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Post by numpty40 on Oct 6, 2023 20:48:40 GMT
Hopefully we'll have a clearer idea of their policies after next week. Surely they can't spend the whole conference telling us how bad the tories are but then put nothing on the table as an alternative, can they?
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Post by cheadlepotter on Oct 6, 2023 21:02:05 GMT
Fingers crossed it’s a good one and not completely focussed on the smoking ban and Sunak’s transgender comments. Some rainbow flags aren’t going to win enough folk over.
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 7, 2023 6:58:52 GMT
They have announced some housing reform. Doing what the tories said they would do and then bottled: so outlawing no fault evictions and reforming planning laws so more homes can be built. They haven’t released details of planning reform yet.
I really hope they have a few other big policy announcements at the conference.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Oct 7, 2023 7:52:40 GMT
They have announced some housing reform. Doing what the tories said they would do and then bottled: so outlawing no fault evictions and reforming planning laws so more homes can be built. They haven’t released details of planning reform yet. I really hope they have a few other big policy announcements at the conference. Just saw Angela Raynor talking about it. Thought she handled it well and the guy asking the questions did a good job. Few concerns for me. - With all these houses being built will the infrastructure be put in place re shops, doctors, parking, transport and policing. - What about the green belt? Where I live there’s literally next to no land left to build on. - Re social housing. From my experience it’s a lot easier to get problem households out than get them in. Will they be taking a tough stance on those homed. It only takes one family to destroy the happiness in a community.
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Post by lordb on Oct 7, 2023 7:55:21 GMT
The key conferences will be next year's
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 7, 2023 8:13:48 GMT
They have announced some housing reform. Doing what the tories said they would do and then bottled: so outlawing no fault evictions and reforming planning laws so more homes can be built. They haven’t released details of planning reform yet. I really hope they have a few other big policy announcements at the conference. Just saw Angela Raynor talking about it. Thought she handled it well and the guy asking the questions did a good job. Few concerns for me. - With all these houses being built will the infrastructure be put in place re shops, doctors, parking, transport and policing. - What about the green belt? Where I live there’s literally next to no land left to build on. - Re social housing. From my experience it’s a lot easier to get problem households out than get them in. Will they be taking a tough stance on those homed. It only takes one family to destroy the happiness in a community. All important points that need to be dealt with when building new homes. And this is why HS2 has been such a terrible waste of money. Far better to have built new houses and used the HS2 money to fund the local infrastructure and transport networks and public services and business opportunities for the expanded local communities. However, we have a terrible issue with nimbys in this country. Which is why selling new development to an area must be backed up by investment in the local services and businesses to enhance communities. It isn’t good enough just to increase housing stock. But I prefer the narrative from Labour who are focusing on affordability of new homes.
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Post by elystokie on Oct 7, 2023 8:18:49 GMT
They have announced some housing reform. Doing what the tories said they would do and then bottled: so outlawing no fault evictions and reforming planning laws so more homes can be built. They haven’t released details of planning reform yet. I really hope they have a few other big policy announcements at the conference. Just saw Angela Raynor talking about it. Thought she handled it well and the guy asking the questions did a good job. Few concerns for me. - With all these houses being built will the infrastructure be put in place re shops, doctors, parking, transport and policing. - What about the green belt? Where I live there’s literally next to no land left to build on. - Re social housing. From my experience it’s a lot easier to get problem households out than get them in. Will they be taking a tough stance on those homed. It only takes one family to destroy the happiness in a community. You'd have thought there'd be plenty of room to build in this country, given that we only actually occupy a similar percentage of it to that which is exposed when the tide goes out.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Oct 7, 2023 8:26:14 GMT
