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Post by dirtygary69 on Mar 17, 2024 10:02:43 GMT
Wilmot perhaps typified the performance yesterday. You knew after 5 minutes he was going to have a nightmare, and with Wilmot you can visibly see his confidence and composure exiting his body. He did not have a clue who to pick up or where to be without the ball and then some of the things he attempted with it were laughable.
It's weird for a CB to be a confidence player but it feels like that's Wilmot. He's definitely come back from injury.A worse player.
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Post by wilcopotter on Mar 17, 2024 10:05:21 GMT
Wilmot- the elephant in the room. More like, Wilmot- the headless chicken in the farmyard.
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Post by kerouac on Mar 17, 2024 10:05:59 GMT
My least favourite player out of this sorry bunch and has been for quite a long time. Since he’s been back in the fold, for one reason or another, it has gone massively tits up
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Post by roylandstoke on Mar 17, 2024 10:09:04 GMT
He was poor yesterday. All 3 CBS were poor.
There was no communication between anyone in the defence, keeper included. They looked like they’d met in the carpark for the first time , about 5 minutes before kick off.
Last week, SS seems to have employed the same rigorous training regime that AN developed in his time at. Stoke.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2024 10:20:23 GMT
If we make it and manage to stay up I really hope we totally priorities sorting out the defence. No more foreign wingers, strikers etc etc Quality full backs and two or three ‘you will not pass’ CBs. No more loans or out of contract players, proper die hard defenders who love keeping clean sheets. It’s the foundation on what we need to build.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 17, 2024 10:23:36 GMT
If we make it and manage to stay up I really hope we totally priorities sorting out the defence. No more foreign wingers, strikers etc etc Quality full backs and two or three ‘you will not pass’ CBs. No more loans or out of contract players, proper die hard defenders who love keeping clean sheets. It’s the foundation on what we need to build. 2 of the 3 goals scored yesterday were by foreign players 🤣🤣🤦♂️
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Post by Picasso on Mar 17, 2024 10:25:01 GMT
If we make it and manage to stay up I really hope we totally priorities sorting out the defence. No more foreign wingers, strikers etc etc Quality full backs and two or three ‘you will not pass’ CBs. No more loans or out of contract players, proper die hard defenders who love keeping clean sheets. It’s the foundation on what we need to build. It needs sorting, it all needs sorting, but the priority HAS to be sorting out our strike rate.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 17, 2024 10:27:14 GMT
If we make it and manage to stay up I really hope we totally priorities sorting out the defence. No more foreign wingers, strikers etc etc Quality full backs and two or three ‘you will not pass’ CBs. No more loans or out of contract players, proper die hard defenders who love keeping clean sheets. It’s the foundation on what we need to build. Our best two players are foreign. Are you ok?
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Post by Gary Hackett on Mar 17, 2024 10:28:20 GMT
If we make it and manage to stay up I really hope we totally priorities sorting out the defence. No more foreign wingers, strikers etc etc Quality full backs and two or three ‘you will not pass’ CBs. No more loans or out of contract players, proper die hard defenders who love keeping clean sheets. It’s the foundation on what we need to build. It needs sorting, it all needs sorting, but the priority HAS to be sorting out our strike rate. Disagree. We need to build from the back. Get the defence sorted as a priority then we stop conceding stupid early goals so the confidence doesn't drain away from the team every game. You can't execute a game plan effectively if the rest of the team can't rely on the backline doing their jobs properly, it totally unsettles the team. None of our central defenders are good enough and we don't have a left back fit for purpose.
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Post by thehoof on Mar 17, 2024 10:32:16 GMT
Not one of the Centre Halves is fit for purpose. None of them can mark, not one of them is a leader and asking them to make a successful challenge is about as likely as asking a Forward to score. Should we survive, Schumacher will need three Centre Halves and two left backs for starters!
