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Post by apb1 on Nov 11, 2023 23:23:57 GMT
All our CBs are terrible on occasion. McNally did g his best to give them a goal, while Rose (who was good today) has done the same on countless occasions. I’m sure we’ve kept clean sheets with Wilmot playing before too. This categorical slating of players is absurd when you watch the games, both last week and this we conceded more chances than we made, but because of wasteful opponents we keep two clean sheets and Wilmot is shit? Weird take. No Wilmot has been shit from the get go. We’ve improved as a defensive unit since his injury. And that shouldn’t surprise anyone. I’m pleased the defence is keeping clean sheets but we need better first choice than we currently have at CB.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 11, 2023 23:24:50 GMT
No Wilmot has been shit from the get go. We’ve improved as a defensive unit since his injury. And that shouldn’t surprise anyone. I’m pleased the defence is keeping clean sheets but we need better first choice than we currently have at CB. Absolutely. Rose and Wilmot are no better than bench players. But Rose is better than Wilmot.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Nov 11, 2023 23:27:55 GMT
Knew this thread was going to happen sooner or later!!! 🙄
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 11, 2023 23:31:32 GMT
Knew this thread was going to happen sooner or later!!! 🙄 Because you’ve realised Wilmot isn’t that good?
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Post by spitthedog on Nov 12, 2023 1:47:09 GMT
I'm hoping someone will come in for Wilmot in January
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Nov 12, 2023 2:18:33 GMT
Knew this thread was going to happen sooner or later!!! 🙄 Because you’ve realised Wilmot isn’t that good? Yeah, that's what it'll be bayern!!! 🙄
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Post by stokedan on Nov 12, 2023 3:50:43 GMT
I was taking to my therapist today about the prevailing nature of people these days to be a bit self serving and deluded. I showed her this message board.
She agreed that Bayern is a cunt.
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Post by ceejays on Nov 12, 2023 4:37:50 GMT
Can I add obnoxious insecure and bell end . Laughing stock deluded argumentative and twat .
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 12, 2023 8:15:53 GMT
Because you’ve realised Wilmot isn’t that good? Yeah, that's what it'll be bayern!!! 🙄 So why does the team look worse with him in it? Why has he never played for us and we look solid defensively? People say he needs a good partner but that just shows him up for what he is even more. Why anyone sticks up for such a poor player for us I will never understand.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 12, 2023 8:16:27 GMT
I was taking to my therapist today about the prevailing nature of people these days to be a bit self serving and deluded. I showed her this message board. She agreed that Bayern is a cunt. Awww you get this angry over people disagreeing with you. Very strange.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 12, 2023 8:17:05 GMT
Can I add obnoxious insecure and bell end . Laughing stock deluded argumentative and twat . The absolute irony. You’re obsessed.
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Post by questionable on Nov 12, 2023 8:41:04 GMT
Rose above Wilmot for me, thought Rose handled the crazily overpriced Simms very well yesterday and can’t recall him making his usual once per game absolute howler, although McNally aptly stepped up with that award for him yesterday.
More accurately put Rose/McNally partnership goes back further than Stoke so they understand each others game, AN must stop swapping and changing now to get long term success but not Gayle, what the hell is he thinking???
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Nov 12, 2023 8:59:21 GMT
I've never really rated Wilmot and we look much better defensively since his injury. I'll be amazed if he starts when fit.
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Post by robwahlmann on Nov 12, 2023 8:59:48 GMT
Two obvious changes for me is to replace Hoever and Gayle. In my opinion both Junior and Gooch are better alternatives, and in addition they are both our players too! Gayle shouldn't really be close to playing, and I really struggle to see why he is picked over Wesley. I also think we need to give Junho more time on the pitch, he has really looked good when given the chance.
