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Post by Mystic Stokie on Oct 7, 2023 10:28:16 GMT
I agree with with Keegan and I have heard female fans who bemoan women pundits and commentators. In saying that most male commentators and pundits want me to switch over and watch it in Spanish.
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Post by atillathehoneybee on Oct 7, 2023 10:43:41 GMT
He's not right or wrong it's his opinion. You could extend what he's saying to ex-male footballers as well though I guess. "What does Steve Bruce know about playing international football he was never capped?" "What does George Best know about playing in a World Cup tournament?" etc etc. Not sure, did Steve Bruce ever commentate on an England International on telly. Likewise with Best and World Cups. I don’t know, just a question I heard that argument on R5, did John Motson ever play footy, no, but they know the game inside out and know it is a totally different game to ladies footy in terms of physicality and pace, and therefore tactics. It's like expecting a squash player to be an expert in tennis, both use a ball and racquet but there the similarities end. |
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Post by bloodtypered on Oct 7, 2023 11:44:54 GMT
Spot on
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Oct 7, 2023 13:20:09 GMT
Seriously, is this really worth 5 pages (to date), no doubt more..... Sigh!!! 🙄 It's the football story of our time isn't it? The growth of the women's game and the inevitable next question, when and how does it exist alongside the mens game? Must be worth a mid-size thread?! It's a nothing story, just someone's opinion being blown out of all proportion by today's sad offended society!!! |
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Oct 7, 2023 13:22:24 GMT
Seriously, is this really worth 5 pages (to date), no doubt more..... Sigh!!! 🙄 He says as he adds to the page count 😅 Oh yeah.......... 🙄 |
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Post by biddulphchav on Oct 7, 2023 13:24:32 GMT
What I find most amusing about this type of thing is that we rightly teach tolerance of others as a general ethos. In the last 20-30 years we’ve come a long way in lots of areas by teaching kids and adults to be tolerant of others, in spite of their differences. But at the same time, in the last few years, when somebody expresses an opinion that’s at odds with whatever it may be, they are lambasted and ridiculed. The people that do that are essentially saying ‘we must tolerate everyone, but only if they agree with us’. It’s absolutely ridiculous. Let the man have his opinion and let him express it, and accept it.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 7, 2023 13:44:58 GMT
What I find most amusing about this type of thing is that we rightly teach tolerance of others as a general ethos. In the last 20-30 years we’ve come a long way in lots of areas by teaching kids and adults to be tolerant of others, in spite of their differences. But at the same time, in the last few years, when somebody expresses an opinion that’s at odds with whatever it may be, they are lambasted and ridiculed. The people that do that are essentially saying ‘we must tolerate everyone, but only if they agree with us’. It’s absolutely ridiculous. Let the man have his opinion and let him express it, and accept it. No one has said he can’t have his opinion, he has expressed it and this a football forum to discuss football….. |
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Post by george2again on Oct 7, 2023 13:52:44 GMT
To some extent this is what happened to soccer Saturday on Sky. Woke brigade at best. Could Sky have a red button to watch le Tiss, Thompson, Merson, Nicholas etc having a laugh with some Chemistry rather than the bland show it’s become. Think the red button, would get the ratings my self!