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Post by pretzel on Mar 17, 2024 10:32:32 GMT
I don't think there is an elephant in the room really, all three central defenders are utter dogshit and it doesn't go unsaid.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2024 10:33:23 GMT
If we make it and manage to stay up I really hope we totally priorities sorting out the defence. No more foreign wingers, strikers etc etc Quality full backs and two or three ‘you will not pass’ CBs. No more loans or out of contract players, proper die hard defenders who love keeping clean sheets. It’s the foundation on what we need to build. 2 of the 3 goals scored yesterday were by foreign players 🤣🤣🤦♂️ My point is we keep trying to buy icing when we haven’t got a cake.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 17, 2024 10:34:13 GMT
2 of the 3 goals scored yesterday were by foreign players 🤣🤣🤦♂️ My point is we keep trying to buy icing when we haven’t got a cake. There’s no need to be xenophobic about it though is there?!
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Post by Picasso on Mar 17, 2024 10:36:21 GMT
It needs sorting, it all needs sorting, but the priority HAS to be sorting out our strike rate. Disagree. We need to build from the back. Get the defence sorted as a priority then we stop conceding stupid early goals so the confidence doesn't drain away from the team every game. ___________________ I don’t disagree with this approach and usually, I would say get the defence sorted (especially centre backs) and then build your core through the middle and up top. Stopping the goals conceded is essential (dare I say, not too dissimilar to Tony Pulis’ mantra), however, with this current squad, our attacking ability is awful. If a transfer window opened now, a goal scorer would be a must.
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Post by malteser68 on Mar 17, 2024 10:37:29 GMT
He was poor yesterday. All 3 CBS were poor. There was no communication between anyone in the defence, keeper included. They looked like they’d met in the carpark for the first time , about 5 minutes before kick off. Last week, SS seems to have employed the same rigorous training regime that AN developed in his time at. Stoke. They looked like they’d met in the car park for the first time 5 minutes before kick off Fully in agreement. But that is totally on Schumacher. It means that he is a complete failure at his job. The buck is totally on him and no one else.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Mar 17, 2024 10:38:49 GMT
If we make it and manage to stay up I really hope we totally priorities sorting out the defence. No more foreign wingers, strikers etc etc Quality full backs and two or three ‘you will not pass’ CBs. No more loans or out of contract players, proper die hard defenders who love keeping clean sheets. It’s the foundation on what we need to build. 2 of the 3 goals scored yesterday were by foreign players 🤣🤣🤦♂️ Haha it reads very badly, but I assume they mean prioritising players like Manhoef and other gambles like Jojic over some solid signings maybe wasn't the best way to do our business. I do think we probably went 2/3 more gambles than we should have, but I was quite excited at the time so shows what I know.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 17, 2024 10:39:36 GMT
The issue re building from the back is that we need a new fucking team again don’t we?
In an ideal world I see the current situation as this:
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Junior ? ? ?
Burger ?
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Rose, Baker and Manhoef the only two that realistically will be here to stay on the bench.
It’s a complete cluster fuck.
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Post by roylandstoke on Mar 17, 2024 10:40:21 GMT
He was poor yesterday. All 3 CBS were poor. There was no communication between anyone in the defence, keeper included. They looked like they’d met in the carpark for the first time , about 5 minutes before kick off. Last week, SS seems to have employed the same rigorous training regime that AN developed in his time at. Stoke. They looked like they’d met in the car park for the first time 5 minutes before kick off Fully in agreement. But that is totally on Schumacher. It means that he is a complete failure at his job. The buck is totally on him and no one else. There is no doubt that a decent coach would improve these players and the team’s results.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 17, 2024 10:41:17 GMT
2 of the 3 goals scored yesterday were by foreign players 🤣🤣🤦♂️ Haha it reads very badly, but I assume they mean prioritising players like Manhoef and other gambles like Jojic over some solid signings maybe wasn't the best way to do our business. I do think we probably went 2/3 more gambles than we should have, but I was quite excited at the time so shows what I know. I know what he means but fuck me 🤣 The Manhoef signing just looks terrible. I actually quite like the look of him tbh but to spend 3/4m when you needed a CB and LB? Madness. And then to not use him. What the actual fuck.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Mar 17, 2024 10:46:49 GMT
Haha it reads very badly, but I assume they mean prioritising players like Manhoef and other gambles like Jojic over some solid signings maybe wasn't the best way to do our business. I do think we probably went 2/3 more gambles than we should have, but I was quite excited at the time so shows what I know. I know what he means but fuck me 🤣 The Manhoef signing just looks terrible. I actually quite like the look of him tbh but to spend 3/4m when you needed a CB and LB? Madness. And then to not use him. What the actual fuck. If there is that much money in the coffers you surely go for 2 or 3 and improve where you need to. I think he's looked OK so far but definitely not worth whatever we paid and I can only see.him working in a very particular system. He looks one dimensional but has looked dangerous when in the right areas.
