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Post by Clayton Wood on Oct 5, 2023 16:48:41 GMT
Kevin Keegan says he doesn't like 'lady footballers' talking about England men's team"I don't like to listen to ladies talking about the England men's team at the match because I don't think it's the same experience. "I have a problem with that. "The presenters we have now, some of the girls are so good, they are better than the guys. It's a great time for the ladies. "But if I see an England lady footballer saying about England against Scotland at Wembley and she's saying, 'If I would have been in that position I would have done this,' I don't think it's quite the same. I don't think it crosses over that much." Is he right?
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Post by thornestein on Oct 5, 2023 16:50:15 GMT
Kevin Keegan says he doesn't like 'lady footballers' talking about England men's team"I don't like to listen to ladies talking about the England men's team at the match because I don't think it's the same experience. "I have a problem with that. "The presenters we have now, some of the girls are so good, they are better than the guys. It's a great time for the ladies. "But if I see an England lady footballer saying about England against Scotland at Wembley and she's saying, 'If I would have been in that position I would have done this,' I don't think it's quite the same. I don't think it crosses over that much." Is he right? some of them are awful , just employ the best person for the job instead of just hitting diversity targets |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 5, 2023 16:54:26 GMT
Kevin Keegan says he doesn't like 'lady footballers' talking about England men's team"I don't like to listen to ladies talking about the England men's team at the match because I don't think it's the same experience. "I have a problem with that. "The presenters we have now, some of the girls are so good, they are better than the guys. It's a great time for the ladies. "But if I see an England lady footballer saying about England against Scotland at Wembley and she's saying, 'If I would have been in that position I would have done this,' I don't think it's quite the same. I don't think it crosses over that much." Is he right? He’s spot on but he’ll get pelters. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 5, 2023 16:54:47 GMT
He's not right or wrong it's his opinion.
You could extend what he's saying to ex-male footballers as well though I guess.
"What does Steve Bruce know about playing international football he was never capped?"
"What does George Best know about playing in a World Cup tournament?"
etc etc.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 5, 2023 16:58:02 GMT
He's not right or wrong it's his opinion. You could extend what he's saying to ex-male footballers as well though I guess. "What does Steve Bruce know about playing international football he was never capped?" "What does George Best know about playing in a World Cup tournament?" etc etc. Not sure, did Steve Bruce ever commentate on an England International on telly. Likewise with Best and World Cups. I don’t know, just a question |
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Post by Veritas on Oct 5, 2023 17:01:10 GMT
Kevin Keegan says he doesn't like 'lady footballers' talking about England men's team"I don't like to listen to ladies talking about the England men's team at the match because I don't think it's the same experience. "I have a problem with that. "The presenters we have now, some of the girls are so good, they are better than the guys. It's a great time for the ladies. "But if I see an England lady footballer saying about England against Scotland at Wembley and she's saying, 'If I would have been in that position I would have done this,' I don't think it's quite the same. I don't think it crosses over that much." Is he right? some of them are awful , just employ the best person for the job instead of just hitting diversity targets Quite right some of the women are awful as are some of the men while some of the women are fine as are some of the men. How surprising! |
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Post by satoshi on Oct 5, 2023 17:04:31 GMT
Where’s the bloke?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 5, 2023 17:07:59 GMT
some of them are awful , just employ the best person for the job instead of just hitting diversity targets Quite right some of the women are awful as are some of the men while some of the women are fine as are some of the men. How surprising! I think it's good to have a cross section. Does every player in the studio/commentary box have had to experienced football at the very top level to give an opinion? I think sometimes if you have someone like Roy Keane for example he doesn't offer much by way of tactical analysis but it's great to get into the mind of a top professional in a dressing room full of likeminded players, but then stick Emma Hayes next to him who's never even played professional women's football before but has a great gift for breaking down the tactics of the game in a way that is pretty easy to understand and you have most bases covered..... |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 5, 2023 17:20:08 GMT
I was cringing the other night when Courtney Sweetman Kirk one of the guest pundits was saying “when I played lone striker I used to give my marker a tough time”.With respect Courtney you gave some nondescript player who nobody had ever heard a tough time.