Just saw Angela Raynor talking about it. Thought she handled it well and the guy asking the questions did a good job. Few concerns for me. - With all these houses being built will the infrastructure be put in place re shops, doctors, parking, transport and policing. - What about the green belt? Where I live there’s literally next to no land left to build on. - Re social housing. From my experience it’s a lot easier to get problem households out than get them in. Will they be taking a tough stance on those homed. It only takes one family to destroy the happiness in a community. All important points that need to be dealt with when building new homes. And this is why HS2 has been such a terrible waste of money. Far better to have built new houses and used the HS2 money to fund the local infrastructure and transport networks and public services and business opportunities for the expanded local communities. However, we have a terrible issue with nimbys in this country. Which is why selling new development to an area must be backed up by investment in the local services and businesses to enhance communities. It isn’t good enough just to increase housing stock. But I prefer the narrative from Labour who are focusing on affordability of new homes. Good post. I think the post has to be based on affordability and initiatives for key workers to be increased to the likes of shop workers and care workers who saw us through covid so selflesly. There has to be an incentive for people to work if they can. The worst thing is for people to “expect” a home without having to contribute by paying there taxes (however big or small)etc
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Oct 7, 2023 8:43:22 GMT
All important points that need to be dealt with when building new homes. And this is why HS2 has been such a terrible waste of money. Far better to have built new houses and used the HS2 money to fund the local infrastructure and transport networks and public services and business opportunities for the expanded local communities. However, we have a terrible issue with nimbys in this country. Which is why selling new development to an area must be backed up by investment in the local services and businesses to enhance communities. It isn’t good enough just to increase housing stock. But I prefer the narrative from Labour who are focusing on affordability of new homes. Good post. I think the post has to be based on affordability and initiatives for key workers to be increased to the likes of shop workers and care workers who saw us through covid so selflesly. There has to be an incentive for people to work if they can. The worst thing is for people to “expect” a home without having to contribute by paying there taxes (however big or small)etc But then you get a Catch 22 - it's hard to get a job if you haven't got a home and it's hard enough for someone in a decent job to get one let alone someone living on the streets. There has to be some housing provision to deal with homelessness. There is a large number of unoccupied properties in this country - for me second homes need to be taxed more heavily and council's given the power to compulsory purchase unoccupied properties. House prices are way too high compared with wages. A mass social housing program and affordable rents would help hold back house prices - they really need to stagnate for a generation in order for young people to have the house ownership opportunities my generation enjoyed. That wouldn't be popular but it's what's needed.
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 7, 2023 8:55:46 GMT
Good post. I think the post has to be based on affordability and initiatives for key workers to be increased to the likes of shop workers and care workers who saw us through covid so selflesly. There has to be an incentive for people to work if they can. The worst thing is for people to “expect” a home without having to contribute by paying there taxes (however big or small)etc But then you get a Catch 22 - it's hard to get a job if you haven't got a home and it's hard enough for someone in a decent job to get one let alone someone living on the streets. There has to be some housing provision to deal with homelessness. There is a large number of unoccupied properties in this country - for me second homes need to be taxed more heavily and council's given the power to compulsory purchase unoccupied properties. House prices are way too high compared with wages. A mass social housing program and affordable rents would help hold back house prices - they really need to stagnate for a generation in order for young people to have the house ownership opportunities my generation enjoyed. That wouldn't be popular but it's what's needed. There’s only one thing wrong with government interfering with housing They will struggle to get re-elected Very few people will vote for a party that’s stuck them in negative equity Or took thousands off there inheritance It’s a very fine balance between increasing supply sufficient to solve the problem without dramatically crashing the private rental sector Thus causing a housing price crash To solve it you have to convince millions of people that they should give up billions of pounds for the better good Good luck with that
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Post by cobhamstokey on Oct 7, 2023 9:42:43 GMT
