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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 19, 2023 18:46:47 GMT
He’s explained in the post match presser why he set up like he did and it worked,1-0 job done.”our best chance of winning the game” how is that bottling it mate? Playing 5 at the back at home is bottling it, no matter how the manager tries to explain it away. I can't remember troubling Bachmann much outside of Vidigal's wonder strike and his effort in the first half that was comfortably saved...both from the edge of the area. If that's what he's classing as the best way of winning the game then that's very interesting in itself. I look at it another way. Had Vidigal's effort not gone in the marks and tone of the posts on here would be very different, which I think proves the point. Fine margins as we know. Some people can look beyond the giddiness of a win, others can't and I respect that. Sorry mate can’t agree at all and I’ve always been of the opinion that it’s horses for courses.I suspect we’ll do exactly the same when certain other teams come to the Bet365 also whether our fans agree and it’s most certainly not bottling it for me |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2023 18:47:43 GMT
Playing 5 at the back at home is bottling it, no matter how the manager tries to explain it away. I can't remember troubling Bachmann much outside of Vidigal's wonder strike and his effort in the first half that was comfortably saved...both from the edge of the area. If that's what he's classing as the best way of winning the game then that's very interesting in itself. I look at it another way. Had Vidigal's effort not gone in the marks and tone of the posts on here would be very different, which I think proves the point. Fine margins as we know. Some people can look beyond the giddiness of a win, others can't and I respect that. Sorry mate can’t agree at all and I’ve always been of the opinion that it’s horses for courses.I suspect we’ll do exactly the same when certain other teams come to the Bet365 also whether our fans agree and it’s most certainly not bottling it for me Fair enough mate, we disagree. Thanks for at least trying to have an adult debate over it. 👍 |
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Post by andyapotter on Aug 19, 2023 18:53:26 GMT
I fucking love reading these threads. Every fucking time it's the same. If he picks a 'great team we lose and if he 'bottles it' we play well. He did bottle it though. We very rarely had more than 2 people in the box at home because of how we set up. Early in the second half we had a flat 5 across the backline. At home. Don't be conned by the result. We won. Last season we lost 4-0. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2023 18:54:00 GMT
Sorry mate can’t agree at all and I’ve always been of the opinion that it’s horses for courses.I suspect we’ll do exactly the same when certain other teams come to the Bet365 also whether our fans agree and it’s most certainly not bottling it for me Fair enough mate, we disagree. Thanks for at least trying to have an adult debate over it. 👍 Managers live and die by results mate, and Neil's decision to set up how he did today was vindicated by us winning. I get where you're coming from and agree to a certain extent, but we won, and that is all that matters at the end of the day. How we performed is secondary and the manager away from the cameras will hopefully fully understand that w me weren't great and work on the reasons why. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Aug 19, 2023 19:12:56 GMT
Can someone explain to me why it's always '5 at the back and negative' rather than '3 at the back and positive'?
And does anyone really believe that a back 5 including Hoever is really a 5 at the back? He's about as good at defending as Ricky Fuller was and ambles back about as often.
When we lined up before kick off we were 5 across the middle with 3 at the back????
But what do I know?
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Post by stokiejoe89 on Aug 19, 2023 19:16:56 GMT
Can someone explain to me why it's always '5 at the back and negative' rather than '3 at the back and positive'? And does anyone really believe that a back 5 including Hoever is really a 5 at the back? He's about as good at defending as Ricky Fuller was and ambles back about as often. When we lined up before kick off we were 5 across the middle with 3 at the back???? But what do I know? As I said above using wing backs is a really attacking formation IF the players do their jobs. So I completely agree with you, i've always seen it as 3 at the back. It gives you width and the option of 2 upfront. How people spin that to be negative has always confused me. If anything it's more risk than a back 4 |
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Aug 19, 2023 19:18:32 GMT
Winning team and 3pts selection. |
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Aug 19, 2023 19:19:25 GMT
Playing 5 at the back at home is bottling it, no matter how the manager tries to explain it away. I can't remember troubling Bachmann much outside of Vidigal's wonder strike and his effort in the first half that was comfortably saved...both from the edge of the area. If that's what he's classing as the best way of winning the game then that's very interesting in itself. I look at it another way. Had Vidigal's effort not gone in the marks and tone of the posts on here would be very different, which I think proves the point. Fine margins as we know. Some people can look beyond the giddiness of a win, others can't and I respect that. Sorry mate can’t agree at all and I’ve always been of the opinion that it’s horses for courses.I suspect we’ll do exactly the same when certain other teams come to the Bet365 also whether our fans agree and it’s most certainly not bottling it for me It's just an example of the hard headed pragmatism we hoped AN would originally bring with him isn't it? Sure our beasting at the hands of Watford last season impacted his selection/set-up. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 19, 2023 19:21:41 GMT
