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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Apr 8, 2024 13:40:53 GMT
Amazing how they can manage to get through Everton and Forest so quickly, yet are stalling on Man City. Everton agreed to comply and discuss the charges , Man City denied any wrong doing which has been dragging it on according to Talksport. Also far more complex a case apparently |
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 8, 2024 13:48:49 GMT
Amazing how they can manage to get through Everton and Forest so quickly, yet are stalling on Man City. Everton agreed to comply and discuss the charges , Man City denied any wrong doing which has been dragging it on according to Talksport. Also far more complex a case apparently Man City's cases are far more complex and numerous yes. Also, they have some of the world's most skillful lawyers. Man city are probably spending in the region of 100,000 dollars a day on them preparing the defence. This is why it's taking so long. The Premier League have to ensure their case is water tight. And that might not be enough. |
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Post by noustie on Apr 8, 2024 13:55:05 GMT
They've taken a look at the league table and shit the bed again haven't they?
If Luton were further back then the points penalty I reckon would have been larger leaving them more room to wiggle on appeal. Wouldn't be surprised if it gets reduced to a single point if Luton stay in touching distance especially as Everton have a bit of a dodgy run in.
Whole thing is corrupt to the core.
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Post by Veritas on Apr 8, 2024 14:13:21 GMT
Everton agreed to comply and discuss the charges , Man City denied any wrong doing which has been dragging it on according to Talksport. Also far more complex a case apparently Man City's cases are far more complex and numerous yes. Also, they have some of the world's most skillful lawyers. Man city are probably spending in the region of 100,000 dollars a day on them preparing the defence. This is why it's taking so long. The Premier League have to ensure their case is water tight. And that might not be enough. The Premier League is also terrified Man C will simply say FU and line up with Real Madrid & Barcelona for a breakaway |
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Apr 8, 2024 14:29:25 GMT
The Premier League requested a 5 point deduction but were granted 2.
They requested a 12 point deduction for their first charge, so requested a total of -17 across both cases.
Given their proximity to the relegation zone, you'd imagine they'll appeal.
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Post by spiderpuss on Apr 8, 2024 14:44:19 GMT
Should be now a 20 points penalty. It's wrong what's going on, "the keep Everton in the league" makes you sick. And NO fucking appeals.
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Post by spiderpuss on Apr 8, 2024 14:50:32 GMT
Amazing how they can manage to get through Everton and Forest so quickly, yet are stalling on Man City. It's because those teams aren't bank rolled by oil cash. There's less brown envelopes rocking around with the others. |
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Apr 8, 2024 15:24:34 GMT
Should be now a 20 points penalty. It's wrong what's going on, "the keep Everton in the league" makes you sick. And NO fucking appeals. If you appeal & lose then the points deduction should be doubled no question. Accept it or risk double jeopardy Regardless of points & money restraints, Everton have been absolute shite for the last couple of seasons (Pre season game against us & they were dreadful then!) and the fear is if they go down, they would stay down. On the other hand if they do stay up wont it be back too square one again next season with points deductions hanging over them for further loses in 23/24? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2024 15:37:30 GMT
Man City's cases are far more complex and numerous yes. Also, they have some of the world's most skillful lawyers. Man city are probably spending in the region of 100,000 dollars a day on them preparing the defence. This is why it's taking so long. The Premier League have to ensure their case is water tight. And that might not be enough. The Premier League is also terrified Man C will simply say FU and line up with Real Madrid & Barcelona for a breakaway Let them. The PL sucks anyways. Man City and their ilk aren’t good for English football. |
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Post by spiderpuss on Apr 8, 2024 15:38:25 GMT
Should be now a 20 points penalty. It's wrong what's going on, "the keep Everton in the league" makes you sick. And NO fucking appeals. If you appeal & lose then the points deduction should be doubled no question. Accept it or risk double jeopardy Regardless of points & money restraints, Everton have been absolute shite for the last couple of seasons (Pre season game against us & they were dreadful then!) and the fear is if they go down, they would stay down. On the other hand if they do stay up wont it be back too square one again next season with points deductions hanging over them for further loses in 23/24? You'd imagine, so it's probably best if they suck the mop now. I'm tired of these conniving teams sneaking out of punishment all the time. Meanwhile back in the Potteries were adhering to the rules. It's getting very annoying. I just don't think there should be an appeal. If there's a point deduction, then that's because the rules were broken. How on Earth can a reduction be made?! I really don't know. You broke the rules, it's 10 points, end of argument. |
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Post by milton58 on Apr 8, 2024 16:06:02 GMT
Anyone found guilty of breaking the rules should not have a points deduction....they should start there next campaign in division two like what happened to rangers
