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Post by Northy on Oct 10, 2023 13:02:04 GMT
All surveys recently carried out show 66% in favour of renationalisation. So it seems like you're spectacularly wrong....yet again mate. So surveys now, not actual details of how crap it was at the time? It was pretty awful back then, surprised he can't remember. One of my brothers started an apprenticeship at British Rail in Crewe in the mid to late 70's, he left as it was so bad and wasn't learning anything, on nights everyone just found somewhere to sleep and somebody blew a bugle at 6AM to wake everyone up ready to go home and do a day job, electricians used to cut up lengths of conduit and throw them in a skip, then get the boss to sign a 'take out of the skip' form, they'd then take them and use them on their day jobs for free and charge the customers for it. Union workers just as bad as ripping off taxpayers as the Tories but on a lower scale.
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Post by desman2 on Oct 10, 2023 13:03:22 GMT
You have two choices in UK elections in this day and age.
1. Vote Tory where those at the top get everything and those at the bottom pay for it and get nothing
or
2. Vote Labour where those at the top get everything and those at the bottom pay for it and get nothing
Choose wisely
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Post by cvillestokie on Oct 10, 2023 13:06:31 GMT
That’s an interesting one. By and large, fraud is a crime. If your house was broken into, would you be okay with the police saying that they will not investigate as the cost of the stolen items will be less than the cost of their wages and the court’s time? Aren't they already doing that with thefts from shops? Is all fraud, fraud? Are you in support of that policy? And yes, if proven guilty, fraud is fraud. If it costs the same as the money recouped but stops these individuals from being able to do it again so easily, wouldn’t that be a good thing?
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 10, 2023 13:14:03 GMT
You have two choices in UK elections in this day and age. 1. Vote Tory where those at the top get everything and those at the bottom pay for it and get nothing or 2. Vote Labour where those at the top get everything and those at the bottom pay for it and get nothing Choose wisely I think paying 40% tax if you earn over 60k 45% if you earn over 124k equates to those at the bottom paying for whatever it is
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 10, 2023 13:14:38 GMT
You want more regulation? I agree. And where has the most regulation on businesses and publicly owned assets than anywhere else…..the EU. Shame we left really. Oh well. The French government must laugh at us owning our energy and rail companies. So must the Chinese. We have a partially nationalised system but we only allow foreign governments to own our assets! Absolute madness. Take back control of our country’s assets! These companies were raping us when we were in the EU Yes. But the tories want to deregulate
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Post by scfcno1fan on Oct 10, 2023 13:40:36 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 10, 2023 14:00:29 GMT
All surveys recently carried out show 66% in favour of renationalisation. So it seems like you're spectacularly wrong....yet again mate. So surveys now, not actual details of how crap it was at the time? Depends on where you get your news from. Pretty clear where you got yours.
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Post by henry on Oct 10, 2023 14:09:45 GMT
Has Rachel Reeves confirmed Labour will play fast and loose with 5% of people’s pension contributions yet ?
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Post by Waggy on Oct 10, 2023 14:30:42 GMT
You have two choices in UK elections in this day and age. 1. Vote Tory where those at the top get everything and those at the bottom pay for it and get nothing or 2. Vote Labour where those at the top get everything and those at the bottom pay for it and get nothing Choose wisely Spot on. Fed bullshit, since convid, democracy or lack of has opened my eyes
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Post by essexstokey on Oct 10, 2023 14:55:06 GMT
10 ovations for the man heading to number 10 😁
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 10, 2023 15:20:21 GMT
You have two choices in UK elections in this day and age. 1. Vote Tory where those at the top get everything and those at the bottom pay for it and get nothing or 2. Vote Labour where those at the top get everything and those at the bottom pay for it and get nothing Choose wisely Spot on. Fed bullshit, since convid, democracy or lack of has opened my eyes Covid most certainly opened my eyes. And I'm yet to get a sensible answer as to why Susan Minchie a fully paid up member of the British communist party was one of the chief advisors with SAGE to the government. Just can't bend my head around that one. Yet it never really got onto anyone's radar. Weird. Lovely real life chance for a commie to test out population control. Bonkers
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Post by kingdong on Oct 10, 2023 15:44:27 GMT
He's not Huddy. I also remember the Gas Board and streets dug up for weeks on end. British Railways was a disaster. Why do you think goods traffic moved off the rail to roads? Why do you think the postal service stopped using the railways? I worked for the steel industry. I've seen nationalisation in action. Thatcher was right to sell them off and end taxes being poured into them. She was wrong not to set up regulatory controls to ensure they were run in the interests of customers and the public and not just share holders. The end result is we now again have tax payers supporting them again with major projects such as Tideway where costs are spiralling. Some foreign utility companies are government owned, so: www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64674131EDF's debts have spiralled to €64.5bn. You want more regulation? I agree. And where has the most regulation on businesses and publicly owned assets than anywhere else…..the EU. Shame we left really. Oh well. The French government must laugh at us owning our energy and rail companies. So must the Chinese. We have a partially nationalised system but we only allow foreign governments to own our assets! Absolute madness. Take back control of our country’s assets! If we were still in the EU, wouldn’t they have blocked any attempts to renationalise anything? I thought that is one of their rules. I recall Mick Lynch stating in an interview before the 2019 GE that Labours manifesto section around renationalising things like the railways was pretty much banned under EU regulations.
