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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 5, 2023 19:38:15 GMT
Anyone erudite with a strong knowledge of the game, of any gender, should be able to be a pundit. I’d rather here from Jonathan Wilson than Ray Parlour. Emma Hayes talks more sense about football and has more interesting things to say than Danny Murphy’s uttered in his entire punditry career. About football in general perhaps. But Keegan is talking about women commenting on elite international men’s football, which however you dress it up Hayes or any other female commentator is not qualified to talk about Being ‘qualified’ is bollocks. Who they are isn’t important. What they say is. Joe Cole is ‘qualified’ but he’d send a fucking glass eye to sleep. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 5, 2023 19:39:06 GMT
About football in general perhaps. But Keegan is talking about women commenting on elite international men’s football, which however you dress it up Hayes or any other female commentator is not qualified to talk about Being ‘qualified’ is bollocks. Who they are isn’t important. What they say is. Joe Cole is ‘qualified’ but he’d send a fucking glass eye to sleep. Game set and match mate. I concede defeat forthwith🤣 |
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Post by thisisouryear on Oct 5, 2023 19:41:24 GMT
Men's football isn't just for men, many of the fans of all clubs are women. Just because they are women doesn't mean they don't understand the game and they should rightfully be allowed to commentate on the men's game. It just comes across a bit sexist.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 5, 2023 19:44:43 GMT
Men's football isn't just for men, many of the fans of all clubs are women. Just because they are women doesn't mean they don't understand the game and they should rightfully be allowed to commentate on the men's game. It just comes across a bit sexist. People are getting far too carried away with anything other than what Kev actually said. He never said women can’t talk about football, nothing of the sort. But as usual people feel the need to be apologists on behalf of others who are welcome to fight their own battles should they decide to take umbrage |
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Post by PotterLog on Oct 5, 2023 19:45:52 GMT
The vast majority of journo's, analysts, correspondents, and assorted media people who comment on and write about football have never played the game in their lives, male or female. Plenty of them do it with great insight far better than your average ex-pro could. It's just a completely daft and pointless thing to say.
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Post by thisisouryear on Oct 5, 2023 20:03:54 GMT
Men's football isn't just for men, many of the fans of all clubs are women. Just because they are women doesn't mean they don't understand the game and they should rightfully be allowed to commentate on the men's game. It just comes across a bit sexist. People are getting far too carried away with anything other than what Kev actually said. He never said women can’t talk about football, nothing of the sort. But as usual people feel the need to be apologists on behalf of others who are welcome to fight their own battles should they decide to take umbrage If he didn't have a problem with them he would have kept his mouth shut. If the female commentators are making a point about a certain situation it doesn't matter if they try to explain it in a way people can understand by using themselves and explaining what they would do in the same situation. These players have trained at the top clubs with the best training you can get, they all know what to do in certain situations, whether they can execute it the same as men doesn't really matter. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 5, 2023 20:11:00 GMT
The vast majority of journo's, analysts, correspondents, and assorted media people who comment on and write about football have never played the game in their lives, male or female. Plenty of them do it with great insight far better than your average ex-pro could. It's just a completely daft and pointless thing to say. Let’s not forget this story was dragged up from some forum in Bristol, not on the telly. Social media Witch-hunt mentality. I’m sure Kev meant no offence, he’s that kind of guy. But guess what, some social media social justice warrior with nowt better to do with their lives has decided to tell the world he’s a sexist pig |
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Post by PotterLog on Oct 5, 2023 20:24:39 GMT
The vast majority of journo's, analysts, correspondents, and assorted media people who comment on and write about football have never played the game in their lives, male or female. Plenty of them do it with great insight far better than your average ex-pro could. It's just a completely daft and pointless thing to say. Let’s not forget this story was dragged up from some forum in Bristol, not on the telly. Social media Witch-hunt mentality. I’m sure Kev meant no offence, he’s that kind of guy. But guess what, some social media social justice warrior with nowt better to do with their lives has decided to tell the world he’s a sexist pig Right, I didn't know where it had come from. I mean I couldn't give two hoots about the fact that he said it, I just think it's a bit of a daft opinion. Plenty of us have them from time to time |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 5, 2023 20:29:52 GMT
