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Post by willieeetmiout on Oct 5, 2023 18:30:03 GMT
I want to eat my own areshole at many pundits now.
That absolute fucking abomination last night where Carragher, Richards and Burn dance made me die inside a little.
And the Greggs thing was fucking painful too.
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Oct 5, 2023 18:33:10 GMT
Pretty much rules us all out of having an opinion doesn't it Kev? Football punditry in general is dog shit regardless of gender. Alan Shearer gets paid thousands of licence fee payers money to point out that Johnny Tugshirt lost his marker at a corner or that Micky Springheels should have curved his run to stay onside. We can see that Alan. Very good. You've earned your wedge this week son. Worse, Gary Lineker gets paid millions to prompt people like Alan to spout this super insightful shite that One Eyed Boozy Barry from down The Dog and Duck could have pointed out for free. Football needs to learn from Cricket where the segments between the actual sporting action are infinitely more interesting. Or look at some of the YouTube channels knocking about. I'd sooner listen to hours of something like Under the Cosh than listen to Alan and Gary's beige, inoffensive and witless nonsense. Women on the gantry is not the issue. It's the bland as fuck punditry that is served up week after week after mind numbing week. Totally agree. The smugness of the dull brothers during their Saturday night love in is the major reason I don't bother with motd now.. plenty other options to catchup on the Premier league than those 2 dullards |
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Post by spitthedog on Oct 5, 2023 18:41:38 GMT
If these old pros were saying anything remotely interesting or insightful then I would say he might have a point.
The fact is, they are not. They don't do any basic research, and just think that they can turn up and wing it, cause they were fan's favourites once upon a time.
I thought Alex Scott was potentially a good influence when she came in a few years back because it was obvious she was the only one who did any preparation for the job she was being paid to do.
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Post by xchpotter on Oct 5, 2023 18:43:51 GMT
Have to agree with him. I just want to be in a bloke environment, just for a few minutes, yet I can’t be. If I wanted to listen and watch female punditry I could do so. If I wanted to watch male punditry, no guarantees any more. Sorry if it offends or I’m some old dinosaur, but just want my own space that I like and I’m comfortable with.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 5, 2023 18:49:34 GMT
You get pundits like Robbie Savage regularly commentating on Champions League games for example, what would he know about the demands of that particular tournament? I think the ex-pros would like you to believe that you have to have all this expert knowhow when it comes to commentating and analysing the game. But whilst I accept that someone who has not been in a dressing room at that level can't claim to have first hand insight, when it comes to tactics/technique etc anyone can bring insight into that side of the game. Some of these old boys would love it to be a closed shop and I don't think it needs to be................. Sure, but you didn’t address the main point of my post. How come it’s always been a closed shop to 99% of former male pros; and will likely continue to be so even though it’s been opened up for a selected group? I’m sure there were many guys who played their careers in the conference/league two, didn’t earn a great deal of money, and would’ve loved the opportunity to become sky sports pundits on top level football, and to earn more than they earned from playing. It’s always been a given that those guys don’t get those opportunities. Yeah I agree and I have no doubt some would offer more insight than a few of the current crop…… |
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Post by J-Roar on Oct 5, 2023 18:51:34 GMT
Kevin Keegan says he doesn't like 'lady footballers' talking about England men's team"I don't like to listen to ladies talking about the England men's team at the match because I don't think it's the same experience. "I have a problem with that. "The presenters we have now, some of the girls are so good, they are better than the guys. It's a great time for the ladies. "But if I see an England lady footballer saying about England against Scotland at Wembley and she's saying, 'If I would have been in that position I would have done this,' I don't think it's quite the same. I don't think it crosses over that much." Is he right? No he's not right. One of best pundits is Emma Hayes who has never even played football. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 5, 2023 18:53:33 GMT
Former “Liverpool goalkeeper” Rachel Brown Finnis doing the pundit job on Liverpool game tonight in the Europa league. To be fair the other one is Michael Owen. Punditry has plunged new depths!
