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Post by andycooke96 on Dec 14, 2023 15:32:03 GMT
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Post by flea79 on Dec 14, 2023 15:34:47 GMT
no im asking you to tell me why he would be such a good fit, anybody can write a puff piece or read his wikipedia page which shows he is completely unproven and therefore exactly what we dont need right now, just as Lambert was exactly what we didnt need at the time I and numerous others are saying exactly why he would be a good fit..the fact you are ignoring it isn't my problem. Great man manager, history if developing youngers and bringing them through, plays a good style of football, brilliant connections.. That should tide you over for a bit so actually no good reason just you read his wikipedia page! quality endorsement for the guy I stand by my point he would be at best underwhelming, and potentially lambert like in his impact on the club
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Post by LGH87 on Dec 14, 2023 15:36:03 GMT
That roles not positions article is very interesting. Carsley and Dublin could potentially get on like a house on fire.
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Post by andycooke96 on Dec 14, 2023 15:41:25 GMT
That roles not positions article is very interesting. Carsley and Dublin could potentially get on like a house on fire. It’s a risk for sure, but a risk that has some sense behind it.
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Post by stokiejoe89 on Dec 14, 2023 15:41:54 GMT
I and numerous others are saying exactly why he would be a good fit..the fact you are ignoring it isn't my problem. Great man manager, history if developing youngers and bringing them through, plays a good style of football, brilliant connections.. That should tide you over for a bit so actually no good reason just you read his wikipedia page! quality endorsement for the guy I stand by my point he would be at best underwhelming, and potentially lambert like in his impact on the club Not once have I mentioned his wiki page 🤣 Nobody has mentioned his wiki page so you're just imagining things now. But carry on.
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Post by andycooke96 on Dec 14, 2023 15:43:21 GMT
so actually no good reason just you read his wikipedia page! quality endorsement for the guy I stand by my point he would be at best underwhelming, and potentially lambert like in his impact on the club Not once have I mentioned his wiki page 🤣 Nobody has mentioned his wiki page so you're just imagining things now. But carry on. I think the ones who are reading wiki pages are the ones who are simultaneously deriding the team for how boring they are to watch (correct) whilst clamouring for Nuno (not exactly known for his exciting football)
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Post by stokiejoe89 on Dec 14, 2023 15:44:10 GMT
Don't put articles on here written by people who know the man inside out and that include stories from players and collegues who have worked with the man for years...it's all bullshit apparently..😳
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Post by stokiejoe89 on Dec 14, 2023 15:45:31 GMT
Not once have I mentioned his wiki page 🤣 Nobody has mentioned his wiki page so you're just imagining things now. But carry on. I think the ones who are reading wiki pages are the ones who are simultaneously deriding the team for how boring they are to watch (correct) whilst clamouring for Nuno (not exactly known for his exciting football) Whether they play exciting football or not doesn't matter one bit. Nuno plays football that gets results, facts prove that. Results should always matter more than if you play entertaining football or not
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Post by Clem Fandango on Dec 14, 2023 15:47:42 GMT
It's been done for you in the numerous articles. Regarded as one of the best man managers in the country, won the Euros with a England u21 side that can't be easy to manage due to the amount of ego in that squad. They all love him and rave about him in regards to his man management and playstyle. And then there's Lambert who nobody has ever raved about ever and got nowhere with anyone. They are in no way the same. Carsley with have an ethic and contacts that will benefit us hugely. no im asking you to tell me why he would be such a good fit, anybody can write a puff piece or read his wikipedia page which shows he is completely unproven and therefore exactly what we dont need right now, just as Lambert was exactly what we didnt need at the time I think if we are moving (as I personally think we should) to a model of a head coach then I think he would be a good appointment. Does he need experience of running a football club as a head coach? he's played enough games for one to know how it works.
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Post by datguy on Dec 14, 2023 15:58:32 GMT
Has Anthony Barry, ex-Chelsea and current Bayern Munich assistant coach, been mentioned yet?
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Post by bigvern on Dec 14, 2023 15:58:54 GMT
After the 24 hours of getting excited about Nuno, the drift is on. Lee Carsley has shot in massively with BetVictor to 2/1
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Post by datguy on Dec 14, 2023 15:59:49 GMT
Lee Carsley is the most exciting option for me.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2023 16:02:24 GMT
Not excited. He won an u21 tournament with players like Cole Palmer who were already playing full games for Man City in the Champions League.
We have Dwight Gayle.
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 14, 2023 16:03:47 GMT
I'd rather have Nuno - but JDT and Carsley are on the next tier down
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Post by andycooke96 on Dec 14, 2023 16:04:13 GMT
Not excited. He won an u21 tournament with players like Cole Palmer who were already playing full games for Man City in the Champions League. We have Dwight Gayle. First person to win a u21 euros with England since the 80s, as well as gayle we also have lots of exciting attacking players who need to be utilised properly, similar to what carsley did with England
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Post by datguy on Dec 14, 2023 16:07:17 GMT
I'd rather have Nuno - but JDT and Carsley are on the next tier down Honestly I’m surprised by the unanimous excitement for Nuno. There’s some positives but there’s some huge glaring worries. Flopped at Tottenham. Wolves fans were shocked he even got the Spurs job if I remember correctly. And his football is dour. Would I take him? Yes. But Lee Carsley seems like a true progressive appointment that would work well with Jared Dublin.
