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Post by lordb on Dec 14, 2023 16:56:57 GMT
Lee Carsley as done a great job for England under 21s,but club management is different,we took a chance on Micheal ONeil and that failed, Ish he did the first two parts of his job, keeping us up, getting rid of the high earners brilliantly & brought through more young players then we have for decades he failed to progress the club from lower reaches of the division so failed there yes anyway just because he failed that doesn't mean Carsley will be like saying we took a punt in an up & coming manager in Nathan Jones that failed therefore we should never take a punt again e.t.c.
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Post by stokiejoe89 on Dec 14, 2023 16:57:42 GMT
Lee Carsley as done a great job for England under 21s,but club management is different,we took a chance on Micheal ONeil and that failed, Let's put this another way for the Carsley lovers. If Southgate won the Euros next summer, would you want him as our manager?? No because there is still differences. Carsley is massively respected and is constantly praised for his playstyle, his man management and his coaching ability. Southgate isn't, doesn't and never will be. Also he still picks Jordan Henderson.
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Post by wearepremierleague on Dec 14, 2023 17:08:06 GMT
England U21s were absolute shite before Carsley was appointed. I’d be over the moon if he could get us playing football like they do now.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 14, 2023 17:09:09 GMT
Let's put this another way for the Carsley lovers. If Southgate won the Euros next summer, would you want him as our manager?? No because there is still differences. Carsley is massively respected and is constantly praised for his playstyle, his man management and his coaching ability. Southgate isn't, doesn't and never will be. Also he still picks Jordan Henderson. I find the lack of respect for Southgate astonishing - he easily has the best record as England manager since Alf Ramsey. I'd have him in a heartbeat.
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Post by march4 on Dec 14, 2023 17:11:17 GMT
Lee Carsley is the most exciting option for me. I’d have thought he was a cert for the England job when Southgate goes.
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Post by anchorman on Dec 14, 2023 17:16:06 GMT
I think the ones who are reading wiki pages are the ones who are simultaneously deriding the team for how boring they are to watch (correct) whilst clamouring for Nuno (not exactly known for his exciting football) Whether they play exciting football or not doesn't matter one bit. Nuno plays football that gets results, facts prove that. Results should always matter more than if you play entertaining football or not There are two kinds of football. Winning football & losing football. It really is that simple and right now we need a manager who can get results for Stoke City. This 'exciting football' 'plays the right way shit' bores me rigid. Tony Waddington, Alan Durban, Lou Macari, Tony Pulis & Mark Hughes had their way of getting results, all differed to varying degrees but all were effective in their own way. There is nothing less exciting than being a team of complete losers and that is what we have become over the last 6/7 years. Just appoint a manager who's a winner, demands that of his team and actually wins football matches. Now that's exciting football.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2023 17:17:04 GMT
England U21s were absolute shite before Carsley was appointed. I’d be over the moon if he could get us playing football like they do now. Absolute shite how? We had won 8 out of the 10 games before he was appointed, if I remember correctly.