Let’s not forget this story was dragged up from some forum in Bristol, not on the telly. Social media Witch-hunt mentality. I’m sure Kev meant no offence, he’s that kind of guy. But guess what, some social media social justice warrior with nowt better to do with their lives has decided to tell the world he’s a sexist pig Right, I didn't know where it had come from. I mean I couldn't give two hoots about the fact that he said it, I just think it's a bit of a daft opinion. Plenty of us have them from time to time Agreed mate, that’s why this has turned into such a circus. People not knowing the basic facts of the quote |
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 5, 2023 21:27:56 GMT
He's not right or wrong it's his opinion. You could extend what he's saying to ex-male footballers as well though I guess. "What does Steve Bruce know about playing international football he was never capped?" "What does George Best know about playing in a World Cup tournament?" etc etc. Not sure, did Steve Bruce ever commentate on an England International on telly. Likewise with Best and World Cups. I don’t know, just a question Best analysed for ITV in 1982. Northern Ireland mainly for obvious reasons. |
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Post by retrostoke on Oct 5, 2023 21:37:02 GMT
To be fair the worst pundit/commentator on telly at the moment is a bloke - Rob Earnshaw. FFS how is he making a living on sky
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Post by J-Roar on Oct 5, 2023 22:42:17 GMT
Lawrie Mcmenamy and Jose Mourhino both pundits who never played at a high level. What a crap comparison. They’ve both managed some of the best footballers on the planet Never played top flight football so it's not a comparison to anything. |
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Post by desman2 on Oct 6, 2023 1:55:08 GMT
The bottom line is, if he dosn't like it then he's every right to not like it. It's as simple as that.
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Post by santy on Oct 6, 2023 2:13:53 GMT
It's weird how commentators really lost relevance once games moved from radio to live broadcast yet there's more of them than ever now.
Ultimately you have to recognise it for what it is, an avenue to keep ex-pros employed and doing something meaningful with their lives to help combat the rather devastating post-football lives that were befalling so many of them. Professional football, rightly or wrongly, gives people practically no skills to survive outside of the sport. It's only going to amplify in the women's game as it will naturally follow where paths established by the men's side.
The future of it is likely creating ever increasing shows trying to capture what Soccer Saturday had where you could listen to a few people talking a bit of nonsense with some tangible points about football that replicates the feeling you used to be able to have sitting in a pub doing the same. It's ultimately just trying to create a parasocial relationship for the viewer while also hitting a ton of criteria they feel they need to hit for diversity purposes.
For the TV companies packing the ranks with those who are less able to command the highest money makes sense for now. At some point though someone is going to bring a pay discrimination grievance up and they'll end up getting raked over the coals for it.
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Post by rowbeartoe on Oct 6, 2023 2:20:34 GMT
Not one of you can tell me you value Micah Richards' opinion and put him on the same level as Keane, Carragher, Souness and Neville etc. but there he is every weekend.
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Post by knype on Oct 6, 2023 3:37:36 GMT
Not one of you can tell me you value Micah Richards' opinion and put him on the same level as Keane, Carragher, Souness and Neville etc. but there he is every weekend. Superb pundit and analyst is Micah! A breath of fresh air |
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Post by DansViews on Oct 6, 2023 4:07:27 GMT
I find that most of them just constantly churn out football cliches all game. And the other ones just screech.
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Post by kemilss on Oct 6, 2023 4:23:07 GMT
I'm fine with equal payments when it's tax dollars, I.e. national team pay. But when it's the free market, and no one wants to watch women's sports (not even women) why do we have to strive for equality?
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Post by scfcnicholas on Oct 6, 2023 5:16:47 GMT
Don’t see what he says being wrong at all. He says it’s not part of the experience in his opinion. Then goes onto praise women’s football. But be rude not to be sensationalist and highlight that wouldn’t it… You can’t really say anything nowadays though obviously.