I have no issue with Women’s football at all now but like Keegan I do have an issue on some female players who’s no one has ever heard of giving their opinion on games at elite level.It’s still such a different standard for me and for me it’s yet another box ticking exercise by the PC media outlets
Sorry Ange😊🤣
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Post by stokieinlondon on Oct 5, 2023 17:20:16 GMT
Someone I know once remarked to me:
‘Get her out of the gantry and back to the pantry’
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Oct 5, 2023 17:22:25 GMT
I'm all for equality, but I'm also for the best person for the job....is Clinton morrison really the best for sky saturday football show, is the Fara Williams really the best for commentary at all..
And why during the women's world Cup was only 1 man [ the manager of arsenal women] invited to be part of the commentary or studio team..
Equality goes both ways..
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 5, 2023 17:25:00 GMT
Couldn't care less as long as long as they're good.
Female commentators though, I love them but millions wouldn't if they were honest, they would say it doesn't sound right haha
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2023 17:25:15 GMT
He's not right or wrong it's his opinion. You could extend what he's saying to ex-male footballers as well though I guess. "What does Steve Bruce know about playing international football he was never capped?" "What does George Best know about playing in a World Cup tournament?" etc etc. Without looking it up, it seems to me that they have always picked players who played at the top level as pundits for the top level. I don’t remember any former male pros who peaked in the lower leagues becoming pundits on top level football. It’s always seemed to be former players with a slew of major honours. Or at a push, guys who played for smaller clubs but at the top level. Correct me if I’m wrong but I’ve never seen a former pro with a more modest career doing punditry on a super Sunday/champions league game. At least not for the big tv companies. It’s only recently where female pundits who played at high levels in the women’s game have been selected for punditry on the high levels of the men’s game. Keenan will get a load of shit of course for daring to have a line of thought that doesn’t unequivocally support these drastic societal changes (of course) but the question should be; if women are now deemed qualified to do punditry for top level men’s football, why has that always been a closed shop for the majority of former male pros? The double-standards of these politically motivated decisions is a huge reason why they are rightfully derided. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 5, 2023 17:25:52 GMT
I was cringing the other night when Courtney Sweetman Kirk one of the guest pundits was saying “when I played lone striker I used to give my marker a tough time”.With respect Courtney you gave some nondescript player who nobody had ever heard a tough time. I have no issue with Women’s football at all now but like Keegan I do have an issue on some female players who’s no one has ever heard of giving their opinion on games at elite level.It’s still such a different standard for me and for me it’s yet another box ticking exercise by the PC media outlets Sorry Ange😊🤣 Similarly no one listens to your opinion on elite football😉 |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 5, 2023 17:29:50 GMT
He's not right or wrong it's his opinion. You could extend what he's saying to ex-male footballers as well though I guess. "What does Steve Bruce know about playing international football he was never capped?" "What does George Best know about playing in a World Cup tournament?" etc etc. Without looking it up, it seems to me that they have always picked players who played at the top level as pundits for the top level. I don’t remember any former male pros who peaked in the lower leagues becoming pundits on top level football. It’s always seemed to be former players with a slew of major honours. Or at a push, guys who played for smaller clubs but at the top level. Correct me if I’m wrong but I’ve never seen a former pro with a more modest career doing punditry on a super Sunday/champions league game. At least not for the big tv companies. It’s only recently where female pundits who played at high levels in the women’s game have been selected for punditry on the high levels of the men’s game. Keenan will get a load of shit of course for daring to have a line of thought that doesn’t unequivocally support these drastic societal changes (of course) but the question should be; if women are now deemed qualified to do punditry for top level men’s football, why has that always been a closed shop for the majority of former male pros? The double-standards of these politically motivated decisions is a huge reason why they are rightfully derided. I have. Andy fucking Townsend😉 |
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Oct 5, 2023 17:31:10 GMT
Nothing to do with gender.
