green as a manager.
They have to do everything they can to get Santo! Carsley and Eustace must only be considered once we’ve tried for the bigger namers/more experienced options.
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Post by wuzza on Dec 15, 2023 8:28:55 GMT
Would Eustace enthuse people? I just can't see it. We need someone to send a bolt of energy through people. The only people the manager needs to send a bolt of energy through are the players. It's the players who send a bolt of energy through the fans. The social media age has ushered in a bizarre over emphasis on personality - people no longer be just good at their job, they now have to be media personalities as well. There are some jobs where being able to inspire millions of people requires good mass communication skills (like politician). The manager of a football club has to inspire 20-30 people - that's a completely different skillset. What works to inspire millions (or thousands for that matter) doesn't necessarily work for 20-30 people and vice versa. Give me substance over surface every time. And adulation makes me nervous - it's usually symptomatic of a con trick. 1000% correct.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2023 8:32:03 GMT
The last ex Birmingham manger that came our way did a good job True - but I just can't help this sense of just a shrug of the shoulders with Eustace. He's just such a John Coates era appointment. Absolute identikit, off-the-peg in this run of mediocrity Yeah, it’d be as boring as his football was at Brum, wouldn’t it? It was eye-bleedingly bad at times. Of course, that may very well have been a means to an end, and his footballing philosophy is much more progressive than what he could show there. Not saying it would be a disaster by any means, as he does come highly-rated as a coach and it could be a stroke of genius, but on the face of it, it smacks of JC taking the ‘yes man’ easy option.
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Post by haway on Dec 15, 2023 8:34:09 GMT
Seems we’re both in a similar situation in that the current favourite is not a popular choice.
Eustace for yourselves Beale for us
Worth noting that odds don’t mean a lot though.
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Post by retrostoke on Dec 15, 2023 8:34:19 GMT
I just don't get the interest in Eustace apart from him being cheap and wanting the job. His record at Brum is nothing to shout about. It's no upgrade on Paul Gallagher for me. I don’t think “cheap” is on a Coates tick box. Practical because of FFP might be and Nuno might not be within the limit because of his entourage. Also remember there are still some lingering questions about some of Wolves transfer activity under Nuno and that transfer activity was fundamental to his success. That couldn’t be repeated at Stoke. If we want Carsley and he goes elsewhere that would be disappointing. Can’t see any way Sunderland would be offering a better contract. Might be personal reasons. You have to have been there at the interviews to be able to make an informed judgement. Eustace might have done a brilliant interview. He might be a brilliant manager. Lots of Stoke fans wanted him in here before Neil’s sacking. It’s a tough job choosing between several good options. Nobody has a crystal ball.
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Post by theporcelainpele on Dec 15, 2023 8:37:28 GMT
Would Eustace enthuse people? I just can't see it. We need someone to send a bolt of energy through people. The last ex Birmingham manger that came our way did a good job (rowet came from Derby so doesn't count ) Imagine stoke fans living in the past.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Dec 15, 2023 8:38:09 GMT
Would Eustace enthuse people? I just can't see it. We need someone to send a bolt of energy through people. With Nuno & Carsley in the frame,No. If they we're not,then he would seem the best of the Brits.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2023 8:40:54 GMT
Would Eustace enthuse people? I just can't see it. We need someone to send a bolt of energy through people. The only people the manager needs to send a bolt of energy through are the players. It's the players who send a bolt of energy through the fans. The social media age has ushered in a bizarre over emphasis on personality - people no longer be just good at their job, they now have to be media personalities as well. There are some jobs where being able to inspire millions of people requires good mass communication skills (like politician). The manager of a football club has to inspire 20-30 people - that's a completely different skillset. What works to inspire millions (or thousands for that matter) doesn't necessarily work for 20-30 people and vice versa. Give me substance over surface every time. And adulation makes me nervous - it's usually symptomatic of a con trick. Under normal circumstances I'd agree but this time around I'm not so sure. The crowd need a lift. It's been 5 years of non descript football and abject failure. The atmosphere on Tuesday was so flat it spoke volumes for me. I reckon if the next man in is as beige as a Eustace or a Heckingbottom, however unfair that might be on them, then it will be an uphill battle from the start and any honeymoon period will be as minimal as it comes. The crowd are literally begging for something different and I dare say some don't even know they are...
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Post by ursemboys on Dec 15, 2023 8:41:04 GMT
The last ex Birmingham manger that came our way did a good job (rowet came from Derby so doesn't count ) Imagine stoke fans living in the past. Who is living in the past ? strange quote, so you don't think our last ex manager from Birmingham was good ?