.......................Bonham...................... Junior.........McNally..........Rose........Stevens .......................Pearson...................... ..............Burger............Johnson............ Junho...................Mmaee................Vidigal
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Post by sneydgreenstokie1 on Nov 12, 2023 9:20:52 GMT
People really don’t seem to like this or want to hear it but it needs to be said. We’re better defensively without him. He shouldn’t get back in this team bar a massive drop in form of either of the current two centre halves. There is no questioning the clean sheets. Great to see. My point with Wilmot is that when teams let our defenders have the ball, he is the one we have who can bring it out and push us up field. He does play better on the right than the left too. Having said that, I don't think I would change the back line at the moment
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Post by idle on Nov 12, 2023 9:22:37 GMT
Two obvious changes for me is to replace Hoever and Gayle. In my opinion both Junior and Gooch are better alternatives, and in addition they are both our players too! Gayle shouldn't really be close to playing, and I really struggle to see why he is picked over Wesley. I also think we need to give Junho more time on the pitch, he has really looked good when given the chance. .......................Bonham...................... Junior.........McNally..........Rose........Stevens .......................Pearson...................... ..............Burger............Johnson............ Junho...................Mmaee................Vidigal I'd rather replace Johnson than Hoever. A moot point anyway as Junior isn't available (or at least wasn't). You've also dropped Leris, who has been very good, if a bit inconsistent (but who hasn't? This is the championship). I think using both Junho and Junior on the right is lacking a bit of inexperience. ........................Bonham....................... .Hoever.........McNally..........Rose........Stevens. ................Pearson.........Burger............... .........................Junho....................... .Leris...................Mmaee...............Vidigal. We need to develop the connections, and we definitely saw the missing cooperation between Stevens and Vidigal yesterday, while Hoever and Leris are pretty good defensively together.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 12, 2023 9:23:14 GMT
People really don’t seem to like this or want to hear it but it needs to be said. We’re better defensively without him. He shouldn’t get back in this team bar a massive drop in form of either of the current two centre halves. There is no questioning the clean sheets. Great to see. My point with Wilmot is that when teams let our defenders have the ball, he is the one we have who can bring it out and push us up field. He does play better on the right than the left too. Having said that, I don't think I would change the back line at the moment But he doesn’t do it well and is still pretty awful with the ball. Rose is shocking I agree (cos I know that’s the obvious retort and he is truly beyond awful with the ball) but I think with everything else he brings it more than makes up for it. Ultimately though neither are good enough to be regulars in a play off chasing side.
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Post by baconburger on Nov 12, 2023 9:24:23 GMT
All our CBs are terrible on occasion. McNally did g his best to give them a goal, while Rose (who was good today) has done the same on countless occasions. I’m sure we’ve kept clean sheets with Wilmot playing before too. This categorical slating of players is absurd when you watch the games, both last week and this we conceded more chances than we made, but because of wasteful opponents we keep two clean sheets and Wilmot is shit? Weird take. It’s when people just look at outcomes. Our CB’s are still making regular errors we’re just getting away with them mainly. We’re just having that bit of rub of the green we weren’t getting previously. Our CB’s Wilmot included are good championship CB’s but that’s what they are championship CB’s not world class put them under the microscope and you’ll see plenty of weaknesses clean sheets or not and while you’re jizzing over clean sheets we’re hardly scoring ourselves.
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Post by nonameface on Nov 12, 2023 9:32:32 GMT
Any centre back partnership pairing that is keeping clean sheets at a time when we weren't should be first choice until that stops happening.
Wilmot is out for sometime so let's see where we are at the time when he's available to play.
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Post by thornestein on Nov 12, 2023 10:14:06 GMT
Two obvious changes for me is to replace Hoever and Gayle. In my opinion both Junior and Gooch are better alternatives, and in addition they are both our players too! Gayle shouldn't really be close to playing, and I really struggle to see why he is picked over Wesley. I also think we need to give Junho more time on the pitch, he has really looked good when given the chance. .......................Bonham...................... Junior.........McNally..........Rose........Stevens .......................Pearson...................... ..............Burger............Johnson............ Junho...................Mmaee................Vidigal Bae should replace Johnson
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Post by kustokie on Nov 12, 2023 13:30:08 GMT
People really don’t seem to like this or want to hear it but it needs to be said. We’re better defensively without him. He shouldn’t get back in this team bar a massive drop in form of either of the current two centre halves. If I recall correctly he’s actually a converted full back and chipped in a few goals from that position. He’s a potential alternative to Hoever who can’t defend and has shown nothing going forward this season either.
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Post by kustokie on Nov 12, 2023 13:36:00 GMT
Hoever should be a starter, he's everything you need from a fullback Johnson needs to do a bit more, but you can tell he is quality, needs to step up Bonham is playing well, prefer Travers though although fair play to him, can't do much more There in lies the problem. There are better players on the bench than the starting line up. Haks should start and wasn’t even on the bench.