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Post by stokecitydom on Mar 17, 2024 10:47:10 GMT
Wilmott has been terrible, but for me the worst of the lot is Michael Rose. Every single centre half we have is useless & have a major mistake in them. That passage of play where Rose passed it straight to the Norwich player on the edge of the area, then McNally fell over and couldn’t clear it, then Wilmott cleared the ball and it hit a stoke player (all within about 20 seconds) just summed it up. Shambolic.
To go through a season having Wilmott, Rose & McNally as your centre halves is negligent & unfortunately it’s left us in a right mess.
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Post by nottsover60 on Mar 17, 2024 10:48:52 GMT
Haha it reads very badly, but I assume they mean prioritising players like Manhoef and other gambles like Jojic over some solid signings maybe wasn't the best way to do our business. I do think we probably went 2/3 more gambles than we should have, but I was quite excited at the time so shows what I know. I know what he means but fuck me 🤣 The Manhoef signing just looks terrible. I actually quite like the look of him tbh but to spend 3/4m when you needed a CB and LB? Madness. And then to not use him. What the actual fuck. To not use him because you choose to play your most physical, athletic available midfielder out on the right wing instead? Laurent should always have been central yesterday but most definitely once Pearson went off. I don't dislike Thompson but he is not a physical presence and against the Norwich midfield was never going to be able to stem the tide single handedly especially with the defence playing as they were. Hoever was probably the one outfield player yesterday who coped with Norwich's physical approach, so what exactly was the thinking of putting Laurent on the same side?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 17, 2024 10:49:35 GMT
I know what he means but fuck me 🤣 The Manhoef signing just looks terrible. I actually quite like the look of him tbh but to spend 3/4m when you needed a CB and LB? Madness. And then to not use him. What the actual fuck. If there is that much money in the coffers you surely go for 2 or 3 and improve where you need to. I think he's looked OK so far but definitely not worth whatever we paid and I can only see.him working in a very particular system. He looks one dimensional but has looked dangerous when in the right areas. I’ve been saying it for 8 years now. 423fucking1 yet they don’t do it despite constantly signing number 10s and inverted wingers 🤣🤦♂️🤷♂️
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Post by nottsover60 on Mar 17, 2024 10:55:16 GMT
I know what he means but fuck me 🤣 The Manhoef signing just looks terrible. I actually quite like the look of him tbh but to spend 3/4m when you needed a CB and LB? Madness. And then to not use him. What the actual fuck. If there is that much money in the coffers you surely go for 2 or 3 and improve where you need to. I think he's looked OK so far but definitely not worth whatever we paid and I can only see.him working in a very particular system. He looks one dimensional but has looked dangerous when in the right areas. Yes I agree. You don't spread the money thinly you spend it on the best you can get in two or three positions. I think we panicked in the summer that the squad would be too small and now we are in exactly the same position as last season, too big a squad, too many mediocre senior players wanting game time and making life difficult if they don't get it, meaning that the young players who were getting game time like Lowe and Sidibe are not even on the bench now. We had a great opportunity to build a small high quality squad and completely blew it.