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Dec 15, 2023 8:45:46 GMT
Would Eustace enthuse people? I just can't see it. We need someone to send a bolt of energy through people. The only people the manager needs to send a bolt of energy through are the players. It's the players who send a bolt of energy through the fans. The social media age has ushered in a bizarre over emphasis on personality - people no longer be just good at their job, they now have to be media personalities as well. There are some jobs where being able to inspire millions of people requires good mass communication skills (like politician). The manager of a football club has to inspire 20-30 people - that's a completely different skillset. What works to inspire millions (or thousands for that matter) doesn't necessarily work for 20-30 people and vice versa. Give me substance over surface every time. And adulation makes me nervous - it's usually symptomatic of a con trick. I agree, I want someone whose gonna be here for 5 years and constantly improves the club. Not a short term boost which quickly fizzles out.
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Post by jokker on Dec 15, 2023 8:51:50 GMT
Changes in the odds doesn’t mean much so I’m still holding onto hope for Nuno over Carsley or Eustace. Someone forgot to tell the Bet365 geniuses this mindblowing observation, which is unfortunate as they are the exact people who will make the decision on the next manaager...
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 15, 2023 8:52:12 GMT
The only people the manager needs to send a bolt of energy through are the players. It's the players who send a bolt of energy through the fans. The social media age has ushered in a bizarre over emphasis on personality - people no longer be just good at their job, they now have to be media personalities as well. There are some jobs where being able to inspire millions of people requires good mass communication skills (like politician). The manager of a football club has to inspire 20-30 people - that's a completely different skillset. What works to inspire millions (or thousands for that matter) doesn't necessarily work for 20-30 people and vice versa. Give me substance over surface every time. And adulation makes me nervous - it's usually symptomatic of a con trick. Under normal circumstances I'd agree but this time around I'm not so sure. The crowd need a lift. It's been 5 years of non descript football and abject failure. The atmosphere on Tuesday was so flat it spoke volumes for me. I reckon if the next man in is as beige as a Eustace or a Heckingbottom, however unfair that might be on them, then it will be an uphill battle from the start and any honeymoon period will be as minimal as it comes. Yeah, I agree with all that. This appointment is absolutely massive. You can't describe how big it is. There's little proof his football is more than beige too. Even his "non-league Barca" only finished 2nd and 4th in National League north, and didn't go up. So we've got a slog to goal-a-game survival last season and a promising few games at the start of this to judge him on at any level - and that was decent in the circumstances. I think there is some substance to him as a character - and maybe as a coach. But it's a maybe at this stage. His media performances are pretty uninspiring and cliched if they're a window into his thinking. If they go with him, just got to back their judgement - as they know how crucial it is. Presumably he interviewed well (but so apparently did Lambo with his fancy spreadsheets)
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Post by retrostoke on Dec 15, 2023 8:52:14 GMT
So is JC looking at the current situation and someone up to a relegation scrap or something a bit more long term.
Does Eustace fit the current situation better in JC’s opinion. Is he the safer option at this point 🤔
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Post by GeneralFaye on Dec 15, 2023 8:56:04 GMT
Carsley would be perfect for Sunderland and their young squad, you just know he'll end up there and get them in the play offs.
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Post by mano00001 on Dec 15, 2023 8:56:21 GMT
JE 1/4 now. Supposedly Lee Carsley has turned us down and Nuno is a no-go.
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Post by jokker on Dec 15, 2023 8:56:57 GMT
The only people the manager needs to send a bolt of energy through are the players. It's the players who send a bolt of energy through the fans. The social media age has ushered in a bizarre over emphasis on personality - people no longer be just good at their job, they now have to be media personalities as well. There are some jobs where being able to inspire millions of people requires good mass communication skills (like politician). The manager of a football club has to inspire 20-30 people - that's a completely different skillset. What works to inspire millions (or thousands for that matter) doesn't necessarily work for 20-30 people and vice versa. Give me substance over surface every time. And adulation makes me nervous - it's usually symptomatic of a con trick. I agree, I want someone whose gonna be here for 5 years and constantly improves the club. Not a short term boost which quickly fizzles out. Managers just don't do that anymore, stay in one place for five years. In most cases it's not their fault - they were sacked before their potentially good work could come to fruition. The only manager in the CL who comes close to your ideal is Mark Robins, but if we snatched him away from his current club he would fail to make it to five years. Moreover he's not highly rated in these threads.
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