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Post by a on Dec 14, 2023 17:20:11 GMT
Carsley?! Wouldn't mind him at all! Won't work though. Our continental crew won't respond to him, or Eustace or whoever else they've not heard of Our record with British or Irish managers speaks for itself
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Post by wearepremierleague on Dec 14, 2023 17:20:28 GMT
England U21s were absolute shite before Carsley was appointed. I’d be over the moon if he could get us playing football like they do now. Absolute shite how? We had won 8 out of the 10 games before he was appointed, if I remember correctly. Pretty sure Aidy Boothroyd got us knocked out of two tournaments back to back in the group stage.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Dec 14, 2023 17:27:41 GMT
Lee Carsley as done a great job for England under 21s,but club management is different,we took a chance on Micheal ONeil and that failed, Ish he did the first two parts of his job, keeping us up, getting rid of the high earners brilliantly & brought through more young players then we have for decades he failed to progress the club from lower reaches of the division so failed there yes anyway just because he failed that doesn't mean Carsley will be like saying we took a punt in an up & coming manager in Nathan Jones that failed therefore we should never take a punt again e.t.c. Absolutely MON certainly didnt fail initially, his first 12 months were great In factt had he been sacked in the summer of 22, as he should, his tenure would have been looked upon far more highly
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Post by stokiejoe89 on Dec 14, 2023 17:36:45 GMT
Whether they play exciting football or not doesn't matter one bit. Nuno plays football that gets results, facts prove that. Results should always matter more than if you play entertaining football or not There are two kinds of football. Winning football & losing football. It really is that simple and right now we need a manager who can get results for Stoke City. This 'exciting football' 'plays the right way shit' bores me rigid. Tony Waddington, Alan Durban, Lou Macari, Tony Pulis & Mark Hughes had their way of getting results, all differed to varying degrees but all were effective in their own way. There is nothing less exciting than being a team of complete losers and that is what we have become over the last 6/7 years. Just appoint a manager who's a winner, demands that of his team and actually wins football matches. Now that's exciting football. Spot on. That's why I don't get the "Nuno plays terrible football" It doesn't matter how good or the bad the football is. All that matters is winning
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Post by GeneralFaye on Dec 14, 2023 17:39:13 GMT
Carsley was also coaching at Citeh for a long time before England and was said to be hugely influential in their youth teams success. We need a coach, someone who can make these players better and perform. I'm sick of having "managers" who haven't got a clue on how to actually coach a side.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 14, 2023 17:41:29 GMT
Carsley would be fucking tremendous.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2023 17:47:24 GMT
We all call for a progressive young coach rather than a been around the block plodder then collectively shit ourselves when we get linked with one.
Now If he was called Leonardo Carslino it would be a different matter.
Carsley has a great reputation as a coach and probably knows every young player in the country inside out. His man management skills are also highly praised.
I think it could be an inspired appointment.
Put it this way, if one of our rivals were after him they would be praised to the rafters for being forward thinking.
Obviously it could go horribly wrong but I'd rather that than safe and boring.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 14, 2023 17:49:14 GMT
What experience of the Championship do the managers of the top two have?
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Post by stokiejoe89 on Dec 14, 2023 17:50:04 GMT
We all call for a progressive young coach rather than a been around the block plodder then collectively shit ourselves when we get linked with one. Now If he was called Leonardo Carslino it would be a different matter. Carsley has a great reputation as a coach and probably knows every young player in the country inside out. His man management skills are also highly praised. I think it could be an inspired appointment. Put it this way, if one of our rivals were after him they would be praised to the rafters for being forward thinking. Obviously it could go horribly wrong but I'd rather that than safe and boring. I have given up bothering to explain it to people now why Carsley would be brilliant. If they can't see it when there is so much proof of it available then that's their issue. The same people moaning about Carsley are the the ones who want Will Still 🤣
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2023 17:50:46 GMT
I've been pleasantly surprised with the managers/coaches we've been linked with overall. Very pleasing.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 14, 2023 17:51:36 GMT
I'm all over Carsley coming.
Be a great appointment.
Who are his backroom team for the under 21's or do they not have one? (I have no idea how it works)
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Post by bedworthstokie on Dec 14, 2023 17:52:26 GMT
I'm all over Carsley coming. Be a great appointment..... You dirty bugger
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Post by stokiejoe89 on Dec 14, 2023 17:53:03 GMT
I've been pleasantly surprised with the managers/coaches we've been linked with overall. Very pleasing. We for once are doing this the right way, not rushing and are interviewing it seems many candidates. Will they get the appointment right? Time will tell. But the process they are doing right for once is the smart way, how very un-Stoke like 🤣
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Post by BlurtonRed on Dec 14, 2023 17:59:38 GMT
The pleasing thing is we're taking our time. Leads me to believe or rather hope we're going for someone a bit more out of our normal sphere of candidates
Carsley would be a great choice.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 14, 2023 18:19:42 GMT
I’m not saying carsley talk is a load of shit but he was at St George’s park this morning. I know because I was sat opposite him having breakfast.