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Post by thehoof on Mar 17, 2024 10:58:09 GMT
He was poor yesterday. All 3 CBS were poor. There was no communication between anyone in the defence, keeper included. They looked like they’d met in the carpark for the first time , about 5 minutes before kick off. Last week, SS seems to have employed the same rigorous training regime that AN developed in his time at. Stoke. They looked like they’d met in the car park for the first time 5 minutes before kick off Fully in agreement. But that is totally on Schumacher. It means that he is a complete failure at his job. The buck is totally on him and no one else. No one else? Are you serious? The BASICS of defending are not something that so called professional footballers should need coaching into them and that is what every single defender lacked yesterday. No communication, playing offside by standing 5 yards behind the next defender? No challenges? No marking? Yes Schumacher definitely had a part to play, but don’t exonerate the players who didn’t play at all!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 17, 2024 10:59:57 GMT
They looked like they’d met in the car park for the first time 5 minutes before kick off Fully in agreement. But that is totally on Schumacher. It means that he is a complete failure at his job. The buck is totally on him and no one else. No one else? Are you serious? The BASICS of defending are not something that so called professional footballers should need coaching into them and that is what every single defender lacked yesterday. No communication, playing offside by standing 5 yards behind the next defender? No challenges? No marking? Yes Schumacher definitely had a part to play, but don’t exonerate the players who didn’t play at all! Disagree. It takes time and preparation and understanding to play what we did yesterday. We know they can’t do it. So to do it, is just fucking stupid.
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Post by nottsover60 on Mar 17, 2024 11:17:00 GMT
They looked like they’d met in the car park for the first time 5 minutes before kick off Fully in agreement. But that is totally on Schumacher. It means that he is a complete failure at his job. The buck is totally on him and no one else. No one else? Are you serious? The BASICS of defending are not something that so called professional footballers should need coaching into them and that is what every single defender lacked yesterday. No communication, playing offside by standing 5 yards behind the next defender? No challenges? No marking? Yes Schumacher definitely had a part to play, but don’t exonerate the players who didn’t play at all! Wilmot was shocking but Mcnally was equally as bad and more culpable for the goals we conceded. Did anyone notice who played those two players on side for that first goal? Mcnally standing yards behind everyone else. And who wasn't marking his player for the third? Mcnally is a whole hearted player and does some good things but makes shocking errors which isn't the result of poor coaching. Marking your player at set pieces and making sure you are in line with your fellow defenders is something schoolboys are expected to do, not something professional players should need coaching. I did however notice pre game that a Norwich coach was working the defenders in moving forward and backward in line.
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Post by thehoof on Mar 17, 2024 11:17:38 GMT
On other posts you moan about Wilmot and the defending, but now you think it takes time to coach the basics of the game? We are not talking about some scientific tactic here Bayern, we are talking about simple numbers. Norwich play with two forwards- we play with 3 centre backs; you shouldn’t end up with forwards not marked. If Norwich press down the wings, your back 3 communicate with the wing backs and make sure that they are in defensive positions when the ball is lost At the end of the day it is 10 outfield players versus 10 outfield players- to be as overrun as we were is because our players do not do the simplest of things correctly. They don’t stay with runners, they don’t communicate and no one takes responsibility. You watch a lot of non league football- you see those basics carried out on a regular basis. It really isn’t that difficult.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Mar 17, 2024 11:21:01 GMT
I liked his pre-injury because despite his limitations, he looked like he might have attributes to develop into a good CB.
He's gone the other way and wreaks havoc in an already chaotic back line.
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Post by cheadlestokie on Mar 17, 2024 11:32:04 GMT
Schumacher has to take a large part of the blame for the first half yesterday. Not necessarily for starting three at the back which I thought was wrong when I saw the line up, but it clearly was causing us problems straight away with how Norwich played and he should have changed as early as ten minutes in. It was clear to everyone that Hoever was being required to cover two players all the time and we needed to go four at the back with two full backs in proper defensive positions And why did we persist on pushing Laurent out wide on the right to supposedly win headers against a smaller full back not only because he never won a header but also left us spare in midfield when the ball was lost. I just didn’t understand the tactics and why it was left to half time to do anything about it.
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