Cliche bollocks phrase to be mentioned by some cunt will undoubtedly be dinosaur
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 6, 2023 6:18:54 GMT
Not one of you can tell me you value Micah Richards' opinion and put him on the same level as Keane, Carragher, Souness and Neville etc. but there he is every weekend. Superb pundit and analyst is Micah! A breath of fresh air He doesn’t ‘analyse’ though does he, he’s there for the bantz? |
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Oct 6, 2023 6:45:51 GMT
Not one of you can tell me you value Micah Richards' opinion and put him on the same level as Keane, Carragher, Souness and Neville etc. but there he is every weekend. It's purely for the comedy value, plus it's a useful box tick!! |
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Post by chad on Oct 6, 2023 6:56:38 GMT
KKs spot on. I’ve stopped watching nearly all the footie programs because of inane rambling of women. And don’t get me started on women commentators I just turn the sound off
All because the BBC have this all inclusive agenda at all costs
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Post by matelot1996 on Oct 6, 2023 7:14:19 GMT
The World needs people who are willing to say what they really feel without fear of being attacked. Well done Kev completely agree.
On another slightly different subject, The whole intertwining of Womens football onto the back of men’s football gets on my nerves. The Women’s game is riding the crest of the men’s game wave. If they had their own Media channels, grounds, infrastructure etc it would be a failing enterprise.
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 6, 2023 7:20:06 GMT
Kevin Keegan is an absolute prick, a dinosaur living in a bygone age. What these people really need to understand is voicing an 'opinion' in this way just opens the door for the misogynists to start laying into women and abusing individuals on social media. See this thread.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 6, 2023 7:22:55 GMT
KKs spot on. I’ve stopped watching nearly all the footie programs because of inane rambling of women. And don’t get me started on women commentators I just turn the sound off All because the BBC have this all inclusive agenda at all costs You're fine with the inane rambling of men though? |
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Post by baconburger on Oct 6, 2023 7:30:26 GMT
KKs spot on. I’ve stopped watching nearly all the footie programs because of inane rambling of women. And don’t get me started on women commentators I just turn the sound off All because the BBC have this all inclusive agenda at all costs You're fine with the inane rambling of men though? Too fookin right can’t we just have a couple of hours without listening to bloody women. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 6, 2023 7:33:03 GMT
You're fine with the inane rambling of men though? Too fookin right can’t we just have a couple of hours without listening to bloody women. I'd rather listen to a car alarm going off for 90 minutes than Robbie Savage. |
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Post by baconburger on Oct 6, 2023 7:43:41 GMT
Kevin Keegan is an absolute prick, a dinosaur living in a bygone age. What these people really need to understand is voicing an 'opinion' in this way just opens the door for the misogynists to start laying into women and abusing individuals on social media. See this thread. Misogynists 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 FFS. What’s the opposite of misogynist bitchwhipped. |
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Post by cheadlepotter on Oct 6, 2023 8:28:13 GMT
I don’t think it’s particularly helpful to label every single use of a non-white male on tv as “box ticking”. Whilst I don’t doubt that some are there for that reason only, there are some who are clearly good enough to be there.
Any TV company wants to attract the biggest audience it can, and if employing the likes of Jill Scott and Clinton Morrison attracts more women and black people to view their product then it makes perfect sense.
Sue Smith has become a very good pundit too. Never thought I’d ever say that when she started but she has.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Oct 6, 2023 9:01:47 GMT
Superb pundit and analyst is Micah! A breath of fresh air He doesn’t ‘analyse’ though does he, he’s there for the bantz?
Is that Micah "Not even going to bother to attempt to give ANY insight or knowledge whatseover, i'm just going to piss around with my mates like an annoying 12 year old on the back of a school bus and laugh for 2 hours whilst saying absolutely sod all of any relevance, even to the sport let alone the game im doing the punditry for" Richards?
The same Micah Richards that many on here keep telling us every week is a great pundit, yet never actually bothers to do any punditry and barely even speaks about the game because he's too busy telling jokes and flirting with any woman on the show he's appearing on?
If that's what people are looking for, then i can see why they don't want women as pundits. It's not an "old boys club", it's very much a "childish, little boys club" nowadays. I'm only surprised Micah and the boys haven't been caught vaping behind the bike sheds. Complete manchild and a massive waste of a salary for a "pundit", yet many on here who apparently just want knowledgable pundits (honestly, that's their only issue with women being pundits...honestly it is!) absolutely love him. Strange!
I'd take Emma Hayes and Alex Scott over that prick any day of the week, regardless of how experienced he is at elite level.
Quite simply, if anyone says they just want the best people for the job and that's the ONLY reason they don't want ANY female pundits, and then says that they like Micah Richards as a pundit, then they're outing themselves as a complete liar about their reasons.
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