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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 15, 2023 8:47:09 GMT
Some probable nonsense about Peterborough agreeing a deal. Suppose it's just about feasible he'd go there for guaranteed starts, whereas not sure we'd be happy going in with him first-choice here with Edwards back-up? For all that, you'd be surprised if we couldn't attract him here ahead of Peterborough just on finances because Stoke's interest seems serious Looks like they’ve just agreed a fee like we have. He’s an excellent player. He could definitely be a starter. You don't often see teenagers from League 2 thrown straight in though. He certainly seems to have ability, but it's a bit of a jump. Time will tell, but not sure Neil would look at him and Edwards and think 'that'll do me for RB' |
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Post by scfcno1fan on Jul 15, 2023 8:47:58 GMT
Looks like they’ve just agreed a fee like we have. He’s an excellent player. He could definitely be a starter. Where is it said that we've agreed a fee? From the team talk article a while back? Unless I’m making that up. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2023 8:49:48 GMT
Where is it said that we've agreed a fee? From the team talk article a while back? Unless I’m making that up. No you aren't, I'm just wondering if we have anything more concrete than that? If he goes to Peterborough then it's clear we weren't in for him, especially as we have the most competitive budget outside of the parachute boys... |
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Post by gcamoutsideboot on Jul 15, 2023 8:50:16 GMT
he'll be a Stoke player this week And you know this how? I grew up in Barking, I know a lot of people who know him. They've all said he's Stoke bound. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 15, 2023 8:51:52 GMT
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Post by scfcno1fan on Jul 15, 2023 8:55:52 GMT
Looks like they’ve just agreed a fee like we have. He’s an excellent player. He could definitely be a starter. You don't often see teenagers from League 2 thrown straight in though. He certainly seems to have ability, but it's a bit of a jump. Time will tell, but not sure Neil would look at him and Edwards and think 'that'll do me for RB' True. Sometimes you need to take a risk though. I’d rather a player who’s played the games in league 2 like he has and done well as opposed to some premier league loanee who hasn’t played a game. |
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Post by spitthedog on Jul 15, 2023 9:02:28 GMT
You don't often see teenagers from League 2 thrown straight in though. He certainly seems to have ability, but it's a bit of a jump. Time will tell, but not sure Neil would look at him and Edwards and think 'that'll do me for RB' True. Sometimes you need to take a risk though. I’d rather a player who’s played the games in league 2 like he has and done well as opposed to some premier league loanee who hasn’t played a game. Precisely, We often send players out to League 2 clubs to prepare them for Championship football. It’s surely a much better prep than Prem League reserve football. At least they are toughened up and used to competitive football. |
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Post by LGH87 on Jul 15, 2023 9:45:20 GMT
Some probable nonsense about Peterborough agreeing a deal. Suppose it's just about feasible he'd go there for guaranteed starts, whereas not sure we'd be happy going in with him first-choice here with Edwards back-up? For all that, you'd be surprised if we couldn't attract him here ahead of Peterborough just on finances because Stoke's interest seems serious He’s just the type of signing they make and then sell for big money. |
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Post by shakermaker on Jul 15, 2023 9:55:39 GMT
You don't often see teenagers from League 2 thrown straight in though. He certainly seems to have ability, but it's a bit of a jump. Time will tell, but not sure Neil would look at him and Edwards and think 'that'll do me for RB' True. Sometimes you need to take a risk though. I’d rather a player who’s played the games in league 2 like he has and done well as opposed to some premier league loanee who hasn’t played a game. James Justin went straight from League 1 to being a regular in the Premier League. No reason at all why exceptional talents like Junior can’t make the jump from League 2 to Championship. My only concern is whether he is as good at full back as he is at RWB, though I see he played several games in a back four for Colchester this season. |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Jul 15, 2023 10:21:47 GMT
This is the sort of deal that really excites me. Great prospect whose value will only rise.
