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Post by baconburger on Aug 8, 2024 13:52:30 GMT
Hold on 24 hours I’m sure Jared will want him up at Hull. He can bring Jojic too. Such a small stick with which to beat him, barely qualifies as a twig. |
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Post by MilanStokie on Aug 8, 2024 14:21:13 GMT
I will reply also to the edit; I'd sooner have an u21 defender in the squad than watching leris at RB. I've said it all summer, we needed a genuine RB and not rely on utility players to be one of the main 2. No manager/head coach is going to play a completely untested u21 right back (do we even have a right back in the 21s at the moment) over a player that has played plenty of games at right back in Serie A. It just doesn't happen. He didn't really cover RB in serie a, it was more for Morocco. Anyway, to answer your question, Gooch RB with Johnson or baker left mid, where they have played before. |
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Post by LGH87 on Aug 8, 2024 14:29:15 GMT
No manager/head coach is going to play a completely untested u21 right back (do we even have a right back in the 21s at the moment) over a player that has played plenty of games at right back in Serie A. It just doesn't happen. He didn't really cover RB in serie a, it was more for Morocco. Anyway, to answer your question, Gooch RB with Johnson or baker left mid, where they have played before. Baker on the left side of a front 3? This is just getting silly now. |
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Post by MilanStokie on Aug 8, 2024 14:47:42 GMT
He didn't really cover RB in serie a, it was more for Morocco. Anyway, to answer your question, Gooch RB with Johnson or baker left mid, where they have played before. Baker on the left side of a front 3? This is just getting silly now. Neil used him there? Far from desirable but how is Gooch playing there any better??? More to the point, what has Leris got to do with what happens at LW. Sell the bugger now, regardless, he isn't needed... |
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Post by LGH87 on Aug 8, 2024 14:50:40 GMT
Baker on the left side of a front 3? This is just getting silly now. Neil used him there? Far from desirable but how is Gooch playing there any better??? More to the point, what has Leris got to do with what happens at LW. Sell the bugger now, regardless, he isn't needed... Because if Gooch is busy playing left wing which looks likely based on the last two friendlies and the fact that Bae and Vidigal are injured, if Junior then gets injured, who does that leave to play right back? Gooch then has to move from the position he's played for the last two friendlies causing more disruption and we end up with DJ on the left. Absolute desperation time. When did Alex Neil play Lewis Baker on the left of a front 3? |
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Post by MilanStokie on Aug 8, 2024 15:01:47 GMT
Neil used him there? Far from desirable but how is Gooch playing there any better??? More to the point, what has Leris got to do with what happens at LW. Sell the bugger now, regardless, he isn't needed... Because if Gooch is busy playing left wing which looks likely based on the last two friendlies and the fact that Bae and Vidigal are injured, if Junior then gets injured, who does that leave to play right back? Gooch then has to move from the position he's played for the last two friendlies causing more disruption and we end up with DJ on the left. Absolute desperation time. When did Alex Neil play Lewis Baker on the left of a front 3? Of course it's desperation time mate lol, half the squad are league one plodders and we are talking about which desperate option at LW is least shite... One centre back injury away from either a 16 year old playing or using Laurent there again. Baker played wide left, maybe not in a 4-3-3, maybe 4231, but has definitely been used wide left like Johnson. |
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Aug 8, 2024 16:08:29 GMT
No manager/head coach is going to play a completely untested u21 right back (do we even have a right back in the 21s at the moment) over a player that has played plenty of games at right back in Serie A. It just doesn't happen. He didn't really cover RB in serie a, it was more for Morocco. Anyway, to answer your question, Gooch RB with Johnson or baker left mid, where they have played before. I thought he was Algerian? Did he play for a club in Morocco? |
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Post by MilanStokie on Aug 8, 2024 16:55:30 GMT
He didn't really cover RB in serie a, it was more for Morocco. Anyway, to answer your question, Gooch RB with Johnson or baker left mid, where they have played before. I thought he was Algerian? Did he play for a club in Morocco? Sorry yes Algeria, confused with mmaee  |
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Post by baconburger on Aug 8, 2024 18:10:49 GMT
I thought he was Algerian? Did he play for a club in Morocco? Sorry yes Algeria, confused with mmaee Easily confused Leris does his running for him. |
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Post by bloodtypered on Aug 8, 2024 20:19:05 GMT
Spoke to John Walters after the fans forum, he says Leris wants to leave, not much he can do when they are determined to leave....we'll see
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 8, 2024 20:25:50 GMT
Spoke to John Walters after the fans forum, he says Leris wants to leave, not much he can do when they are determined to leave....we'll see If he has said that, again that’s really unprofessional imo. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 8, 2024 20:28:12 GMT
Di Marzio says he's going on Saturday - but that'll be about the 4th arrival day mentioned by the Italian press
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Post by kevkj on Aug 8, 2024 20:28:13 GMT
Great get him gone,no pace,little skill.