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Apr 8, 2024 17:08:22 GMT
If you appeal & lose then the points deduction should be doubled no question. Accept it or risk double jeopardy Regardless of points & money restraints, Everton have been absolute shite for the last couple of seasons (Pre season game against us & they were dreadful then!) and the fear is if they go down, they would stay down. On the other hand if they do stay up wont it be back too square one again next season with points deductions hanging over them for further loses in 23/24? You'd imagine, so it's probably best if they suck the mop now. I'm tired of these conniving teams sneaking out of punishment all the time. Meanwhile back in the Potteries were adhering to the rules. It's getting very annoying. I just don't think there should be an appeal. If there's a point deduction, then that's because the rules were broken. How on Earth can a reduction be made?! I really don't know. You broke the rules, it's 10 points, end of argument. The one thing you can guarantee is The Premiership will make yet another horlicks out of it before the end of the season.... |
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Post by coldtuesdaynight on Apr 8, 2024 17:10:10 GMT
Everton agreed to comply and discuss the charges , Man City denied any wrong doing which has been dragging it on according to Talksport. Also far more complex a case apparently Man City's cases are far more complex and numerous yes. Also, they have some of the world's most skillful lawyers. Man city are probably spending in the region of 100,000 dollars a day on them preparing the defence. This is why it's taking so long. The Premier League have to ensure their case is water tight. And that might not be enough. Imagine if the lawyer costs got factored in to a future FFP punishment! |
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Post by werrington on Apr 8, 2024 17:32:44 GMT
Anyone found guilty of breaking the rules should not have a points deduction....they should start there next campaign in division two like what happened to rangers Glasgow Rangers were guilty of tax evasion not breaking football rules Everton admitted breaking the rules and never hid the fact but in their defence there were serious mitigating circumstances which again they were upfront about |
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Post by questionable on Apr 8, 2024 17:40:37 GMT
Amazing how they can manage to get through Everton and Forest so quickly, yet are stalling on Man City. Everton agreed to comply and discuss the charges , Man City denied any wrong doing which has been dragging it on according to Talksport. Also far more complex a case apparently Isn’t there like over 100 breaches they’re facing?? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 8, 2024 17:43:13 GMT
Everton agreed to comply and discuss the charges , Man City denied any wrong doing which has been dragging it on according to Talksport. Also far more complex a case apparently Isn’t there like over 100 breaches they’re facing?? They are! We defo should chuck a million quid into the kitty for a good lawyer to get our rightful FA Cup title. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Apr 8, 2024 17:44:53 GMT
Everton agreed to comply and discuss the charges , Man City denied any wrong doing which has been dragging it on according to Talksport. Also far more complex a case apparently Isn’t there like over 100 breaches they’re facing?? Yep You'd imagine not something that can be sorted overnight |
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Post by northernstokie on Apr 8, 2024 17:52:31 GMT
Everton agreed to comply and discuss the charges , Man City denied any wrong doing which has been dragging it on according to Talksport. Also far more complex a case apparently Isn’t there like over 100 breaches they’re facing?? How did it get that bad in the 1st place |
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Post by durbanscircus on Apr 8, 2024 18:03:31 GMT
Anyone found guilty of breaking the rules should not have a points deduction....they should start there next campaign in division two like what happened to rangers Glasgow Rangers were guilty of tax evasion not breaking football rules Everton admitted breaking the rules and never hid the fact but in their defence there were serious mitigating circumstances which again they were upfront about i agree you cant bring Rangers into this, they were actually liquidated and joined the Scottish second division as a new club The lack of a transparent framework here will create a window of opportunity for Man Citys lawyers to exploite. I think they have become loathsome club who appear to have a shed load of trophies which they have bought outside of exisitng financial frameworks- and one of them was ours |
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Post by milton58 on Apr 8, 2024 18:18:42 GMT
Anyone found guilty of breaking the rules should not have a points deduction....they should start there next campaign in division two like what happened to rangers Glasgow Rangers were guilty of tax evasion not breaking football rules Everton admitted breaking the rules and never hid the fact but in their defence there were serious mitigating circumstances which again they were upfront about should still send them all to the bottom tier no matter what imo wouldn't do it again |
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Post by moon on Apr 8, 2024 18:28:11 GMT