Really hope it happens.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jul 15, 2023 11:22:00 GMT
Will be a great signing.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Jul 15, 2023 11:25:52 GMT
Some probable nonsense about Peterborough agreeing a deal. Suppose it's just about feasible he'd go there for guaranteed starts, whereas not sure we'd be happy going in with him first-choice here with Edwards back-up? For all that, you'd be surprised if we couldn't attract him here ahead of Peterborough just on finances because Stoke's interest seems serious He’s just the type of signing they make and then sell for big money. Absolutely All the more reason for us to get in and clinch it |
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Post by knype on Jul 15, 2023 11:30:04 GMT
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Post by iamstokie on Jul 15, 2023 14:15:33 GMT
True. Sometimes you need to take a risk though. I’d rather a player who’s played the games in league 2 like he has and done well as opposed to some premier league loanee who hasn’t played a game. James Justin went straight from League 1 to being a regular in the Premier League. No reason at all why exceptional talents like Junior can’t make the jump from League 2 to Championship. My only concern is whether he is as good at full back as he is at RWB, though I see he played several games in a back four for Colchester this season. Justin took a while break into Leicesters first team except cup games , he played 11 matches in his first season for them. |
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Post by Northy on Jul 15, 2023 15:00:00 GMT
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Post by peterthornesboots on Jul 15, 2023 15:06:22 GMT
I really like the look of him.
This will be a big test of how attractive we are as a club, because we certainly will not the only offer on the table.
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Post by thevoid on Jul 15, 2023 16:24:47 GMT
I really like the look of him. This will be a big test of how attractive we are as a club, because we certainly will not the only offer on the table. If we can't compete with Peterborough we may as well pack up and go home |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2023 18:12:08 GMT
I really like the look of him. This will be a big test of how attractive we are as a club, because we certainly will not the only offer on the table. If we can't compete with Peterborough we may as well pack up and go home Not defending them at all but they’re renowned as a great springboard/stepping stone club for lower league and non league players. It would be a logical move for him, but I hope we get him nonetheless |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 15, 2023 18:12:50 GMT
If we can't compete with Peterborough we may as well pack up and go home Not defending them at all but they’re renowned as a great springboard/stepping stone club for lower league and non league players. It would be a logical move for him, but I hope we get him nonetheless If you’re a young attack minded player then there’s only one choice really. And ain’t us. |
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Post by robstokie on Jul 15, 2023 18:25:25 GMT
The worry now is that if we don't sign him, and it's looking like we won't, then we will panic and bring in another 30+ free agent whose best days are behind them. Would rather we give Edwards/Macari/Sparrow (though he does look better as a box to box midfielder) the opportunity to stake a claim as they will surely develop and leave us in a better position long term. Same with the other side - Stevens to play only if we push Tymon further forward, not ahead of him.
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Post by clarkeda on Jul 15, 2023 18:28:59 GMT
Not defending them at all but they’re renowned as a great springboard/stepping stone club for lower league and non league players. It would be a logical move for him, but I hope we get him nonetheless If you’re a young attack minded player then there’s only one choice really. And ain’t us. I agree, if I’m him i’m going to Peterborough even if we offer less money. Be closer to home for him too. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 15, 2023 18:35:42 GMT
If you’re a young attack minded player then there’s only one choice really. And ain’t us. I agree, if I’m him i’m going to Peterborough even if we offer less money. Be closer to home for him too. Yeah it makes way more sense for him. More game time. Better progression routes. More chance of being noticed. Etc etc Like the Sanderson one people seemed adamant we were the better move until it looked like he wasn’t coming here. Which made me laugh. We were clearly always second fiddle for good reasons. I don’t think this is obvious. It’s all paper talk but if he moved there it totally makes sense and we’d just have to accept it. I hope he signs though, he sounds ideal. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 15, 2023 18:40:06 GMT
