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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2023 12:47:00 GMT
old joke ...
how did you get on at the footie ?
Good, we played the local quarry and beat them 2-1 on aggregate .
We lost 6-0 to watford on aggregate last season
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Post by kjpt140v on Aug 20, 2023 12:58:29 GMT
Idiots
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2023 13:26:15 GMT
Disagree, it'll be back to a back four when the Algerian Brown arrives. We would have been mullered with Hoever and Chiquinho down the right hand side. Maybe we would, maybe we wouldn't. I'd like to think that there is more than one way to make a 433 solid enough at HOME and retain more of a threat up front rather than reaching for the back 5 at the first sign of trouble. What is he saying, that he can't get his 433 working against a team that will press us and the only way around it is to sit deep at home in a back 5 and hope for a wonder strike? Pretty damning of him, his coaching team and the work they do on the training ground if true. Even Pulis managed to do that with a back 4... When the squad is fully assembled I think 352 will be the exception. If he's continually going back to it after the window closes then I will concede your point. Currently though we are very short in fullback and wide forward areas. I think he's already realised that Hoever and Chiquinho is a no go hence the signing of Leris and the other young winger. That's not to say 352 won't make another appearance against certain opposition. We really struggled against Watford last season. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2023 13:28:28 GMT
Maybe we would, maybe we wouldn't. I'd like to think that there is more than one way to make a 433 solid enough at HOME and retain more of a threat up front rather than reaching for the back 5 at the first sign of trouble. What is he saying, that he can't get his 433 working against a team that will press us and the only way around it is to sit deep at home in a back 5 and hope for a wonder strike? Pretty damning of him, his coaching team and the work they do on the training ground if true. Even Pulis managed to do that with a back 4... When the squad is fully assembled I think 352 will be the exception. If he's continually going back to it after the window closes then I will concede your point. Currently though we are very short in fullback and wide forward areas. I think he's already realised that Hoever and Chiquinho is a no go hence the signing of Leris and the other young winger. That's not to say 352 won't make another appearance against certain opposition. We really struggled against Watford last season. Fair points there mate. I hope you're right. 👍 |
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Aug 20, 2023 13:30:08 GMT
Can someone explain to me why it's always '5 at the back and negative' rather than '3 at the back and positive'? And does anyone really believe that a back 5 including Hoever is really a 5 at the back? He's about as good at defending as Ricky Fuller was and ambles back about as often. When we lined up before kick off we were 5 across the middle with 3 at the back???? But what do I know? Perception is the problem. We're not a club who have had much luck with 3-5-2 or 5-3-2 over the years. Pretty much all our most successful teams over the years have played with 4 at the back and pretty much whenever we've tried to play with wing backs it's been a dismal failure. So it's not a formation we've had much success with over the years and most of our memories of it have involved dull, negative football and shit results. I think that's behind the constant clamour for 4 at the back. In general we've got far more positive memories of 4 at the back. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Aug 20, 2023 14:15:21 GMT
Can someone explain to me why it's always '5 at the back and negative' rather than '3 at the back and positive'? And does anyone really believe that a back 5 including Hoever is really a 5 at the back? He's about as good at defending as Ricky Fuller was and ambles back about as often. When we lined up before kick off we were 5 across the middle with 3 at the back???? But what do I know? Perception is the problem. We're not a club who have had much luck with 3-5-2 or 5-3-2 over the years. Pretty much all our most successful teams over the years have played with 4 at the back and pretty much whenever we've tried to play with wing backs it's been a dismal failure. So it's not a formation we've had much success with over the years and most of our memories of it have involved dull, negative football and shit results. I think that's behind the constant clamour for 4 at the back. In general we've got far more positive memories of 4 at the back. I’m not arguing about the tactical merits of the formation mate. What I was trying to point out was that those who dislike us playing that formation say it’s 532 and a negative set up whereas those in favour class it as 352 and claim it to be an attacking formation. The reality is that it’s supposed to be both isn’t it? Isn’t that the point of wing backs. They’re wingers when we’re attacking and full backs when we’re defending? The problem is proper and competent wing backs are as rare as rocking horse shit which is why it rarely works properly outside the top teams. |