He can jump and head a ball.But not on corners just out wide.
Shocking player.
Money in.,result
Bye
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Post by stokesaint1 on Aug 8, 2024 21:28:39 GMT
Leris is never going to be a first choice pick and if it means we get a few bob to put towards a guaranteed starter, let the bugger go and quickly.
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Post by LDE76 on Aug 8, 2024 21:33:58 GMT
Di Marzio says he's going on Saturday - but that'll be about the 4th arrival day mentioned by the Italian press His arrival date has been rearranged more times than that 5 litre pressure sprayer I ordered off Amazon. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 8, 2024 21:37:25 GMT
This is all one big if;
If they are are actually interested
If they are willing to spend 3m Euros which is currently 2.5m quid
If Leris wants to go there
What the fuck are we waiting for?
Get him gone.
We don’t need him for Saturday.
Take the money and run.
Don’t miss out on this once in a lifetime opportunity.
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Post by baconburger on Aug 8, 2024 21:37:58 GMT
Di Marzio says he's going on Saturday - but that'll be about the 4th arrival day mentioned by the Italian press His arrival date has been rearranged more times than that 5 litre pressure sprayer I ordered off Amazon. Yer never know how long it's going to take when you phone up for a medical appointment. He's still number 39 in the queue. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 10, 2024 7:41:28 GMT
Their local press now saying 1m euros - 3m did seem a bit optimistic! www.lanazione.it/pisa/cronaca/lind-litalia-fa-bene-ai-danesi-speriamo-riporti-il-pisa-in-serie-a-d1887ad4In addition to Lind, Leris will also be in town to carry out medical visits. There is also important news about the player. Pisa will buy him out for a million euros, managing to secure, in recent days, a more advantageous agreement with Stoke City, who initially wanted three million. Between clauses and bonuses the company managed to spend much less than expected. He will join Pisa until 2027. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2024 7:47:18 GMT
1M is still a small profit so well done Jared.
Sorry, I mean well done to the scouts and a massive thank you to Jared for sweeping up and making the tea...
😉
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Post by baconburger on Aug 10, 2024 7:47:27 GMT
Their local press now saying 1m euros - 3m did seem a bit optimistic! www.lanazione.it/pisa/cronaca/lind-litalia-fa-bene-ai-danesi-speriamo-riporti-il-pisa-in-serie-a-d1887ad4In addition to Lind, Leris will also be in town to carry out medical visits. There is also important news about the player. Pisa will buy him out for a million euros, managing to secure, in recent days, a more advantageous agreement with Stoke City, who initially wanted three million. Between clauses and bonuses the company managed to spend much less than expected. He will join Pisa until 2027. Wow quite disappointing after all their reports of a fee over €3M. It’s still perfectly acceptable for a player we had little use for who’s never going to hold down any position. |
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Post by baconburger on Aug 10, 2024 7:48:48 GMT
1M is still a small profit so well done Jared. Sorry, I mean well done to the scouts and a massive thank you to Jared for sweeping up and making the tea... 😉 €1M is only an FFP profit in actual monetary terms it’s break even. |
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 10, 2024 8:00:23 GMT
Must be possible to bring in a player like Bocat on the right side who can play in all the positions on the right, or at least a player with pace!  |
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Post by lordb on Aug 10, 2024 8:19:35 GMT
€3m always seemed bonkers
€1m makes sense
if he wants to go then we get our money back so fine but we will need someone who can play RB or RWB
Gooch is a winger or wingback but not an ideal fullback
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 10, 2024 8:27:53 GMT
€3m always seemed bonkers €1m makes sense if he wants to go then we get our money back so fine but we will need someone who can play RB or RWB Gooch is a winger or wingback but not an ideal fullback In my opinion Leris isn't an option on the right side either. He simply hasn't the pace in one on one situations which is needed in modern football. Leris is a right sided midfielder in a 4 4 2 system as I see it, and apart from that it's hard to find a position for him as long as we play 4 3 3. I'm happy we get our money back so we can spend them better elsewhere. |