I agree, if I’m him i’m going to Peterborough even if we offer less money. Be closer to home for him too. Yeah it makes way more sense for him. More game time. Better progression routes. More chance of being noticed. Etc etc Like the Sanderson one people seemed adamant we were the better move until it looked like he wasn’t coming here. Which made me laugh. We were clearly always second fiddle for good reasons. I don’t think this is obvious. It’s all paper talk but if he moved there it totally makes sense and we’d just have to accept it. I hope he signs though, he sounds ideal. If the fee started getting up towards £1m and maybe beyond, they'd struggle though surely? And you'd think we could double whatever it was they offered, wage-wise, which is always the head-turner for most 19 year-olds. The interesting thing is if we'd offer him the starting spot though, or just try and gradually give him game time. I'm not convinced him and Edwards is anywhere near sufficient as a duo |
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Post by clarkeda on Jul 15, 2023 18:43:13 GMT
Yeah it makes way more sense for him. More game time. Better progression routes. More chance of being noticed. Etc etc Like the Sanderson one people seemed adamant we were the better move until it looked like he wasn’t coming here. Which made me laugh. We were clearly always second fiddle for good reasons. I don’t think this is obvious. It’s all paper talk but if he moved there it totally makes sense and we’d just have to accept it. I hope he signs though, he sounds ideal. If the fee started getting up towards £1m and maybe beyond, they'd struggle though surely? And you'd think we could double whatever it was they offered, wage-wise, which is always the head-turner for most 19 year-olds. The interesting thing is if we'd offer him the starting spot though, or just try and gradually give him game time. I'm not convinced him and Edwards is anywhere near sufficient as a duo They’re just about to sell a CM to Bristol aren’t they? Or they’ve just sold one I’m sure. Then they’re always an Edwards/JCH/that winger we looked at bid away from having funds. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 15, 2023 18:51:31 GMT
Yeah it makes way more sense for him. More game time. Better progression routes. More chance of being noticed. Etc etc Like the Sanderson one people seemed adamant we were the better move until it looked like he wasn’t coming here. Which made me laugh. We were clearly always second fiddle for good reasons. I don’t think this is obvious. It’s all paper talk but if he moved there it totally makes sense and we’d just have to accept it. I hope he signs though, he sounds ideal. If the fee started getting up towards £1m and maybe beyond, they'd struggle though surely? And you'd think we could double whatever it was they offered, wage-wise, which is always the head-turner for most 19 year-olds. The interesting thing is if we'd offer him the starting spot though, or just try and gradually give him game time. I'm not convinced him and Edwards is anywhere near sufficient as a duo Have they sold that CB yet? They always seem to get money in and then reinvest. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2023 19:52:43 GMT
Some probable nonsense about Peterborough agreeing a deal. Suppose it's just about feasible he'd go there for guaranteed starts, whereas not sure we'd be happy going in with him first-choice here with Edwards back-up? For all that, you'd be surprised if we couldn't attract him here ahead of Peterborough just on finances because Stoke's interest seems serious He’s just the type of signing they make and then sell for big money. Very much so ,Ivan Toney and Sammie Szmodics... saw Peterborough bank big profits . Seems very much a Peterborough type signing, but we need to gamble too . Technically gamble is perhaps pushing it .He's played nearly a hundred games for Colchester at 19 years old ( league 2 plus EFL throphy plus FA cup, plus league cup) and he is improving, not getting worse . How many indicators do we actually need to show some belief in our own judgement and give a young player a chance. While Peterborough are giving youngsters like Ivan Toney a chance we are going for the experience of Sam vokes and Dwight Gayle . Where is the upside in that? |
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Post by cdf on Jul 15, 2023 19:57:35 GMT
If we can't compete with Peterborough we may as well pack up and go home Not defending them at all but they’re renowned as a great springboard/stepping stone club for lower league and non league players. It would be a logical move for him, but I hope we get him nonetheless I would sign him on a contract for Stoke then send him out on loan to League One for the season |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 15, 2023 21:15:25 GMT
The worry now is that if we don't sign him, and it's looking like we won't, then we will panic and bring in another 30+ free agent whose best days are behind them. Would rather we give Edwards/Macari/Sparrow (though he does look better as a box to box midfielder) the opportunity to stake a claim as they will surely develop and leave us in a better position long term. Same with the other side - Stevens to play only if we push Tymon further forward, not ahead of him. Sparrow should never play as a rb/rwb ever again, it was absolutely moronic. |
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Post by gcamoutsideboot on Jul 16, 2023 1:00:56 GMT
backs up what I've been told anyway.
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Post by clarkeda on Jul 16, 2023 2:09:09 GMT
backs up what I've been told anyway. What have you been told mate |
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