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Post by mickstupp on Aug 20, 2023 15:36:19 GMT
Perception is the problem. We're not a club who have had much luck with 3-5-2 or 5-3-2 over the years. Pretty much all our most successful teams over the years have played with 4 at the back and pretty much whenever we've tried to play with wing backs it's been a dismal failure. So it's not a formation we've had much success with over the years and most of our memories of it have involved dull, negative football and shit results. I think that's behind the constant clamour for 4 at the back. In general we've got far more positive memories of 4 at the back. I’m not arguing about the tactical merits of the formation mate. What I was trying to point out was that those who dislike us playing that formation say it’s 532 and a negative set up whereas those in favour class it as 352 and claim it to be an attacking formation. The reality is that it’s supposed to be both isn’t it? Isn’t that the point of wing backs. They’re wingers when we’re attacking and full backs when we’re defending? The problem is proper and competent wing backs are as rare as rocking horse shit which is why it rarely works properly outside the top teams. The problem is we just don’t get enough bodies in forward positions when we play 3 or 5 at the back. The two lads up front yesterday were feeding off scraps. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Aug 20, 2023 16:18:33 GMT
I’m not arguing about the tactical merits of the formation mate. What I was trying to point out was that those who dislike us playing that formation say it’s 532 and a negative set up whereas those in favour class it as 352 and claim it to be an attacking formation. The reality is that it’s supposed to be both isn’t it? Isn’t that the point of wing backs. They’re wingers when we’re attacking and full backs when we’re defending? The problem is proper and competent wing backs are as rare as rocking horse shit which is why it rarely works properly outside the top teams. The problem is we just don’t get enough bodies in forward positions when we play 3 or 5 at the back. The two lads up front yesterday were feeding off scraps. I agree. They were. Tymon is the only proper wing back we’ve got who gets into those wide forward positions. Pity he’s so poor defending. Hoever is a nice footballer and would make a good ‘inside forward’ a la the reinvented Trent AA but he can’t play on the wing, he can’t beat a man and his crosses are crap and he’s awful at full back. Hopefully this Algerian/French/Italian lad will be what we need. PS. Just to clarify I’m not a fan of 352 or 532 I was simply making the point that it’s 5 at the back and negative when we’re slagging it and 3 at the back when it’s the most positive wonder formation. When in reality it’s the same formation depending on the phase of the game. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 20, 2023 16:25:32 GMT
there is a problem with 433 hoever is fine as a RB with a jacob brown , Diouf , SJW type in front of him He is not fine with a chiquino type in front of him we need to get in a brown /diouf / sjw type by the end of the month or a RB enabling us to move hoever up the pitch Seems like that’s the kind of role the Algerian excels at. If so could be a shrewd signing. Chiquinho has looked extremely raw in his admittedly limited minutes on the pitch |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Aug 20, 2023 16:43:11 GMT
there is a problem with 433 hoever is fine as a RB with a jacob brown , Diouf , SJW type in front of him He is not fine with a chiquino type in front of him we need to get in a brown /diouf / sjw type by the end of the month or a RB enabling us to move hoever up the pitch Seems like that’s the kind of role the Algerian excels at. If so could be a shrewd signing. Chiquinho has looked extremely raw in his admittedly limited minutes on the pitch It may have been mentioned but if it has I haven’t seen it but talking of Chiquinho did anyone else notice him stomp off at the end yesterday in what looked like a right strop? |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 20, 2023 17:53:12 GMT
Interesting comment from their forum
Stevenage and Stoke are the two teams we've played that decided to compete with us and we haven't coped at all well.
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Post by Veritas on Aug 22, 2023 14:47:36 GMT
Seems like that’s the kind of role the Algerian excels at. If so could be a shrewd signing. Chiquinho has looked extremely raw in his admittedly limited minutes on the pitch It may have been mentioned but if it has I haven’t seen it but talking of Chiquinho did anyone else notice him stomp off at the end yesterday in what looked like a right strop? No |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Aug 22, 2023 15:05:16 GMT
It may have been mentioned but if it has I haven’t seen it but talking of Chiquinho did anyone else notice him stomp off at the end yesterday in what looked like a right strop? No Obviously not 🤣🤣 But he definitely did. When the rest were celebrating on the pitch he stomped straight off to the dug out. I didn’t see whether he then went off down to the tunnel or came back onto the pitch but it gave the impression he was in a right mardy. |
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