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Post by stokeykez on Dec 15, 2023 8:59:25 GMT
I think the radio silence in the media about nuno probably supports this being a fans appointment, in reality, eustace will have the same effect as Alex Neil did. Grateful that the board finally see sense to get rid only to go and replace with another of similar mould.
If it wasn't for the fact that he is classed as an old boy we would not be wanting a look in, given his managerial career so far.
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Post by stokeykez on Dec 15, 2023 8:59:56 GMT
JE 1/4 now. Supposedly Lee Carsley has turned us down and Nuno is a no-go. According to who
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Post by itsmorethanagame on Dec 15, 2023 9:01:12 GMT
Take it for what you will but I’ve heard it’s been offered to Eustace.
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Post by stokeykez on Dec 15, 2023 9:02:37 GMT
Take it for what you will but I’ve heard it’s been offered to Eustace. Just darent take a gamble, dare they
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Post by dirtygary69 on Dec 15, 2023 9:04:09 GMT
I think Nuno would certainly be the one to lift the place, but it is harsh to write off Carsley and Eustace on that basis. With our track record, who knows what's best and who knows if the financials work for a Nuno. We can't afford to be flat if we do appoint one of the more "regular" names. Eustace would deserve just as much of a chance and backing as Nuno. If he hadn't been linked, there wouldn't be anywhere near the levels of excitement for him, and derision for Carlsey and Eustace.
Whoever we appoint isn't a surefire way to success. We could appoint Nuno and it be shit, or appoint Eustace and it be brilliant.
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Post by jokker on Dec 15, 2023 9:05:13 GMT
I think the radio silence in the media about nuno probably supports this being a fans appointment, in reality, eustace will have the same effect as Alex Neil did. Grateful that the board finally see sense to get rid only to go and replace with another of similar mould. If it wasn't for the fact that he is classed as an old boy we would not be wanting a look in, given his managerial career so far. It's oversimplistic to say that Eustace is "similar mould". I'm just grateful that they're not hiring Peter Eustace, which is what I thought when I first saw the name pop up...
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Post by scfcno1fan on Dec 15, 2023 9:05:59 GMT
Take it for what you will but I’ve heard it’s been offered to Eustace. Doesn’t surprise me. Definitely looks more likely than not to be Eustace. Intrigued to see how he gets on. Doesn’t get the pulse raising though.
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Post by mrnovember on Dec 15, 2023 9:08:17 GMT
I don't care about excitement, I've got the Thunderclap Electrified Meat Paddle and my studded leather hog tie for that. I just want results.
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 15, 2023 9:08:43 GMT
It does have the feel of Appointment Day for Eustace.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2023 9:10:21 GMT
I think Nuno would certainly be the one to lift the place, but it is harsh to write off Carsley and Eustace on that basis. With our track record, who knows what's best and who knows if the financials work for a Nuno. We can't afford to be flat if we do appoint one of the more "regular" names. Eustace would deserve just as much of a chance and backing as Nuno. If he hadn't been linked, there wouldn't be anywhere near the levels of excitement for him, and derision for Carlsey and Eustace. Whoever we appoint isn't a surefire way to success. We could appoint Nuno and it be shit, or appoint Eustace and it be brilliant. You can't force the fans emotions though however much you try and the harsh facts are the crowd on Tuesday was sparse, flat and ready to turn. John Eustace and the likes are not going to bring them racing back to the ground and have it rocking. It simply has to be someone and something different than the 'mean' Coates style appointment.
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Post by neddy on Dec 15, 2023 9:11:06 GMT
Take it for what you will but I’ve heard it’s been offered to Eustace. Doesn’t surprise me. Definitely looks more likely than not to be Eustace. Intrigued to see how he gets on. Doesn’t get the pulse raising though. No it doesn’t sadly but he will get the usual backing. Just not sure he will able to handle the current squad and attract quality additions. But we’ll see….