If you appeal & lose then the points deduction should be doubled no question. Accept it or risk double jeopardy Regardless of points & money restraints, Everton have been absolute shite for the last couple of seasons (Pre season game against us & they were dreadful then!) and the fear is if they go down, they would stay down. On the other hand if they do stay up wont it be back too square one again next season with points deductions hanging over them for further loses in 23/24? You'd imagine, so it's probably best if they suck the mop now. I'm tired of these conniving teams sneaking out of punishment all the time. Meanwhile back in the Potteries were adhering to the rules. It's getting very annoying. I just don't think there should be an appeal. If there's a point deduction, then that's because the rules were broken. How on Earth can a reduction be made?! I really don't know. You broke the rules, it's 10 points, end of argument. It’s a farce, and they are lucky to have received the deductions this season where as little as 34 points will likely see them safe. Everton vs Forest could be decisive, and especially the game away at Luton, their other fixtures are tough with Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal still to play. I’d like to see Luton survive as they have been great to watch, but if they can’t scrape a points tally in the low 30s they can have no complaints. |
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Post by chad on Apr 8, 2024 18:35:23 GMT
How to punish a “big” club
Work out how many points they need to stay up then just punish them with enough deduction to ensure they do
Does anybody believe if this had been Brentford or Burnley the punishment would have seen them down
The whole things an absolute farce
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 8, 2024 18:45:26 GMT
You'd imagine, so it's probably best if they suck the mop now. I'm tired of these conniving teams sneaking out of punishment all the time. Meanwhile back in the Potteries were adhering to the rules. It's getting very annoying. I just don't think there should be an appeal. If there's a point deduction, then that's because the rules were broken. How on Earth can a reduction be made?! I really don't know. You broke the rules, it's 10 points, end of argument. It’s a farce, and they are lucky to have received the deductions this season where as little as 34 points will likely see them safe. Everton vs Forest could be decisive, and especially the game away at Luton, their other fixtures are tough with Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal still to play. I’d like to see Luton survive as they have been great to watch, but if they can’t scrape a points tally in the low 30s they can have no complaints. Everton had Burnley on Saturday and still have Luton, Brentford, Forest and Sheff Utd to play. They should be fine and if they can’t get enough points from those fixtures deserve all they get…. |
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Post by sticky on Apr 8, 2024 20:27:08 GMT
I bet these lawyers are rubbing their hands. If the rules can be manipulated and no fucker understands them, then there isn’t really any point to ffp. What clubs actually favour it🤷🏼♂️
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Post by Veritas on Apr 8, 2024 22:21:41 GMT
The Premier League is also terrified Man C will simply say FU and line up with Real Madrid & Barcelona for a breakaway Let them. The PL sucks anyways. Man City and their ilk aren’t good for English football. I fully agree but they won't of course |
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Post by datguy on Apr 8, 2024 22:47:59 GMT
Genuine question:
Why was Everton’s point deduction for the second cycle (2 points) significantly less than the breach for the first cycle (10 points reduced down to 6).
Surely it should be more? How is it you can break the rules two cycles on the trot and the punishment significantly decreases?
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Apr 8, 2024 22:57:20 GMT
Genuine question: Why was Everton’s point deduction for the second cycle (2 points) significantly less than the breach for the first cycle (10 points reduced down to 6). Surely it should be more? How is it you can break the rules two cycles on the trot and the punishment significantly decreases? Wasn't one down to finance re the stadium that was affected by COVID and Ukraine or similar? Can't remember the exact details but sure was on those lines |
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Apr 9, 2024 4:20:44 GMT
They've taken a look at the league table and shit the bed again haven't they? If Luton were further back then the points penalty I reckon would have been larger leaving them more room to wiggle on appeal. Wouldn't be surprised if it gets reduced to a single point if Luton stay in touching distance especially as Everton have a bit of a dodgy run in. Whole thing is corrupt to the core. It's very simple, break the rules, get relegated. Then magically all these FFP rules will disappear! 😒 |
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Apr 9, 2024 8:18:12 GMT
Genuine question: Why was Everton’s point deduction for the second cycle (2 points) significantly less than the breach for the first cycle (10 points reduced down to 6). Surely it should be more? How is it you can break the rules two cycles on the trot and the punishment significantly decreases? They argued thr first deduction covered two of the three seasons that that second deduction is based on, which the PSR ruling has no legislation on (unlike the EFL). I think that was taken into consideration. Nevertheless, the whole thing is a farce. Every aspect of it from the written rules, the judgements, the pannels through to the appeals. Utter horse shit that serves no purpose what so ever. |
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Post by Gods on Apr 9, 2024 8:33:19 GMT
Whatever the right and wrongs of these points penalties we can't carry on like this.
A way has to be found to prevent these financial indiscretions before they occur.
It's not fair on fans of the affected clubs and actually its not fair on Stoke City either. We may get Everton ceremonially dumped in our division next season and likely taking up a precious promotion place when they have a team which was far too good to go have down to the Championship in normal circumstances.
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