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 5, 2023 18:54:07 GMT
Kevin Keegan says he doesn't like 'lady footballers' talking about England men's team"I don't like to listen to ladies talking about the England men's team at the match because I don't think it's the same experience. "I have a problem with that. "The presenters we have now, some of the girls are so good, they are better than the guys. It's a great time for the ladies. "But if I see an England lady footballer saying about England against Scotland at Wembley and she's saying, 'If I would have been in that position I would have done this,' I don't think it's quite the same. I don't think it crosses over that much." Is he right? No he's not right. One of best pundits is Emma Hayes who has never even played football. You’re correct on the last bit |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 5, 2023 18:55:04 GMT
If these old pros were saying anything remotely interesting or insightful then I would say he might have a point. The fact is, they are not. They don't do any basic research, and just think that they can turn up and wing it, cause they were fan's favourites once upon a time. I thought Alex Scott was potentially a good influence when she came in a few years back because it was obvious she was the only one who did any preparation for the job she was being paid to do. Alex Scott🙄🤣are you serious with that statement about her🤔She’s absolutely useless and the sooner she disappears off our TV the better for all concerned |
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Post by J-Roar on Oct 5, 2023 18:56:28 GMT
He's not right or wrong it's his opinion. You could extend what he's saying to ex-male footballers as well though I guess. "What does Steve Bruce know about playing international football he was never capped?" "What does George Best know about playing in a World Cup tournament?" etc etc. Without looking it up, it seems to me that they have always picked players who played at the top level as pundits for the top level. I don’t remember any former male pros who peaked in the lower leagues becoming pundits on top level football. It’s always seemed to be former players with a slew of major honours. Or at a push, guys who played for smaller clubs but at the top level. Correct me if I’m wrong but I’ve never seen a former pro with a more modest career doing punditry on a super Sunday/champions league game. At least not for the big tv companies. It’s only recently where female pundits who played at high levels in the women’s game have been selected for punditry on the high levels of the men’s game. Keenan will get a load of shit of course for daring to have a line of thought that doesn’t unequivocally support these drastic societal changes (of course) but the question should be; if women are now deemed qualified to do punditry for top level men’s football, why has that always been a closed shop for the majority of former male pros? The double-standards of these politically motivated decisions is a huge reason why they are rightfully derided. Lawrie Mcmenamy and Jose Mourhino both pundits who never played at a high level. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 5, 2023 18:59:21 GMT
Without looking it up, it seems to me that they have always picked players who played at the top level as pundits for the top level. I don’t remember any former male pros who peaked in the lower leagues becoming pundits on top level football. It’s always seemed to be former players with a slew of major honours. Or at a push, guys who played for smaller clubs but at the top level. Correct me if I’m wrong but I’ve never seen a former pro with a more modest career doing punditry on a super Sunday/champions league game. At least not for the big tv companies. It’s only recently where female pundits who played at high levels in the women’s game have been selected for punditry on the high levels of the men’s game. Keenan will get a load of shit of course for daring to have a line of thought that doesn’t unequivocally support these drastic societal changes (of course) but the question should be; if women are now deemed qualified to do punditry for top level men’s football, why has that always been a closed shop for the majority of former male pros? The double-standards of these politically motivated decisions is a huge reason why they are rightfully derided. Lawrie Mcmenamy and Jose Mourhino both pundits who never played at a high level. What a crap comparison. They’ve both managed some of the best footballers on the planet |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 5, 2023 19:08:42 GMT
If these old pros were saying anything remotely interesting or insightful then I would say he might have a point. The fact is, they are not. They don't do any basic research, and just think that they can turn up and wing it, cause they were fan's favourites once upon a time. I thought Alex Scott was potentially a good influence when she came in a few years back because it was obvious she was the only one who did any preparation for the job she was being paid to do. Alex Scott🙄🤣are you serious with that statement about her🤔She’s absolutely useless and the sooner she disappears off our TV the better for all concerned What’s bad about her mate? What makes her worse than, say, Danny Murphy? |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 5, 2023 19:09:36 GMT
Lawrie Mcmenamy and Jose Mourhino both pundits who never played at a high level. What a crap comparison. They’ve both managed some of the best footballers on the planet Despite them not playing at a high level. Almost like playing at a high level is neither here nor there when it comes to one’s opinion about the game. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 5, 2023 19:16:12 GMT
Alex Scott🙄🤣are you serious with that statement about her🤔She’s absolutely useless and the sooner she disappears off our TV the better for all concerned What’s bad about her mate? What makes her worse than, say, Danny Murphy? Rob I’ve had this conversation with you on many occasions and I’m not going over old ground again but let’s just say I think she struggles to speak properly for one and I think her knowledge is also dreadful.Let’s just say she’s been very lucky in my opinion to land herself where she has been(right time in society) That’s not to say I’m not sick to death of Lineker,Shearer,Richards etc who have tried to turn everything into a comedy show |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2023 19:16:37 GMT
Alan Partridge is the gold standard in sports commentary .
Bring back Alan .