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 10, 2023 15:57:08 GMT
You want more regulation? I agree. And where has the most regulation on businesses and publicly owned assets than anywhere else…..the EU. Shame we left really. Oh well. The French government must laugh at us owning our energy and rail companies. So must the Chinese. We have a partially nationalised system but we only allow foreign governments to own our assets! Absolute madness. Take back control of our country’s assets! If we were still in the EU, wouldn’t they have blocked any attempts to renationalise anything? I thought that is one of their rules. I recall Mick Lynch stating in an interview before the 2019 GE that Labours manifesto section around renationalising things like the railways was pretty much banned under EU regulations. No that’s another myth. Think about how much stuff is owned by the French government in France, or by the German government in Germany: loads!
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Post by Veritas on Oct 10, 2023 16:01:07 GMT
If we were still in the EU, wouldn’t they have blocked any attempts to renationalise anything? I thought that is one of their rules. I recall Mick Lynch stating in an interview before the 2019 GE that Labours manifesto section around renationalising things like the railways was pretty much banned under EU regulations. No that’s another myth. Think about how much stuff is owned by the French government in France, or by the German government in Germany: loads! What's that, myths being peddled about the EU?? Well I never!!
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Post by kingdong on Oct 10, 2023 16:16:12 GMT
If we were still in the EU, wouldn’t they have blocked any attempts to renationalise anything? I thought that is one of their rules. I recall Mick Lynch stating in an interview before the 2019 GE that Labours manifesto section around renationalising things like the railways was pretty much banned under EU regulations. No that’s another myth. Think about how much stuff is owned by the French government in France, or by the German government in Germany: loads! I am talking about companies going from private to public hands, not about stuff currently owned by governments. How many of those have there been in the EU?
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 10, 2023 17:30:20 GMT
All surveys recently carried out show 66% in favour of renationalisation. So it seems like you're spectacularly wrong....yet again mate. So surveys now, not actual details of how crap it was at the time? Be made up surveys anyway mate.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 10, 2023 17:43:52 GMT
You want more regulation? I agree. And where has the most regulation on businesses and publicly owned assets than anywhere else…..the EU. Shame we left really. Oh well. The French government must laugh at us owning our energy and rail companies. So must the Chinese. We have a partially nationalised system but we only allow foreign governments to own our assets! Absolute madness. Take back control of our country’s assets! If we were still in the EU, wouldn’t they have blocked any attempts to renationalise anything? I thought that is one of their rules. I recall Mick Lynch stating in an interview before the 2019 GE that Labours manifesto section around renationalising things like the railways was pretty much banned under EU regulations. No. But they have the ability to make it a very difficult process as per......
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Oct 10, 2023 17:59:16 GMT
The railways were nationalised because they were worn out after the war, but had been struggling before that.
They were always going to lose traffic to roads. I'm not going to pretend BR was wonderful , at times it was shocking, but from the mid-'80's was far more business-led.
The subsequent Tory privatisation was disastrous and has cost the taxpayer far more than BR . Now the railways are already at least semi-nationalised with Network Rail, and multiple failed franchises being run by the state such that the 'Operator of Last Resort' is the biggest operator of passenger trains in the UK.
People should compare the success and innovation of state-run LNER with the shambles of private sector Avanti West Coast before dismissing nationalisation.
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Post by knype on Oct 10, 2023 17:59:32 GMT
So surveys now, not actual details of how crap it was at the time? It was pretty awful back then, surprised he can't remember. One of my brothers started an apprenticeship at British Rail in Crewe in the mid to late 70's, he left as it was so bad and wasn't learning anything, on nights everyone just found somewhere to sleep and somebody blew a bugle at 6AM to wake everyone up ready to go home and do a day job, electricians used to cut up lengths of conduit and throw them in a skip, then get the boss to sign a 'take out of the skip' form, they'd then take them and use them on their day jobs for free and charge the customers for it. Union workers just as bad as ripping off taxpayers as the Tories but on a lower scale. Yep, heard numerous stories off family members, I think Huddy's red tinted goggles are overriding his memory. Or it's just selective memory and pure denial
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Post by knype on Oct 10, 2023 18:01:05 GMT
Aren't they already doing that with thefts from shops? Is all fraud, fraud? Are you in support of that policy? And yes, if proven guilty, fraud is fraud. If it costs the same as the money recouped but stops these individuals from being able to do it again so easily, wouldn’t that be a good thing? No, the police should be going to every robbery no matter how trivial it seems to some , it maybe major to others.
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Post by knype on Oct 10, 2023 18:02:10 GMT
So surveys now, not actual details of how crap it was at the time? Depends on where you get your news from. Pretty clear where you got yours. From family members who were there at the time and experienced it, you get yours from Jeremy Corbyns hand book?