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Post by stokeykez on Dec 15, 2023 9:11:09 GMT
I think the radio silence in the media about nuno probably supports this being a fans appointment, in reality, eustace will have the same effect as Alex Neil did. Grateful that the board finally see sense to get rid only to go and replace with another of similar mould. If it wasn't for the fact that he is classed as an old boy we would not be wanting a look in, given his managerial career so far. It's oversimplistic to say that Eustace is "similar mould". I'm just grateful that they're not hiring Peter Eustace, which is what I thought when I first saw the name pop up... More that he doesn't break the mould
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Dec 15, 2023 9:12:44 GMT
If it is Eustace,then Coates has no bottle,shit scared of anything different,if Eustace turns out no better than the rubbish we have employed since relegation,Coates should step down.
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Post by gingerninja on Dec 15, 2023 9:13:08 GMT
I am fine with Eustace, as long as they don't try and insult the fans by saying he was the stand out candidate. Let's be honest, he was cheap, available and probably prepared to work with the existing staff and structure, anybody else who wasn't, was always a non starter. Sadly an appointment by numbers, pure & simple.
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Post by pavel on Dec 15, 2023 9:13:28 GMT
Would Eustace enthuse people? I just can't see it. We need someone to send a bolt of energy through people. We do indeed need a lift as do the players, Nuno ticks both boxes, he has the gravitas, the track record and a personality to inspire. Settling for Eustace will feel just all too familiar, more of the same, safe, stodgy and unimaginative appointment regardless whether that’s a fair assessment or not. For me he’s another in a long line of beige managers touted and relatively untested and fairly inexperienced too boot. This next managerial appointment is crucial and may define us for years to come, we need to be bold and pull out all the stops for the best we can get.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 15, 2023 9:14:49 GMT
The only people the manager needs to send a bolt of energy through are the players. It's the players who send a bolt of energy through the fans. The social media age has ushered in a bizarre over emphasis on personality - people no longer be just good at their job, they now have to be media personalities as well. There are some jobs where being able to inspire millions of people requires good mass communication skills (like politician). The manager of a football club has to inspire 20-30 people - that's a completely different skillset. What works to inspire millions (or thousands for that matter) doesn't necessarily work for 20-30 people and vice versa. Give me substance over surface every time. And adulation makes me nervous - it's usually symptomatic of a con trick. Are we asking for personality? Or are we asking for someone with a track record of success that suggests we might break the cycle of awful home form and non-existent bond between pitch and stands? That’s why Nuno excites me, and it’s nothing to do with his personality. Read this thread - loads of people are asking for a personality and the non existent bond between pitch and stands is down to the players - the managers job is to sort out the bond between him and the players.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2023 9:15:52 GMT
How have we got in to the position of having to appoint someone to try and keep us in the championship? Unbelievable really how we are here.
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Post by stokeykez on Dec 15, 2023 9:16:05 GMT
Hope I'm wrong but do get the feeling of a 'John is a good fit and knows what we want here at Stoke. He met with the players yesterday and took training this morning in readiness of the trip to wba'
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Post by monkeycat on Dec 15, 2023 9:17:00 GMT
It does have the feel of Appointment Day for Eustace.
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Post by haway on Dec 15, 2023 9:17:03 GMT
Carsley would be perfect for Sunderland and their young squad, you just know he'll end up there and get them in the play offs. He’s not even linked to us, which I do find strange.
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Dec 15, 2023 9:17:15 GMT
Like the announcement of a new Pope with signs of white smoke coming from the Vatican, has there been a signal of white smoke from the chimney at the Incinerator......or is it just another normal Friday down Sideway?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2023 9:17:52 GMT
It does have the feel of Appointment Day for Eustace. Christ, that confirms it then.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Dec 15, 2023 9:18:12 GMT
Would Eustace enthuse people? I just can't see it. We need someone to send a bolt of energy through people. We do indeed need a lift as do the players, Nuno ticks both boxes, he has the gravitas, the track record and a personality to inspire. Settling for Eustace will feel just all too familiar, more of the same, safe, stodgy and unimaginative appointment regardless whether that’s a fair assessment or not. For me he’s another in a long line of beige managers touted and relatively untested and fairly inexperienced too boot. This next managerial appointment is crucial and may define us for years to come, we need to be bold and pull out all the stops for the best we can get. Does Coates see this club has little old Stoke, and we should be thankful for anyone he brings in to manage us?