Not sure what time people think he was at stoke but it couldn’t have been before midday unless we met him at St George’s
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Post by scfcno1fan on Dec 14, 2023 18:21:45 GMT
I’m not saying carsley talk is a load of shit but he was at St George’s park this morning. I know because I was sat opposite him having breakfast. Not sure what time people think he was at stoke but it couldn’t have been before midday unless we met him at St George’s Should have asked if he was coming to Stoke.
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Post by gingerninja on Dec 14, 2023 18:25:15 GMT
I just wish it would get done and we can move on. With social media around now, there is so much rumour and so called info, it's almost a rollercoaster of emotions..
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Dec 14, 2023 18:26:07 GMT
I've been pleasantly surprised with the managers/coaches we've been linked with overall. Very pleasing. Despite where we are in the league, the overall package will still look very attractive to a number of managers I would have thought.
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Dec 14, 2023 18:27:39 GMT
He said he's unbelievable with the lads and the attention to detail is second to none.
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Our players have all said the sameabout AN and that didn't end well.
That said I wouldn't mind Carsley.
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Post by stokief on Dec 14, 2023 18:31:10 GMT
It's true though isn't it? We're all just going to be thoroughly depressed and p!ssed off when the wrong person for the job (yet again) is predictably announced. It's like we can see how things will pan out on and off the pitch and yet the people who are there and privy to all goings on can't! How many times do we look at a team sheet and know what's coming, and be proved right yet the manager seems to think it'll work? How come we know that another plodding appointment will me made with 'no hope' written all over it? I'm losing the will now. I can't even stand listening to that commentary from Radio Stoke with that bloke talking drivel and prattling on inanely. Maybe it's me just getting old and grumpy but I just want to be pleasantly surprised for once. I'll keep saying it, this lot need a charismatic leader that they have at least a modicum of respect for. Someone they've heard of. I like John Eustace but the time is not right for the sacked Birmingham manager to try to unify this team. First of all they'd have to Wiki any one of these names being touted just to find out who they were (except Nuno) and then they'd see the CV's and dismiss them before even meeting them on the training ground. Carsley? No! As many have already said, managing a National team at whatever level is TOTALLY different form a discordant team in freefall (isn't it Michael?) Some old dinosaur! No! the youngsters'll be sitting there with their headphones in their ears whilst Benson or Hedges drones away at them WE NEED TO PUSH THE BOAT OUT AND BE BRAVE IN OUR DECISION....bet we won't though Nuno, Carsley, JDT, Jokanovic all suggest otherwise Mowbray OK yeah... at the very least it feels different this time We'll see I guess. Think I'm just jaded and they've sucked all optimism from me in recent times. Anyways, Nuno etc could all just be Oatcake and media gossip. Paul Lambert's probably coming back
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Post by baconburger on Dec 14, 2023 18:46:23 GMT
convince me why he wouldnt be a bad idea, im well up for being corrected! It's been done for you in the numerous articles. Regarded as one of the best man managers in the country, won the Euros with an England u21 side that can't be easy to manage due to the amount of ego in that squad. They all love him and rave about him in regards to his man management and playstyle. And then there's Lambert who nobody has ever raved about ever and got nowhere with anyone. They are in no way the same. Carsley with have an ethic and contacts that will benefit us hugely. No that couldn’t be more wrong Lambert won promotions with Norwich and managed in the Premier League. I personally thought he was utter wank but Carsley’s career as a coach pales in comparison.
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Post by baconburger on Dec 14, 2023 18:49:00 GMT
I think the ones who are reading wiki pages are the ones who are simultaneously deriding the team for how boring they are to watch (correct) whilst clamouring for Nuno (not exactly known for his exciting football) Whether they play exciting football or not doesn't matter one bit. Nuno plays football that gets results, facts prove that. Results should always matter more than if you play entertaining football or not To you maybe, you don’t get to make that choice for everyone. Personally you’d have to be winning things for the ends to justify the means. Real success or give me entertainment every time.
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Post by therightside on Dec 14, 2023 18:49:13 GMT
If we were able to appoint Lee Carsley it would boost our chances of getting top quality young players on loan from Premier League clubs. I am sure that Carsley's good reputation for coaching young players would impress their managers. I am aware that we would be coaching and improving other club's players, but I think at the moment it would contribute positively to our future progress.
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