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 5, 2023 19:19:02 GMT
What’s bad about her mate? What makes her worse than, say, Danny Murphy? Rob I’ve had this conversation with you on many occasions and I’m not going over old ground again but let’s just say I think she struggles to speak properly for one and I think her knowledge is also dreadful.Let’s just say she’s been very lucky in my opinion to land herself where she has been(right time in society) That’s not to say I’m not sick to death of Lineker,Shearer,Richards etc who have tried to turn everything into a comedy show It just seems weird to single her out, I’d say she’s one of the more knowledgeable pundits of those employed by the BBC/Sky. She’s a million times better than the likes of Savage, Murphy, Jenas imo. The more the old boys network is diluted the better for me. Keegan himself seems like a nice bloke by all accounts but he was an absolute joke of a pundit. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 5, 2023 19:19:30 GMT
What a crap comparison. They’ve both managed some of the best footballers on the planet Despite them not playing at a high level. Almost like playing at a high level is neither here nor there when it comes to one’s opinion about the game. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, you and I included. But then we don’t get paid a load of money to talk on the telly about something we’ve never experienced live on national TV. It’s like me going on the Apprentice, yeh I’ve done project management but I’m not going to pretend I know what the fuck Alan Sugar is going on about or at leat have the expert knowledge of a proven entrepreneur |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2023 19:24:09 GMT
Lawrie Mcmenamy and Jose Mourhino both pundits who never played at a high level. What a crap comparison. They’ve both managed some of the best footballers on the planet Ye bad comparison. Neither had a playing career of note, but both ended up at the top level via the coaching/manager route. In mourinho’s case, winning the biggest prize in club football twice with relatively limited resources. If Dean Crowe rocks up on Super Sunday next week then maybe I’ll eat my words. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 5, 2023 19:24:38 GMT
Rob I’ve had this conversation with you on many occasions and I’m not going over old ground again but let’s just say I think she struggles to speak properly for one and I think her knowledge is also dreadful.Let’s just say she’s been very lucky in my opinion to land herself where she has been(right time in society) That’s not to say I’m not sick to death of Lineker,Shearer,Richards etc who have tried to turn everything into a comedy show It just seems weird to single her out, I’d say she’s one of the more knowledgeable pundits of those employed by the BBC/Sky. She’s a million times better than the likes of Savage, Murphy, Jenas imo. The more the old boys network is diluted the better for me. Keegan himself seems like a nice bloke by all accounts but he was an absolute joke of a pundit. Its not weird to me mate at all and there’s a few more I could throw in there if you like?Sweetman Kirk for starters, People like Emma Hayes I can listen to,as for presenters Rasmin Chowdrey is excellent,Laura Woods is excellent and those 3 all knowledgable which goes a long way for me. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2023 19:24:44 GMT
Kevin Keegan says he doesn't like 'lady footballers' talking about England men's team"I don't like to listen to ladies talking about the England men's team at the match because I don't think it's the same experience. "I have a problem with that. "The presenters we have now, some of the girls are so good, they are better than the guys. It's a great time for the ladies. "But if I see an England lady footballer saying about England against Scotland at Wembley and she's saying, 'If I would have been in that position I would have done this,' I don't think it's quite the same. I don't think it crosses over that much." Is he right? It's his opinion so who gives a fuck if it's "right" or not. Too many people these days get opinion mixed up with fact. In the grand scheme of things, who really cares. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 5, 2023 19:24:48 GMT
Despite them not playing at a high level. Almost like playing at a high level is neither here nor there when it comes to one’s opinion about the game. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, you and I included. But then we don’t get paid a load of money to talk on the telly about something we’ve never experienced live on national TV. It’s like me going on the Apprentice, yeh I’ve done project management but I’m not going to pretend I know what the fuck Alan Sugar is going on about or at leat have the expert knowledge of a proven entrepreneur So why is it fine for Mourinho to be a manager having never played? That’s a much tougher gig than being a rentagob on the box? That men like Saachi, Mourinho, Sarri etc can succeed at the top level in management shows you don’t need to have played the game to be able to think and talk intelligently about it. As Saachi said, “you don’t have to have been a horse to be a jockey”. Loads of pundits who’ve played the game at a high level know absolutely shit all about it, you only have to look at the TalkSport loser parade to see that. The likes of Jenas, Murphy on the BBC or Richards don’t offer any insight whatsoever. Lawrenson didn’t. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 5, 2023 19:26:42 GMT