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Post by shrewspotter on Nov 12, 2023 14:12:08 GMT
Hoever should be a starter, he's everything you need from a fullback Johnson needs to do a bit more, but you can tell he is quality, needs to step up Bonham is playing well, prefer Travers though although fair play to him, can't do much more There in lies the problem. There are better players on the bench than the starting line up. Haks should start and wasn’t even on the bench. he was injured though. Groin injury
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Post by robwahlmann on Nov 12, 2023 14:14:57 GMT
Two obvious changes for me is to replace Hoever and Gayle. In my opinion both Junior and Gooch are better alternatives, and in addition they are both our players too! Gayle shouldn't really be close to playing, and I really struggle to see why he is picked over Wesley. I also think we need to give Junho more time on the pitch, he has really looked good when given the chance. .......................Bonham...................... Junior.........McNally..........Rose........Stevens .......................Pearson...................... ..............Burger............Johnson............ Junho...................Mmaee................Vidigal I'd rather replace Johnson than Hoever. A moot point anyway as Junior isn't available (or at least wasn't). You've also dropped Leris, who has been very good, if a bit inconsistent (but who hasn't? This is the championship). I think using both Junho and Junior on the right is lacking a bit of inexperience. ........................Bonham....................... .Hoever.........McNally..........Rose........Stevens. ................Pearson.........Burger............... .........................Junho....................... .Leris...................Mmaee...............Vidigal. We need to develop the connections, and we definitely saw the missing cooperation between Stevens and Vidigal yesterday, while Hoever and Leris are pretty good defensively together. Sorry, but I don't trust Hoever. I also think he is a bit overrated when it comes to the attacking side of the play.
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Post by shrewspotter on Nov 12, 2023 14:15:29 GMT
Hoever should be a starter, he's everything you need from a fullback Johnson needs to do a bit more, but you can tell he is quality, needs to step up Bonham is playing well, prefer Travers though although fair play to him, can't do much more There in lies the problem. There are better players on the bench than the starting line up. Haks should start and wasn’t even on the bench. I agree that there are better players, I'd like to see Junho start, somehow make a place for Tchamadeu too and Mmaaee should play. Interesting though is that Neil wants to play a pressing game especially away and Gayle and Johnson are best at it. I don't agree with it though, yesterday Junho for Johnson would have been my choice and Wes for Gayle in a 442 type set up around 55 minutes
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Post by robwahlmann on Nov 12, 2023 14:16:00 GMT
Two obvious changes for me is to replace Hoever and Gayle. In my opinion both Junior and Gooch are better alternatives, and in addition they are both our players too! Gayle shouldn't really be close to playing, and I really struggle to see why he is picked over Wesley. I also think we need to give Junho more time on the pitch, he has really looked good when given the chance. .......................Bonham...................... Junior.........McNally..........Rose........Stevens .......................Pearson...................... ..............Burger............Johnson............ Junho...................Mmaee................Vidigal Bae should replace Johnson Maybe?
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Post by shrewspotter on Nov 12, 2023 14:19:30 GMT
Two obvious changes for me is to replace Hoever and Gayle. In my opinion both Junior and Gooch are better alternatives, and in addition they are both our players too! Gayle shouldn't really be close to playing, and I really struggle to see why he is picked over Wesley. I also think we need to give Junho more time on the pitch, he has really looked good when given the chance. .......................Bonham...................... Junior.........McNally..........Rose........Stevens .......................Pearson...................... ..............Burger............Johnson............ Junho...................Mmaee................Vidigal having never seen him I'd play that Jojic wide right and Bae as the 10
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Post by stantheman on Nov 12, 2023 14:20:01 GMT
Dear Ben,
If you're reading this drivel, please ignore it. This post was created by an attention seeking bell end.
Get well soon, and look forward to seeing you in the Red & White soon.
Yours,
A sane Stoke supporter
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Post by robwahlmann on Nov 12, 2023 14:21:24 GMT
Two obvious changes for me is to replace Hoever and Gayle. In my opinion both Junior and Gooch are better alternatives, and in addition they are both our players too! Gayle shouldn't really be close to playing, and I really struggle to see why he is picked over Wesley. I also think we need to give Junho more time on the pitch, he has really looked good when given the chance. .......................Bonham...................... Junior.........McNally..........Rose........Stevens .......................Pearson...................... ..............Burger............Johnson............ Junho...................Mmaee................Vidigal having never seen him I'd play that Jojic wide right and Bae as the 10 I've hardly seen Jojic play so I can't say if he alredy is an option there.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Nov 12, 2023 14:27:34 GMT
Yeah, that's what it'll be bayern!!! 🙄 So why does the team look worse with him in it? Why has he never played for us and we look solid defensively? People say he needs a good partner but that just shows him up for what he is even more. Why anyone sticks up for such a poor player for us I will never understand. Duly noted bayern..... (delete)!!!
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