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 14, 2023 16:07:35 GMT
Beale's odds are dropping for Sunderland now it looks like Still isn't Wearside-bound.
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 14, 2023 16:09:51 GMT
I'd rather have Nuno - but JDT and Carsley are on the next tier down Honestly I’m surprised by the unanimous excitement for Nuno. There’s some positives but there’s some huge glaring worries. Flopped at Tottenham. Wolves fans were shocked he even got the Spurs job if I remember correctly. And his football is dour. Would I take him? Yes. But Lee Carsley seems like a true progressive appointment that would work well with Jared Dublin. I wasn't doing absolute cartwheels for Nuno initially, but the more I read, the more I was completely won over. I'd be more than happy with Carsley though. Wonder if they really know what they're looking for
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Post by hoppo96 on Dec 14, 2023 16:11:55 GMT
Experience doesn't necessarily mean successful. Look at the current crop of Championship managers - Few of them would fit into that category as such.
We just need a good manager, and a good fit. Alex Neil was experienced, Gary Rowett was experienced, Paul Lambert was experienced.
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Post by shakermaker on Dec 14, 2023 16:22:10 GMT
Not excited. He won an u21 tournament with players like Cole Palmer who were already playing full games for Man City in the Champions League. We have Dwight Gayle. First person to win a u21 euros with England since the 80s, as well as gayle we also have lots of exciting attacking players who need to be utilised properly, similar to what carsley did with England I'm always wary of using international results as a means of judging a manager's capability. Firstly, you only have games in handfuls every few months. Secondly, you can only do as well as the squad you're given. International squads are cyclical - sometimes you get a generation that clicks together, so on the one hand you can argue that Carsley was in the right place at the right time. I would rather see how Carsley does as a 1st team club manager or managing U23s. Honestly, I think he would suit Sunderland more us. We need someone with experience and as flea above has rightfully asserted, it's a massive jump from the lower end of men's international football to the cut and thrust of a Championship club aiming for the playoffs this or next season.
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 14, 2023 16:23:00 GMT
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Post by shakermaker on Dec 14, 2023 16:24:00 GMT
Experience doesn't necessarily mean successful. Look at the current crop of Championship managers - Few of them would fit into that category as such. We just need a good manager, and a good fit. Alex Neil was experienced, Gary Rowett was experienced, Paul Lambert was experienced. Experienced and successful! Lambert is a bit of an anomaly, as there is no doubt he achieved great things with Norwich and that's what got him the Villa gig. Just seems to have gone downhill from there.
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Post by hoppo96 on Dec 14, 2023 16:24:51 GMT
We need to be looking for someone who can get a tune out of the current squad, we need to appoint somebody whilst accepting if they do a good job they may leave in 18 months. We can't keep looking for managers who will stay here for a decade. That era in football has gone now. Only 11 managers in the 92 have been at their club for 3 or more years.
Being seen as a stepping stone isn't a bad thing...
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Post by ibby on Dec 14, 2023 16:25:55 GMT
Everyone want in Nuno Espirito Santo ?
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Post by cja103 on Dec 14, 2023 16:26:48 GMT
Everyone want in Nuno Espirito Santo ? He was in my top 2 from the start....just couldn't really imagine it happening until recently
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Post by Biblical on Dec 14, 2023 16:34:27 GMT
If Nuno is even a possibility then it has to be him doesn’t it. Wolves were in a similar position to us when to took over from Lambert and he managed to turn them around. The job he did there and stabilising them in the Prem with European football etc was really impressive.
I’m not concerned about his time with Spurs really.
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Post by biglad180 on Dec 14, 2023 16:35:00 GMT
Lee Carsley as done a great job for England under 21s,but club management is different,we took a chance on Micheal ONeil and that failed,
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2023 16:41:24 GMT
Not excited. He won an u21 tournament with players like Cole Palmer who were already playing full games for Man City in the Champions League. We have Dwight Gayle. First person to win a u21 euros with England since the 80s, as well as gayle we also have lots of exciting attacking players who need to be utilised properly, similar to what carsley did with England I don’t find winning that tournament as magical as you do. If he comes here, I’ll back him 100%, I just can’t get excited over it. The winning goalscorer in the u21 euro final had already won the Premier League before the age of 20, and was already starting the majority of games in Liverpool’s midfield against the best players in world football. We have Josh Laurent.
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Post by TheMmaeestro on Dec 14, 2023 16:44:18 GMT
Lee Carsley as done a great job for England under 21s,but club management is different,we took a chance on Micheal ONeil and that failed, O’Neill didn’t really fail IMO. He saw the club through a significant period of transition, got rid of a lot of dead wood and big contracts, was limited in the transfer windows compared to his predecessor, and we never threatened to go down. I’m glad he was our manager in that period. Maybe he should have been moved on earlier but that isn’t his fault.
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Post by shakermaker on Dec 14, 2023 16:50:19 GMT
Lee Carsley as done a great job for England under 21s,but club management is different,we took a chance on Micheal ONeil and that failed, Let's put this another way for the Carsley lovers. If Southgate won the Euros next summer, would you want him as our manager??
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