Sorry mate can’t agree at all and I’ve always been of the opinion that it’s horses for courses.I suspect we’ll do exactly the same when certain other teams come to the Bet365 also whether our fans agree and it’s most certainly not bottling it for me It's just an example of the hard headed pragmatism we hoped AN would originally bring with him isn't it? Sure our beasting at the hands of Watford last season impacted his selection/set-up. For me it’s needed in the Championship mate and I also noticed that Thompson and Johnson both took one for the team as Watford tried to break and that’s what Neil talked about regularly when he first came |
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Aug 19, 2023 19:26:27 GMT
It's just an example of the hard headed pragmatism we hoped AN would originally bring with him isn't it? Sure our beasting at the hands of Watford last season impacted his selection/set-up. For me it’s needed in the Championship mate and I also noticed that Thompson and Johnson both took one for the team as Watford tried to break and that’s what Neil talked about regularly when he first came Agreed,we seem to have more nouse now as well,with the likes of Pearson and Johnson knowing when to break up play with the tactical fouling. Feels like we're signing not just better footballers,but more knowing players with it. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 19, 2023 19:42:52 GMT
He’s explained in the post match presser why he set up like he did and it worked,1-0 job done.”our best chance of winning the game” how is that bottling it mate? Playing 5 at the back at home is bottling it, no matter how the manager tries to explain it away. I can't remember troubling Bachmann much outside of Vidigal's wonder strike and his effort in the first half that was comfortably saved...both from the edge of the area. If that's what he's classing as the best way of winning the game then that's very interesting in itself. I look at it another way. Had Vidigal's effort not gone in the marks and tone of the posts on here would be very different, which I think proves the point. Fine margins as we know. Some people can look beyond the giddiness of a win, others can't and I respect that. It wasn't 5 at the back - it was 352. Some teams do play with 5 at the back but we didn't - it's only a defensive formation if the wing backs sit but ours didn't. And as a formation against Watford it worked brilliantly - they hardly got a look in first half and it wasn't because we were defending, we took the game to them. |
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Post by J-Roar on Aug 19, 2023 20:01:50 GMT
if he had gone for the same tactics as the ipswich game and come unstuck in a similar fashion , he would have been hammered . he had to address the problems that came to light at ipswich and did . agree that hoever and chiquino down the right wont work. we have made a lot of signings ...vidigal has gone off like a rocket , chiquino and Mmaee not so clever . There are signs that maybe Mmaee might come good ? in time ? But AN has to get points on the board today . AN is paid to make the call and called it right . Any argument , well what if we hadn't won? is daft . He called it right And from the team sheet it appears AN knows where we need to strengthen by September 1st Basically people saying 'if I wasn't wrong I'd have been right'. Never the cleverest argument |
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Post by tosh on Aug 19, 2023 20:09:56 GMT
He’s explained in the post match presser why he set up like he did and it worked,1-0 job done.”our best chance of winning the game” how is that bottling it mate? Playing 5 at the back at home is bottling it, no matter how the manager tries to explain it away. I can't remember troubling Bachmann much outside of Vidigal's wonder strike and his effort in the first half that was comfortably saved...both from the edge of the area. If that's what he's classing as the best way of winning the game then that's very interesting in itself. I look at it another way. Had Vidigal's effort not gone in the marks and tone of the posts on here would be very different, which I think proves the point. Fine margins as we know. Some people can look beyond the giddiness of a win, others can't and I respect that. To say that he’s bottling it, after winning three of his first four matches with a vastly changed squad is a bit ridiculous. You can make a more rational judgment maybe after thirteen games or twenty three games. He is also hoping to have one or two more key players within the next two weeks. It’s a very satisfactory start with so many newly signed players. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2023 9:07:49 GMT
Winning team and 3pts selection. Very happy to be proven wrong, at least you've stopped with the poor puns. |
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Post by stokie63 on Aug 20, 2023 10:34:59 GMT
Did Neil say why Pearson didn't start?
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Post by delilahwhy on Aug 20, 2023 10:36:06 GMT
Thank fuck I’ve chosen to not watch this today. 😂😂😂😂😂 |
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Post by delilahwhy on Aug 20, 2023 10:36:29 GMT
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Post by delilahwhy on Aug 20, 2023 10:37:27 GMT
Fuck me hes shat himself. Or maybe you have. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 20, 2023 10:38:28 GMT
He definitely shat himself.