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Post by Marc01 on Aug 10, 2024 8:35:38 GMT
1M is still a small profit so well done Jared. Sorry, I mean well done to the scouts and a massive thank you to Jared for sweeping up and making the tea... 😉 €1M is only an FFP profit in actual monetary terms it’s break even. People can speculate on profit forevermore… Only those at the club / accountants who are privy to the full details of transfer fees, contractual clauses, agent fees, signing on fees, “loyalty” payments, selling on clauses, etc. etc. can comment with any authority as to the level of any profit. The same applies to the reality of any supposed new transfer model, that some have suggested would be demonstrated by the Léris sale. There’s also VAT to take account of in player purchases, which seemingly wouldn’t apply to the Léris purchase. Don’t know to what extent quoted transfer fees on domestic transfers incorporate VAT paid? pi-accountancy.co.uk/2024/07/10/what-is-football-transfer-tax/#:~:text=Income%20Tax%20and%20National%20Insurance,incur%20a%2020%25%20VAT%20charge. It’s like buying a new car loaded with VAT. If you were to sell it on immediately, or at any point later, you don’t recover that VAT. Stoke obviously paid out huge amounts of VAT with those fantastic 🙂 domestic signings during the Rowett spending spree… never to be seen again. |
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Post by clarkeda on Aug 10, 2024 10:05:53 GMT
I assumed it was €1m fee and €3m total package.
€2m over 3 years is €13.8k a week, which feels about right.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Aug 10, 2024 10:24:29 GMT
Their local press now saying 1m euros - 3m did seem a bit optimistic! www.lanazione.it/pisa/cronaca/lind-litalia-fa-bene-ai-danesi-speriamo-riporti-il-pisa-in-serie-a-d1887ad4In addition to Lind, Leris will also be in town to carry out medical visits. There is also important news about the player. Pisa will buy him out for a million euros, managing to secure, in recent days, a more advantageous agreement with Stoke City, who initially wanted three million. Between clauses and bonuses the company managed to spend much less than expected. He will join Pisa until 2027. Ah so we were trying to play "hard to get" and try and get 3M from Leris. The negotiation team of Jonny Walters and John Coates. Fine giving it a try, but at least with a player that is actually half good. Leris was never worth 3 million |
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Aug 10, 2024 10:57:09 GMT
Their local press now saying 1m euros - 3m did seem a bit optimistic! www.lanazione.it/pisa/cronaca/lind-litalia-fa-bene-ai-danesi-speriamo-riporti-il-pisa-in-serie-a-d1887ad4In addition to Lind, Leris will also be in town to carry out medical visits. There is also important news about the player. Pisa will buy him out for a million euros, managing to secure, in recent days, a more advantageous agreement with Stoke City, who initially wanted three million. Between clauses and bonuses the company managed to spend much less than expected. He will join Pisa until 2027. Would happily get rid at break even in terms of FFP. Poor footballer. |
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Post by nonameface on Aug 10, 2024 11:11:59 GMT
In a leaner squad that provides opportunities to youth players he doesn’t get in the team, so whether it’s €1m or €3m it’s better to have the funds redistributed and used than not.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 10, 2024 15:08:07 GMT
Wonder if this is Hoever-related? www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-celtic-transfer-bosun-lawal-9473612"He trained with us yesterday and was due to be in the squad but we were told in the morning that the deal was closer. If it does get confirmed we wish him well because Mehdi is a great lad and he's done well for us. We wouldn't want to stand in his way." Stoke will only sanction the exit if they are happy with their plan for a replacement. Leris was a right winger by choice but had been playing at right-back through pre-season. Schumacher said: "Absolutely. We wouldn't be risking that if we didn't have someone lined up or we were working on something and we've got a plan. If he does go, can we fill those positions... which we feel as though we can. It's ongoing." |
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