There’s loads of blokes who talk out of their arse and have little experience of elite footy. It’s down to whether you like their point of view or not, male or female.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2023 17:31:12 GMT
It’s a game of football, not brain surgery. Should Serena never comment on a game of men’s tennis because she’d have been destroyed by the majority of them.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 5, 2023 17:33:01 GMT
He's not right or wrong it's his opinion. You could extend what he's saying to ex-male footballers as well though I guess. "What does Steve Bruce know about playing international football he was never capped?" "What does George Best know about playing in a World Cup tournament?" etc etc. Without looking it up, it seems to me that they have always picked players who played at the top level as pundits for the top level. I don’t remember any former male pros who peaked in the lower leagues becoming pundits on top level football. It’s always seemed to be former players with a slew of major honours. Or at a push, guys who played for smaller clubs but at the top level. Correct me if I’m wrong but I’ve never seen a former pro with a more modest career doing punditry on a super Sunday/champions league game. At least not for the big tv companies. It’s only recently where female pundits who played at high levels in the women’s game have been selected for punditry on the high levels of the men’s game. Keenan will get a load of shit of course for daring to have a line of thought that doesn’t unequivocally support these drastic societal changes (of course) but the question should be; if women are now deemed qualified to do punditry for top level men’s football, why has that always been a closed shop for the majority of former male pros? The double-standards of these politically motivated decisions is a huge reason why they are rightfully derided. You get pundits like Robbie Savage regularly commentating on Champions League games for example, what would he know about the demands of that particular tournament? I think the ex-pros would like you to believe that you have to have all this expert knowhow when it comes to commentating and analysing the game. But whilst I accept that someone who has not been in a dressing room at that level can't claim to have first hand insight, when it comes to tactics/technique etc anyone can bring insight into that side of the game. Some of these old boys would love it to be a closed shop and I don't think it needs to be................. |
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Post by spitthedog on Oct 5, 2023 17:34:19 GMT
Both men and women are allowed to attend Men's football games, so why not both be allowed to express their opinions on it?
Football punditry has been dominated by ex male players for decades and has been consistently garbage and full of cliches. I find it hard to see how a few women can make it any worse really.
I stopped watching that part of the football a long time back, I just found that it doesn't add anything to the game experience whatsoever and Keegan was one of the worst.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Oct 5, 2023 17:35:36 GMT
Kevin Keegan says he doesn't like 'lady footballers' talking about England men's team"I don't like to listen to ladies talking about the England men's team at the match because I don't think it's the same experience. "I have a problem with that. "The presenters we have now, some of the girls are so good, they are better than the guys. It's a great time for the ladies. "But if I see an England lady footballer saying about England against Scotland at Wembley and she's saying, 'If I would have been in that position I would have done this,' I don't think it's quite the same. I don't think it crosses over that much." Is he right? Damn right he's right....... That's him cancelled though!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2023 17:42:53 GMT
Without looking it up, it seems to me that they have always picked players who played at the top level as pundits for the top level. I don’t remember any former male pros who peaked in the lower leagues becoming pundits on top level football. It’s always seemed to be former players with a slew of major honours. Or at a push, guys who played for smaller clubs but at the top level. Correct me if I’m wrong but I’ve never seen a former pro with a more modest career doing punditry on a super Sunday/champions league game. At least not for the big tv companies. It’s only recently where female pundits who played at high levels in the women’s game have been selected for punditry on the high levels of the men’s game. Keenan will get a load of shit of course for daring to have a line of thought that doesn’t unequivocally support these drastic societal changes (of course) but the question should be; if women are now deemed qualified to do punditry for top level men’s football, why has that always been a closed shop for the majority of former male pros? The double-standards of these politically motivated decisions is a huge reason why they are rightfully derided. You get pundits like Robbie Savage regularly commentating on Champions League games for example, what would he know about the demands of that particular tournament? I think the ex-pros would like you to believe that you have to have all this expert knowhow when it comes to commentating and analysing the game. But whilst I accept that someone who has not been in a dressing room at that level can't claim to have first hand insight, when it comes to tactics/technique etc anyone can bring insight into that side of the game. Some of these old boys would love it to be a closed shop and I don't think it needs to be................. Sure, but you didn’t address the main point of my post. How come it’s always been a closed shop to 99% of former male pros; and will likely continue to be so even though it’s been opened up for a selected group? I’m sure there were many guys who played their careers in the conference/league two, didn’t earn a great deal of money, and would’ve loved the opportunity to become sky sports pundits on top level football, and to earn more than they earned from playing. It’s always been a given that those guys don’t get those opportunities. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 5, 2023 17:48:27 GMT
I was cringing the other night when Courtney Sweetman Kirk one of the guest pundits was saying “when I played lone striker I used to give my marker a tough time”.With respect Courtney you gave some nondescript player who nobody had ever heard a tough time. I have no issue with Women’s football at all now but like Keegan I do have an issue on some female players who’s no one has ever heard of giving their opinion on games at elite level.It’s still such a different standard for me and for me it’s yet another box ticking exercise by the PC media outlets Sorry Ange😊🤣 Similarly no one listens to your opinion on elite football😉 Now now😊 |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 5, 2023 17:49:54 GMT
Similarly no one listens to your opinion on elite football😉 Now now😊 Joking of course. I hate women. Another joke |
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Post by brinsleymaclagan on Oct 5, 2023 17:52:45 GMT
He’s talking bollocks, but why is anyone listening to him?
