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Post by canadianmoose on Dec 14, 2023 13:41:34 GMT
And not much experience in managing a football club. A big questionmark. Got to start somewhere, and he'll be more a head coach, not managing the entire club. Reminds me of playing USM98 where you could set the fast food prices, always wondered if managers actually did that back in the 90s! 'Got to start somwehere' is not a good option for us right now. This is a do or die appointment.
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 14, 2023 13:42:41 GMT
Carsley had a good career too.
40 Ireland caps.
300 Prem games, mostly under Moyes
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Post by cja103 on Dec 14, 2023 13:43:21 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2023 13:45:55 GMT
The beauty of a Carsley type appointment is we might see some young lads coming through again, which is vital for a FFP restricted Championship club.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Dec 14, 2023 13:46:34 GMT
Carsley was on my list too.
To be honest, I'm not against any of the names we've been linked with so far.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 14, 2023 13:49:00 GMT
Looking forward to us being the new Brighton....
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Post by stokief on Dec 14, 2023 13:59:43 GMT
The beauty of a Carsley type appointment is we might see some young lads coming through again, which is vital for a FFP restricted Championship club. It won't happen though. He'd try to use a couple of them early on but not have the guts to stick with it and resort to putting the 'seniors' back in to appease the dressing room 'names'. AN was eager to show the powers that be that he would put trust in the youngsters but the moment a few things started to slip he dropped them all Funny as results didn't improve but generally got worse.
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Post by stokesupporter on Dec 14, 2023 14:00:19 GMT
And not much experience in managing a football club. A big questionmark. Neither did Steve Cooper. Not saying that Carsley would be a bad choice at all, I prefer him over Eustace anyway. But his experience in club management could become an issue. An experienced number 2 could help him with that though.
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Post by stokeykez on Dec 14, 2023 14:02:44 GMT
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 14, 2023 14:04:51 GMT
It does sound like we're interviewing pretty much everyone out there.
Eustace, Beale, Heckingbottom, Carsley, Nuno (?), JDT (?), Jokanovic (?) - and who knows how many more.
So an actual appointment may be a while off.
Of those, I could stomach them all bar Hecky
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Post by figo85 on Dec 14, 2023 14:05:10 GMT
I'm sick of refreshing the Oatie, awaiting news on the new arrival. I wish the club would come out and say that there wouldn't be any news or release until next week etc.
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Post by LGH87 on Dec 14, 2023 14:09:12 GMT
I'm sick of refreshing the Oatie, awaiting news on the new arrival. I wish the club would come out and say that there wouldn't be any news or release until next week etc. Stick John Percy's tweets to notifications on and just wait for it to come through.
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Post by stokeykez on Dec 14, 2023 14:13:23 GMT
The lack of talksport etc to jump on the nuno trail makes me.think us stokies have ran away with this a little.
Cannot see FA wanted Carsley to go, would make a great successor to southgate
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2023 14:19:11 GMT
Carsley would be outstanding. Exactly the type of head coach we should be after - built from the ground up to work with and develop younger players.
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Post by Goonie on Dec 14, 2023 14:22:59 GMT
The beauty of a Carsley type appointment is we might see some young lads coming through again, which is vital for a FFP restricted Championship club. Could tick the "financially self-sufficient" box
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Post by lordb on Dec 14, 2023 14:27:55 GMT
It's true though isn't it? We're all just going to be thoroughly depressed and p!ssed off when the wrong person for the job (yet again) is predictably announced. It's like we can see how things will pan out on and off the pitch and yet the people who are there and privy to all goings on can't! How many times do we look at a team sheet and know what's coming, and be proved right yet the manager seems to think it'll work? How come we know that another plodding appointment will me made with 'no hope' written all over it? I'm losing the will now. I can't even stand listening to that commentary from Radio Stoke with that bloke talking drivel and prattling on inanely. Maybe it's me just getting old and grumpy but I just want to be pleasantly surprised for once. I'll keep saying it, this lot need a charismatic leader that they have at least a modicum of respect for. Someone they've heard of. I like John Eustace but the time is not right for the sacked Birmingham manager to try to unify this team. First of all they'd have to Wiki any one of these names being touted just to find out who they were (except Nuno) and then they'd see the CV's and dismiss them before even meeting them on the training ground. Carsley? No! As many have already said, managing a National team at whatever level is TOTALLY different form a discordant team in freefall (isn't it Michael?) Some old dinosaur! No! the youngsters'll be sitting there with their headphones in their ears whilst Benson or Hedges drones away at them WE NEED TO PUSH THE BOAT OUT AND BE BRAVE IN OUR DECISION....bet we won't though Nuno, Carsley, JDT, Jokanovic all suggest otherwise Mowbray OK yeah... at the very least it feels different this time
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2023 14:30:27 GMT
Feel like some people are taking this foreign manager = good, British manager = bad a bit too far now with sweeping generalisations.