Good post. I think the post has to be based on affordability and initiatives for key workers to be increased to the likes of shop workers and care workers who saw us through covid so selflesly. There has to be an incentive for people to work if they can. The worst thing is for people to “expect” a home without having to contribute by paying there taxes (however big or small)etc But then you get a Catch 22 - it's hard to get a job if you haven't got a home and it's hard enough for someone in a decent job to get one let alone someone living on the streets. There has to be some housing provision to deal with homelessness. There is a large number of unoccupied properties in this country - for me second homes need to be taxed more heavily and council's given the power to compulsory purchase unoccupied properties. House prices are way too high compared with wages. A mass social housing program and affordable rents would help hold back house prices - they really need to stagnate for a generation in order for young people to have the house ownership opportunities my generation enjoyed. That wouldn't be popular but it's what's needed. Then maybe it’s time to be creative and have some sort of step system. As you say it’s important to have a base where correspondence needs to be sent to so set-up yearly leases in temporary accommodation for people out of work on the condition that they get a job. Then there shouldn’t be an excuse for them to get a job. What we don’t want to create is a country where too many people feel too safe and comfortable in relation to not working. There should of course be those that should be homed eg Parents of the under 5s Those with disabilities unable to work
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Oct 7, 2023 10:39:55 GMT
But then you get a Catch 22 - it's hard to get a job if you haven't got a home and it's hard enough for someone in a decent job to get one let alone someone living on the streets. There has to be some housing provision to deal with homelessness. There is a large number of unoccupied properties in this country - for me second homes need to be taxed more heavily and council's given the power to compulsory purchase unoccupied properties. House prices are way too high compared with wages. A mass social housing program and affordable rents would help hold back house prices - they really need to stagnate for a generation in order for young people to have the house ownership opportunities my generation enjoyed. That wouldn't be popular but it's what's needed. There’s only one thing wrong with government interfering with housing They will struggle to get re-elected Very few people will vote for a party that’s stuck them in negative equity Or took thousands off there inheritance It’s a very fine balance between increasing supply sufficient to solve the problem without dramatically crashing the private rental sector Thus causing a housing price crash To solve it you have to convince millions of people that they should give up billions of pounds for the better good Good luck with that Yes I know it would be unpopular but the root of the problem is our generation milking an over inflated housing market and leaving the younger generation with over inflated rents and no chance of owning their own home. It has to change - tax second home ownership to the point where it isn't viable, free up the empty properties and hold back house prices by allowing councils to provide cheap social housing. For anyone in my generation that would involve putting the interests of the younger generation before mine but if I were of that generation I'd say fuck the old farts and just do it.
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Post by OldStokie on Oct 7, 2023 12:27:57 GMT
This is Starmer's chance to put the final knife into Tory backs. (He should be good at it given how he did it against Corbyn and the left wing of 'his' party.) Given the ammo he's been fed by Sunak's catastrophic speech last week, plus Braverman's lunatic rant across the pond, much of which has become a laughing stock, then he should be booted through the door before he does fatal damage to Labour's chances of winning the next election.
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Post by desman2 on Oct 7, 2023 18:34:54 GMT
I think it's too late. You have now got too many people in the country for supply to catch up with demand. Both parties have had since the 1980s to keep up but neither have. It's roughly this period where the country started to slip into the mess we are in now.
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 7, 2023 22:00:30 GMT
Have they figured out what a women is yet ? 👀
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Post by adri2008 on Oct 7, 2023 22:44:59 GMT
Time to start fleshing out policies. At the moment all I'm seeing is a slightly kinder version of managed decline - tinkering around the edges basically.
Merely not being the government might be sufficient this time around but getting into power on a wave of apathy is hardly inspiring and likely to lead to zero good will from the electorate when tough decisions inevitably need to be made.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 8, 2023 19:50:33 GMT
Now we're talking! 👏
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 8, 2023 19:56:33 GMT
Smart move! 😆
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 8, 2023 19:57:14 GMT
Self employed with business registered at my home address so I got the square root of fack all out of anyone. And spent most of my time playing teacher with my kid. And I'm thick as shit. What an absolute mess they made of it all. Not surprising though sadly.