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Post by Goonie on Oct 7, 2023 14:14:19 GMT
I think we should be totally honest as to why female presenters are on men's football and that is purely down to how attractive they are. This is what motivates the media
The Spanish and Italian TV stations have been doing it since the 80s
TV companies get to do it now to be 'fair' and inclusive but that isn't their motivation, never has been or will be. Ratings is the game and you will rarely get a highly knowledgeable female who also is sexually unappealing to their demographic: the British version of Homer Simpson
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Post by biddulphchav on Oct 7, 2023 14:52:04 GMT
What I find most amusing about this type of thing is that we rightly teach tolerance of others as a general ethos. In the last 20-30 years we’ve come a long way in lots of areas by teaching kids and adults to be tolerant of others, in spite of their differences. But at the same time, in the last few years, when somebody expresses an opinion that’s at odds with whatever it may be, they are lambasted and ridiculed. The people that do that are essentially saying ‘we must tolerate everyone, but only if they agree with us’. It’s absolutely ridiculous. Let the man have his opinion and let him express it, and accept it. No one has said he can’t have his opinion, he has expressed it and this a football forum to discuss football….. I was talking about the fact he’s had a bit of a caning on twitter for his comments….. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2023 14:54:41 GMT
No one has said he can’t have his opinion, he has expressed it and this a football forum to discuss football….. I was talking about the fact he’s had a bit of a caning on twitter for his comments….. I accept that he has an opinion. I also accept that I have a right to challenge it because I believe that it’s wrong. |
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Post by biddulphchav on Oct 7, 2023 15:24:12 GMT
I was talking about the fact he’s had a bit of a caning on twitter for his comments….. I accept that he has an opinion. I also accept that I have a right to challenge it because I believe that it’s wrong. Yeah you can challenge it without deriding him, calling him names, labelling him / accusing him of views you think he may hold because of that opinion without actually knowing if that’s true. That’s the point I’m making. |
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Post by thicknthin on Oct 7, 2023 16:04:57 GMT
Quoted me on the wrong comment 🤷♂️
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Post by thicknthin on Oct 7, 2023 16:06:43 GMT
I think we should be totally honest as to why female presenters are on men's football and that is purely down to how attractive they are. This is what motivates the media The Spanish and Italian TV stations have been doing it since the 80s TV companies get to do it now to be 'fair' and inclusive but that isn't their motivation, never has been or will be. Ratings is the game and you will rarely get a highly knowledgeable female who also is sexually unappealing to their demographic: the British version of Homer Simpson Gill Scott and Leanne Whatever her name is like this! |
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Post by mtrstudent on Oct 7, 2023 16:11:27 GMT
Kevin Keegan says he doesn't like 'lady footballers' talking about England men's team"I don't like to listen to ladies talking about the England men's team at the match because I don't think it's the same experience. "I have a problem with that. "The presenters we have now, some of the girls are so good, they are better than the guys. It's a great time for the ladies. "But if I see an England lady footballer saying about England against Scotland at Wembley and she's saying, 'If I would have been in that position I would have done this,' I don't think it's quite the same. I don't think it crosses over that much." Is he right? I think he's mostly wrong. A woman saying "I would have done this" might literally be wrong because she might not be fast, strong or tall enough. But if that's your rule then can Harry Kane comment about pacier strikers? Or Shearer talk about defensive play? Can a featherweight boxer give interesting thoughts about other classes? IMO he's right that it's harder to understand a sport when you've not done it, and some pundits think they know more than they actually do though. As others have said it's all opinions anyway. |
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Post by J-Roar on Oct 7, 2023 16:25:05 GMT
Didn't anyone see Kevin Keegan and the female pundits in the 90s?
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Post by swampySCFC on Oct 8, 2023 11:11:03 GMT
You can’t say or do anything these days. If that’s his opinion I tend to respect it and I tend to agree with him.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2023 11:18:46 GMT
You can’t say or do anything these days. If that’s his opinion I tend to respect it and I tend to agree with him. It's ridiculous and the fact you can't even call it man of the match anymore it has to be player of the match really irritates me. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2023 13:30:39 GMT
I was talking about the fact he’s had a bit of a caning on twitter for his comments….. I accept that he has an opinion. I also accept that I have a right to challenge it because I believe that it’s wrong. You have a right to say that you don't share his opinion and see things differently. Nobody on twitter or elsewhere, has the right to say he is not entitled to have that opinion and the fact he has proves that he is sexist / prejudiced or whatever. That's just baseless abuse of somebody for seeing things in a different light to yourself. If he has a different opinion to you that does not mean in anyway that he is prejudiced/ sexist or anything else. It just means, he has a different opinion to you. |
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Post by spitthedog on Oct 8, 2023 14:37:05 GMT
You can’t say or do anything these days. If that’s his opinion I tend to respect it and I tend to agree with him. But he has said it! Nobody stopped him did they? If you say something on a public platform then don’t be surprised if someone questions it either. That’s the idea of it surely? As for a caning on twitter, well welcome to Twitter, or x whatever where everyone with an opinion gets caned. |
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Post by thicknthin on Oct 8, 2023 16:52:11 GMT
He didn’t say they shouldn’t be allowed, he said he didn’t like it, not sexist at all.just his opinion
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Post by ursemboys on Oct 8, 2023 18:07:10 GMT
I think we should be totally honest as to why female presenters are on men's football and that is purely down to how attractive they are. This is what motivates the media The Spanish and Italian TV stations have been doing it since the 80s TV companies get to do it now to be 'fair' and inclusive but that isn't their motivation, never has been or will be. Ratings is the game and you will rarely get a highly knowledgeable female who also is sexually unappealing to their demographic: the British version of Homer Simpson well I would never put Jill Scott up there with how attractive she is, she definitely makes me turn over. |
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