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Post by jay1610 on Dec 15, 2023 9:18:13 GMT
Are we asking for personality? Or are we asking for someone with a track record of success that suggests we might break the cycle of awful home form and non-existent bond between pitch and stands? That’s why Nuno excites me, and it’s nothing to do with his personality. Read this thread - loads of people are asking for a personality and the non existent bond between pitch and stands is down to the players - the managers job is to sort out the bond between him and the players. I disagree that it comes solely from the players. Football management, like any form of leadership, is partially about perception and image. It’s clear from reading this thread that the next manager’s number one client (us!) wants something to get excited about and not another cab off the rank. Whether that’s fair on John Eustace is another question, it’s just my assessment.
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Post by potterspele on Dec 15, 2023 9:19:09 GMT
I think Nuno would certainly be the one to lift the place, but it is harsh to write off Carsley and Eustace on that basis. With our track record, who knows what's best and who knows if the financials work for a Nuno. We can't afford to be flat if we do appoint one of the more "regular" names. Eustace would deserve just as much of a chance and backing as Nuno. If he hadn't been linked, there wouldn't be anywhere near the levels of excitement for him, and derision for Carlsey and Eustace. Whoever we appoint isn't a surefire way to success. We could appoint Nuno and it be shit, or appoint Eustace and it be brilliant. You can't force the fans emotions though however much you try and the harsh facts are the crowd on Tuesday was sparse, flat and ready to turn. John Eustace and the likes are not going to bring them racing back to the ground and have it rocking. It simply has to be someone and something different than the 'mean' Coates style appointment. Absolutely, feels like the last chance saloon for many fans as far as the Coates ownership is concerned. There's a lot riding on this appointment. I hope to god Eustace has got something about him though if we do appoint him. Loved him as a player and hopefully he can get us firing because I'd rather not have that view of him soured.
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Post by neddy on Dec 15, 2023 9:19:27 GMT
So disappointed just makes me consider why I bother after 50 odd years.
Like people have said had he not played for us I’m confident very few would have wanted him!
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Post by Wizbit on Dec 15, 2023 9:19:49 GMT
Imagine stoke fans living in the past. Who is living in the past ? strange quote, so you don't think our last ex manager from Birmingham was good ? Our last ex birmingham manager was terrible probably the most wasteful manager we ever had was Rowett
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Post by DC1863 on Dec 15, 2023 9:19:57 GMT
I for one will be very disappointed if after 'exploring all avenues' we end up with John Eustace in the dugout.
I know some who have talked themselves into the idea of him will be flocking to tell me how he had Kidderminster Harriers playing like prime Barca, or that he had Birmingham on the brink of the playoffs about 8 games into the season.
I'm aware of his record and personally, I'm not enthused.
If we go with another domestic manager, one with little experience, and he doesn't have the best of starts I think the fanbase will quickly question JC.
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Post by beats88 on Dec 15, 2023 9:20:33 GMT
I am fine with Eustace, as long as they don't try and insult the fans by saying he was the stand out candidate. Let's be honest, he was cheap, available and probably prepared to work with the existing staff and structure, anybody else who wasn't, was always a non starter. Sadly an appointment by numbers, pure & simple. Agreed. If he is appointed, he will have my full backing, but can't help thinking we haven't cast the net as far as some are suggesting.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Dec 15, 2023 9:21:12 GMT
Who is living in the past ? strange quote, so you don't think our last ex manager from Birmingham was good ? Our last ex birmingham manager was terrible probably the most wasteful manager we ever had was Rowett He means from Birmingham directly mate…..Lou
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