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Post by elystokie on Oct 8, 2023 20:04:48 GMT
Self employed with business registered at my home address so I got the square root of fack all out of anyone. And spent most of my time playing teacher with my kid. And I'm thick as shit. What an absolute mess they made of it all. Not surprising though sadly. Same, my lad and me got fuck all either, absolutely zip. Pay back double voluntarily or go to jail and pay back double if they have to be tracked down would be my preferred policy.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 8, 2023 20:07:26 GMT
Self employed with business registered at my home address so I got the square root of fack all out of anyone. And spent most of my time playing teacher with my kid. And I'm thick as shit. What an absolute mess they made of it all. Not surprising though sadly. Same as me, not a penny mate, even though I ended up over £100k down by the end of it.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 8, 2023 20:09:07 GMT
Self employed with business registered at my home address so I got the square root of fack all out of anyone. And spent most of my time playing teacher with my kid. And I'm thick as shit. What an absolute mess they made of it all. Not surprising though sadly. Same, my lad and me got fuck all either, absolutely zip. Pay back double voluntarily or go to jail and pay back double if they have to be tracked down would be my preferred policy. And longer sentences for those who benefited directly from government corruption.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 8, 2023 20:11:44 GMT
Self employed with business registered at my home address so I got the square root of fack all out of anyone. And spent most of my time playing teacher with my kid. And I'm thick as shit. What an absolute mess they made of it all. Not surprising though sadly. Same, my lad and me got fuck all either, absolutely zip. Pay back double voluntarily or go to jail and pay back double if they have to be tracked down would be my preferred policy. Shyte wasn't it. All these people getting paid to sit in the garden and have bbq all whilst getting paid still and we got no help whatsoever. And they bloody wondered why people like me were getting pissed off. I'll never forgive this govt for all of that. Was almost like they were happy to see small one and 2 band businesses fail and disappear. Thankfully they failed with me. Others weren't so lucky sadly.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 8, 2023 20:14:08 GMT
Self employed with business registered at my home address so I got the square root of fack all out of anyone. And spent most of my time playing teacher with my kid. And I'm thick as shit. What an absolute mess they made of it all. Not surprising though sadly. Same as me, not a penny mate, even though I ended up over £100k down by the end of it. Blimey that's a big hole that. Hopefully you've managed to get yourself on an even keel now 🙏
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 8, 2023 20:15:09 GMT
Same as me, not a penny mate, even though I ended up over £100k down by the end of it. Blimey that's a big hole that. Hopefully you've managed to get yourself on an even keel now 🙏 All good Mickey. 👍
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Post by elystokie on Oct 8, 2023 20:15:11 GMT
Same, my lad and me got fuck all either, absolutely zip. Pay back double voluntarily or go to jail and pay back double if they have to be tracked down would be my preferred policy. Shyte wasn't it. All these people getting paid to sit in the garden and have bbq all whilst getting paid still and we got no help whatsoever. And they bloody wondered why people like me were getting pissed off. I'll never forgive this govt for all of that. Was almost like they were happy to see small one and 2 band businesses fail and disappear. Thankfully they failed with me. Others weren't so lucky sadly. Indeed it was and it was especially galling to come on here and be accused (not personally but in a general way) of being happy about being 'sat on your arse at home' - hilarious 😐
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 8, 2023 20:21:50 GMT
Covid Corruption Commissioner? You just have to laugh. They’re not even in government yet and already making bombastic promises they have zero intention of following through. Tories in red
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 8, 2023 20:23:11 GMT
Shyte wasn't it. All these people getting paid to sit in the garden and have bbq all whilst getting paid still and we got no help whatsoever. And they bloody wondered why people like me were getting pissed off. I'll never forgive this govt for all of that. Was almost like they were happy to see small one and 2 band businesses fail and disappear. Thankfully they failed with me. Others weren't so lucky sadly. Indeed it was and it was especially galling to come on here and be accused (not personally but in a general way) of being happy about being 'sat on your arse at home' - hilarious 😐 I'll admit that for the first glorious few days in the lovely weather I did get stuck in to the vino and bbq lifestyle. But it slowly dawned on me that I wasn't getting anything assistance wise and I very quickly changed my tune 😆
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 8, 2023 20:26:28 GMT
Covid Corruption Commissioner? You just have to laugh. They’re not even in government yet and already making bombastic promises they have zero intention of following through. Tories in red Sadly you're probably right. They'll recoup 500m and spend 500m finding it. Waste of time probably.
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 8, 2023 20:31:31 GMT
Covid Corruption Commissioner? You just have to laugh. They’re not even in government yet and already making bombastic promises they have zero intention of following through. Tories in red Sadly you're probably right. They'll recoup 500m and spend 500m finding it. Waste of time probably. Makes them feel virtuous by saying it to a gullible public though.
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