3 at the back at home is shite.
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Post by delilahwhy on Aug 20, 2023 10:41:07 GMT
He definitely shat himself. 3 at the back at home is shite. Worked perfectly. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 20, 2023 10:45:34 GMT
Did it?
It was like watching paint dry and Watford had nothing. They looked awful and like they should be mid table fodder.
It was a good result but we shouldn't be scared of shit like that Watford side.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2023 10:46:31 GMT
Did it? It was like watching paint dry and Watford had nothing. They looked awful and like they should be mid table fodder. It was a good result but we shouldn't be scared of shit like that Watford side. We had 41% of the ball and had less shots on target than them (2 to their 3), at home. Apparently we were the better side though... |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 20, 2023 10:49:25 GMT
Did it? It was like watching paint dry and Watford had nothing. They looked awful and like they should be mid table fodder. It was a good result but we shouldn't be scared of shit like that Watford side. We had 41% of the ball and had less shots on target than them (2 to their 3), at home. Apparently we were the better side though...  I keep reading that. I think it was pretty equal in all honesty but they had the better chances and I think in real time that penalty shout at the end looked a good one but I haven't seen it back. It had 0-0 written all over it until a moment of magic. Great that we found a way to grind out a win but it was awful to watch and we didn't play well. But this is the Championship, you don't need to play well. |
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Post by lordb on Aug 20, 2023 10:49:30 GMT
First half was negative second half was positive
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2023 10:50:08 GMT
He definitely shat himself. 3 at the back at home is shite. Worked perfectly. Hey up, he's got yet another new account. |
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Post by delilahwhy on Aug 20, 2023 10:51:48 GMT
Did it? It was like watching paint dry and Watford had nothing. They looked awful and like they should be mid table fodder. It was a good result but we shouldn't be scared of shit like that Watford side. Yes it did. 3 points. Clean sheet. Perfect. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2023 10:58:03 GMT
We had 41% of the ball and had less shots on target than them (2 to their 3), at home. Apparently we were the better side though... I keep reading that. I think it was pretty equal in all honesty but they had the better chances and I think in real time that penalty shout at the end looked a good one but I haven't seen it back. It had 0-0 written all over it until a moment of magic. Great that we found a way to grind out a win but it was awful to watch and we didn't play well. But this is the Championship, you don't need to play well. Yes you're right. He set up to deliberately keep it tight, restrict Watford and hit them on the break. I think you can do that with a 433 without going ultra negative. Rowett did it in his sleep. I'd be asking questions of the manager as to why he's doing it so early when he's been backed to bring in footballers like Hoever, Mmaee, Vidigal, Wesley, Chiquinho etc. with more to come. If we had injuries and we needed to keep it a bit coy then fair enough. Reaching for the safety net three games in when things are still gelling? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 20, 2023 10:59:50 GMT
I keep reading that. I think it was pretty equal in all honesty but they had the better chances and I think in real time that penalty shout at the end looked a good one but I haven't seen it back. It had 0-0 written all over it until a moment of magic. Great that we found a way to grind out a win but it was awful to watch and we didn't play well. But this is the Championship, you don't need to play well. Yes you're right. He set up to deliberately keep it tight, restrict Watford and hit them on the break. I think you can do that with a 433 without going ultra negative. Rowett did it in his sleep. I'd be asking questions of the manager as to why he's doing it so early when he's been backed to bring in footballers like Hoever, Mmaee, Vidigal, Wesley, Chiquinho etc. with more to come. If we had injuries and we needed to keep it a bit coy then fair enough. Reaching for the safety net three games in when things are still gelling? Yeah one bad result and he shat it. I don't like that one bit. It's like a 4-0 demolition at home never happened. Every home game in this league we are the favourites. He has to have that attitude. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2023 11:11:48 GMT
Felt that we were the better team, especially in the first half. Spent most of the time watching us move forward than defend.
It was a crap game, but a crap game that we won. Last season, especially at home, we were not doing that.
I have no problem with 352 with the right personnel. I don’t think it worked as well with Vidigal and Wesley. They were too far apart and that caused attacks to break down. It still needed a proper attacking midfielder to help link them up. If we can get a proper AM, then 352 is a great formation for a team that has wing backs (Tymon/Stevens/Hoever) and 2 fairly mobile central defenders who are comfortable on the ball (Wilmot/Rose).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2023 12:44:19 GMT
there is a problem with 433
hoever is fine as a RB with a jacob brown , Diouf , SJW type in front of him
He is not fine with a chiquino type in front of him
we need to get in a brown /diouf / sjw type by the end of the month
or a RB enabling us to move hoever up the pitch
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