Everyone is entitled to an opinion, you and I included. But then we don’t get paid a load of money to talk on the telly about something we’ve never experienced live on national TV. It’s like me going on the Apprentice, yeh I’ve done project management but I’m not going to pretend I know what the fuck Alan Sugar is going on about or at leat have the expert knowledge of a proven entrepreneur So why is it fine for Mourinho to be a manager having never played? That’s a much tougher gig than being a rentagob on the box? That men like Saachi, Mourinho, Sarri etc can succeed at the top level in management shows you don’t need to have played the game to be able to think and talk intelligently about it. As Saachi said, “you don’t have to have been a horse to be a jockey”. Loads of pundits who’ve played the game at a high level know absolutely shit all about it, you only have to look at the TalkSport loser parade to see that. The likes of Jenas, Murphy on the BBC or Richards don’t offer any insight whatsoever. Lawrenson didn’t. Women are qualified to talk about women’s football. It’s as simple as that |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 5, 2023 19:27:00 GMT
It just seems weird to single her out, I’d say she’s one of the more knowledgeable pundits of those employed by the BBC/Sky. She’s a million times better than the likes of Savage, Murphy, Jenas imo. The more the old boys network is diluted the better for me. Keegan himself seems like a nice bloke by all accounts but he was an absolute joke of a pundit. Its not weird to me mate at all and there’s a few more I could throw in there if you like?Sweetman Kirk for starters, People like Emma Hayes I can listen to,as for presenters Rasmin Chowdrey is excellent,Laura Woods is excellent and those 3 all knowledgable which goes a long way for me. It’s just never occurred to me that she’s unknowledgeable mate, especially in the sea of dross and thickos that populate that field. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 5, 2023 19:28:16 GMT
Its not weird to me mate at all and there’s a few more I could throw in there if you like?Sweetman Kirk for starters, People like Emma Hayes I can listen to,as for presenters Rasmin Chowdrey is excellent,Laura Woods is excellent and those 3 all knowledgable which goes a long way for me. It’s just never occurred to me that she’s unknowledgeable mate, especially in the sea of dross and thickos that populate that field. I’d love to test her football knowledge mate |
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Post by thornestein on Oct 5, 2023 19:32:11 GMT
I was cringing the other night when Courtney Sweetman Kirk one of the guest pundits was saying “when I played lone striker I used to give my marker a tough time”.With respect Courtney you gave some nondescript player who nobody had ever heard a tough time. I have no issue with Women’s football at all now but like Keegan I do have an issue on some female players who’s no one has ever heard of giving their opinion on games at elite level.It’s still such a different standard for me and for me it’s yet another box ticking exercise by the PC media outlets Sorry Ange😊🤣 Similarly no one listens to your opinion on elite football😉 i reckon Bayern does 🤔🤣🤣 |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 5, 2023 19:32:34 GMT
So why is it fine for Mourinho to be a manager having never played? That’s a much tougher gig than being a rentagob on the box? That men like Saachi, Mourinho, Sarri etc can succeed at the top level in management shows you don’t need to have played the game to be able to think and talk intelligently about it. As Saachi said, “you don’t have to have been a horse to be a jockey”. Loads of pundits who’ve played the game at a high level know absolutely shit all about it, you only have to look at the TalkSport loser parade to see that. The likes of Jenas, Murphy on the BBC or Richards don’t offer any insight whatsoever. Lawrenson didn’t. Women are qualified to talk about women’s football. It’s as simple as that Anyone erudite with a strong knowledge of the game, of any gender, should be able to be a pundit. I’d rather hear from Jonathan Wilson than Ray Parlour. Emma Hayes talks more sense about football and has more interesting things to say than Danny Murphy’s uttered in his entire punditry career. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 5, 2023 19:34:13 GMT
It’s just never occurred to me that she’s unknowledgeable mate, especially in the sea of dross and thickos that populate that field. I’d love to test her football knowledge mate Lots of men do when a woman says she likes football mate. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 5, 2023 19:35:26 GMT
Women are qualified to talk about women’s football. It’s as simple as that Anyone erudite with a strong knowledge of the game, of any gender, should be able to be a pundit. I’d rather here from Jonathan Wilson than Ray Parlour. Emma Hayes talks more sense about football and has more interesting things to say than Danny Murphy’s uttered in his entire punditry career. About football in general perhaps. But Keegan is talking about women commenting on elite international men’s football, which however you dress it up Hayes or any other female commentator is not qualified to talk about |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 5, 2023 19:36:11 GMT
I’d love to test her football knowledge mate Lots of men do when a woman says she likes football mate. In generations past I’d agree but not nowadays |
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Post by smallthorner on Oct 5, 2023 19:37:11 GMT
Saint and Greavesie
Brian Clough
Jimmy Hill
Proper pundits
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