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Post by jay1610 on Dec 14, 2023 14:37:35 GMT
Feel like some people are taking this foreign manager = good, British manager = bad a bit too far now with sweeping generalisations. On the face of it, you are right. But it is also a choice that is probably an indication of the board’s appetite to try a new path.
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Post by flea79 on Dec 14, 2023 15:13:26 GMT
Carsley would be as woeful an appointment as Lambert was
boring British appointment with the added bonus of next to no experience as a manager in a senior dressing room
top work if that happens
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Post by stokiejoe89 on Dec 14, 2023 15:14:29 GMT
Carsley would be as woeful an appointment as Lambert was boring British appointment with the added bonus of next to no experience as a manager in a senior dressing room top work if that happens If you think Carsley would be bad you're deluded
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Post by flea79 on Dec 14, 2023 15:15:25 GMT
Carsley would be as woeful an appointment as Lambert was boring British appointment with the added bonus of next to no experience as a manager in a senior dressing room top work if that happens If you think Carsley would be bad you're deluded convince me why he wouldnt be a bad idea, im well up for being corrected!
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Post by StokieNath on Dec 14, 2023 15:16:11 GMT
Carsley would be as woeful an appointment as Lambert was boring British appointment with the added bonus of next to no experience as a manager in a senior dressing room top work if that happens If you think Carsley would be bad you're deluded What a ridiculous comment, how is he deluded? Carsley is unproven
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Post by stokecitytalke on Dec 14, 2023 15:16:43 GMT
It's going to be Eustace, just accept it. I've resigned myself that it's going to be Eustace - but it's good fun dreaming for a few days before reality sets back in.
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Post by gingerninja on Dec 14, 2023 15:16:59 GMT
I think Carsley is probably as good as appointment as we could make given FFP restrictions. His contacts at clubs with younger players would be immense and be of enormous benefit to us as a club..
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Post by stokiejoe89 on Dec 14, 2023 15:18:25 GMT
If you think Carsley would be bad you're deluded convince me why he wouldnt be a bad idea, im well up for being corrected! It's been done for you in the numerous articles. Regarded as one of the best man managers in the country, won the Euros with a England u21 side that can't be easy to manage due to the amount of ego in that squad. They all love him and rave about him in regards to his man management and playstyle. And then there's Lambert who nobody has ever raved about ever and got nowhere with anyone. They are in no way the same. Carsley with have an ethic and contacts that will benefit us hugely.
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Post by robstokie on Dec 14, 2023 15:21:00 GMT
I think Carsley is probably as good as appointment as we could make given FFP restrictions. His contacts at clubs with younger players would be immense and be of enormous benefit to us as a club.. Furthermore, given his experience developing younger players, he might just be the right man to bring Lowe, Tezgel, Simkin, Sol and maybe Matt Baker and Okagbue through to the first team. Don't know about him as a manager, but maybe a good shout as a no.2 to a Nuno/Jokanovic type appointment.
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Post by stokiejoe89 on Dec 14, 2023 15:22:58 GMT
If you think Carsley would be bad you're deluded What a ridiculous comment, how is he deluded? Carsley is unproven Okay should have worded it differently. If he thinks Carsley appointed is on the same level as Lambert then it is deluded
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Post by andycooke96 on Dec 14, 2023 15:28:58 GMT
Carsley would be a brilliant appointment, track record of developing young players and playing attractive football, the idea that he won’t get a fair hearing from the fans because he’s not Nuno (who probably wasn’t even in the running) is laughable, appointing carsley would be a huge change in direction for the club, and I think he suits our players as well
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Post by flea79 on Dec 14, 2023 15:29:21 GMT
convince me why he wouldnt be a bad idea, im well up for being corrected! It's been done for you in the numerous articles. Regarded as one of the best man managers in the country, won the Euros with a England u21 side that can't be easy to manage due to the amount of ego in that squad. They all love him and rave about him in regards to his man management and playstyle. And then there's Lambert who nobody has ever raved about ever and got nowhere with anyone. They are in no way the same. Carsley with have an ethic and contacts that will benefit us hugely. no im asking you to tell me why he would be such a good fit, anybody can write a puff piece or read his wikipedia page which shows he is completely unproven and therefore exactly what we dont need right now, just as Lambert was exactly what we didnt need at the time
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Post by stokiejoe89 on Dec 14, 2023 15:31:25 GMT
It's been done for you in the numerous articles. Regarded as one of the best man managers in the country, won the Euros with a England u21 side that can't be easy to manage due to the amount of ego in that squad. They all love him and rave about him in regards to his man management and playstyle. And then there's Lambert who nobody has ever raved about ever and got nowhere with anyone. They are in no way the same. Carsley with have an ethic and contacts that will benefit us hugely. no im asking you to tell me why he would be such a good fit, anybody can write a puff piece or read his wikipedia page which shows he is completely unproven and therefore exactly what we dont need right now, just as Lambert was exactly what we didnt need at the time I and numerous others are saying exactly why he would be a good fit..the fact you are ignoring it isn't my problem. Great man manager, history if developing youngers and bringing them through, plays a good style of football, brilliant connections.. That should tide you over for a bit
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