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Post by somersetstokie on Oct 5, 2023 17:54:04 GMT
This is a non story, and reflects a Keegan opinion. He even acknowledges that some female commentators are at least as good, or perhaps better than their male counterparts. But their presence in some games affects his experience of the match.
I agree with Kevin, and I generally dislike female commentators, especially on radio broadcasts, because as the tempo of the match increases the women tend to scream and screech as they get overexcited. So with me it's a noise prejudice thing.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 5, 2023 17:58:45 GMT
This is a non story, and reflects a Keegan opinion. He even acknowledges that some female commentators are at least as good, or perhaps better than their male counterparts. But their presence in some games affects his experience of the match. I agree with Kevin, and I generally dislike female commentators, especially on radio broadcasts, because as the tempo of the match increases the women tend to scream and screech as they get overexcited. So with me it's a noise prejudice thing. You’ve clearly never given pleasure to a woman, it’s what they do😉 |
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Post by st3mark on Oct 5, 2023 18:02:46 GMT
He’s talking bollocks, but why is anyone listening to him? Why wouldn't a football fan listen to him? He's one of the greatest English players in the history of the game, played for top european clubs, won trophies, has been England manager and managed some of the biggest clubs in England. His opinion is as valid as anyone else's. Refreshing change when someone has the balls to give an honest opinion for once. |
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Post by bigvern on Oct 5, 2023 18:07:13 GMT
He’s talking bollocks, but why is anyone listening to him? Why wouldn't a football fan listen to him? He's one of the greatest English players in the history of the game, played for top european clubs, won trophies, has been England manager and managed some of the biggest clubs in England. His opinion is as valid as anyone else's. Refreshing change when someone has the balls to give an honest opinion for once. 2 x ballon d'or winner too. |
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Post by dirtygary69 on Oct 5, 2023 18:23:22 GMT
As above, some of them are shit but then so are plenty of the male pundits/commentators. The problem is if he is suggesting only “top level” ex players should be able to hold an opinion then it doesn’t give anyone below that much of a chance, does it?
I’d rather listen to someone who didn’t play at the top level (or didn’t play at all) but knows what they’re talking about than dongs like Rio pissing Ferdinand who played at the top level but is a complete helmet.
As with everything it should all be about balance.
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Post by mrnovember on Oct 5, 2023 18:26:35 GMT
Pretty much rules us all out of having an opinion doesn't it Kev?
Football punditry in general is dog shit regardless of gender. Alan Shearer gets paid thousands of licence fee payers money to point out that Johnny Tugshirt lost his marker at a corner or that Micky Springheels should have curved his run to stay onside. We can see that Alan. Very good. You've earned your wedge this week son.
Worse, Gary Lineker gets paid millions to prompt people like Alan to spout this super insightful shite that One Eyed Boozy Barry from down The Dog and Duck could have pointed out for free.
Football needs to learn from Cricket where the segments between the actual sporting action are infinitely more interesting. Or look at some of the YouTube channels knocking about. I'd sooner listen to hours of something like Under the Cosh than listen to Alan and Gary's beige, inoffensive and witless nonsense. Women on the gantry is not the issue. It's the bland as fuck punditry that is served up week after week after mind numbing week.
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