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 10, 2023 18:08:07 GMT
It was pretty awful back then, surprised he can't remember. One of my brothers started an apprenticeship at British Rail in Crewe in the mid to late 70's, he left as it was so bad and wasn't learning anything, on nights everyone just found somewhere to sleep and somebody blew a bugle at 6AM to wake everyone up ready to go home and do a day job, electricians used to cut up lengths of conduit and throw them in a skip, then get the boss to sign a 'take out of the skip' form, they'd then take them and use them on their day jobs for free and charge the customers for it. Union workers just as bad as ripping off taxpayers as the Tories but on a lower scale. Yep, heard numerous stories off family members, I think Huddy's red tinted goggles are overriding his memory. Or it's just selective memory and pure denial It's just bitterness and spite pure and simple.
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Post by knype on Oct 10, 2023 18:13:44 GMT
Yep, heard numerous stories off family members, I think Huddy's red tinted goggles are overriding his memory. Or it's just selective memory and pure denial It's just bitterness and spite pure and simple. I'm sure a Tory partner must have dumped him at sometime or other
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 10, 2023 18:17:21 GMT
It's just bitterness and spite pure and simple. I'm sure a Tory partner must have dumped him at sometime or other Something has certainly happened to him to make him the way he is.
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Post by suck_the_mop. on Oct 10, 2023 18:18:29 GMT
So surveys now, not actual details of how crap it was at the time? It was pretty awful back then, surprised he can't remember. One of my brothers started an apprenticeship at British Rail in Crewe in the mid to late 70's, he left as it was so bad and wasn't learning anything, on nights everyone just found somewhere to sleep and somebody blew a bugle at 6AM to wake everyone up ready to go home and do a day job, electricians used to cut up lengths of conduit and throw them in a skip, then get the boss to sign a 'take out of the skip' form, they'd then take them and use them on their day jobs for free and charge the customers for it. Union workers just as bad as ripping off taxpayers as the Tories but on a lower scale. Yeah nationalisation coming home from school first job get all the candles lit for when the power went off for 4 hours? 3 or 4 days a week!!! Also if we do renationalise who is going to pay? Most companies are foreign owned now they are not going turn round and say here you go here is your company back.
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 10, 2023 18:51:06 GMT
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Oct 10, 2023 18:55:35 GMT
It was pretty awful back then, surprised he can't remember. One of my brothers started an apprenticeship at British Rail in Crewe in the mid to late 70's, he left as it was so bad and wasn't learning anything, on nights everyone just found somewhere to sleep and somebody blew a bugle at 6AM to wake everyone up ready to go home and do a day job, electricians used to cut up lengths of conduit and throw them in a skip, then get the boss to sign a 'take out of the skip' form, they'd then take them and use them on their day jobs for free and charge the customers for it. Union workers just as bad as ripping off taxpayers as the Tories but on a lower scale. Yeah nationalisation coming home from school first job get all the candles lit for when the power went off for 4 hours? 3 or 4 days a week!!! Also if we do renationalise who is going to pay? Most companies are foreign owned now they are not going turn round and say here you go here is your company back. Renationalising the passenger railway can be done at low cost, just wait for the operators' franchises to run out. I could list any number of failings of the privatised railway system.
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 10, 2023 18:58:39 GMT
No that’s another myth. Think about how much stuff is owned by the French government in France, or by the German government in Germany: loads! I am talking about companies going from private to public hands, not about stuff currently owned by governments. How many of those have there been in the EU? Loads, you just can’t exclude private companies from bidding for the work.
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Oct 10, 2023 19:14:02 GMT
You want more regulation? I agree. And where has the most regulation on businesses and publicly owned assets than anywhere else…..the EU. Shame we left really. Oh well. The French government must laugh at us owning our energy and rail companies. So must the Chinese. We have a partially nationalised system but we only allow foreign governments to own our assets! Absolute madness. Take back control of our country’s assets! If we were still in the EU, wouldn’t they have blocked any attempts to renationalise anything? I thought that is one of their rules. I recall Mick Lynch stating in an interview before the 2019 GE that Labours manifesto section around renationalising things like the railways was pretty much banned under EU regulations. The UK railway infrastructure was renationalised under Network Rail in 2002 (following the disaster of the Tories' Railtrack*)when we were very much in the EU. Following the failed franchise on the East Coast mainline, services were renationalised in 2009 and ran until 2015 in public ownership. We were in the EU throughout this period. *Railtrack - the private company who got a taxpayer bailout from the govt following the Hatfield rail crash and used about £130 million of it to pay a dividend to shareholders.
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Post by suck_the_mop. on Oct 10, 2023 20:31:59 GMT
Yeah nationalisation coming home from school first job get all the candles lit for when the power went off for 4 hours? 3 or 4 days a week!!! Also if we do renationalise who is going to pay? Most companies are foreign owned now they are not going turn round and say here you go here is your company back. Renationalising the passenger railway can be done at low cost, just wait for the operators' franchises to run out. I could list any number of failings of the privatised railway system. No doubt it's failed the question is would it be any better after remembering past experiences.
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