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Nov 9, 2024 0:20:09 GMT
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Post by numpty40 on Nov 9, 2024 0:20:09 GMT
The Police commissioner has said so in an interview, there are literally clips everywhere of the fans doing everything above as described. There are several eye witness statements from local people verifying it. A couple of minutes googling “Maccabi Tel Aviv racist fans” and you’ll see articles galore on their fans, the songs they were singing about Arabs, Gazan children, Palestinian being annexed are literally par for the course….. I take it this farrukh guy is an authority on the shenanigans in Amsterdam? |
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Nov 9, 2024 0:30:26 GMT
Post by Ariel Manto on Nov 9, 2024 0:30:26 GMT
I take it this farrukh guy is an authority on the shenanigans in Amsterdam? I think “authority” is stretching things somewhat, but it’s just to demonstrate what Prestwich was saying. Nonetheless Sky previously reported what was going on… |
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Israel
Nov 9, 2024 0:32:32 GMT
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Post by Gawa on Nov 9, 2024 0:32:32 GMT
See if Maccabi Tel Aviv were to play Stoke and their hooligans were provoking and insulting Stoke fans and locals and disrespecting our minutes of silence. You can sure bet Emre and crouchpotsto true British patriots would be front of the queue defending foreign hooligans attacking locals 🤣 The true British patriot. Funny that. I went the away game in 2011. It was probably one of the best away days I've ever had. The most hospitable, friendly country you could ever wish to visit. This was before the terrorists in October 7th mind. And I've been to Sunny Beach and had a lovely time and was treated great by locals too. Doesn't mean I now decide everytime their football fans get in a fight its because the world hates Bulgarians or whichever religion they are. I'm sorry but that's just an incredibly woke mindset. |
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Israel
Nov 9, 2024 0:37:45 GMT
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Post by Gawa on Nov 9, 2024 0:37:45 GMT
See if Maccabi Tel Aviv were to play Stoke and their hooligans were provoking and insulting Stoke fans and locals and disrespecting our minutes of silence. You can sure bet Emre and crouchpotsto true British patriots would be front of the queue defending foreign hooligans attacking locals 🤣 The true British patriot. Would Stoke fans welcome Maccabi Tel Aviv fans with Pro Palestinian flags? What do you mean by pro Palestine flags? Palestine is a country. Its not a hamas flag. If Ajax fans were to display a Poland flag against Hertha Berlin in 1940 it wouldn't allow the Berlin fans to then disrespect the locals and behave like hooligans and then claim it was an anti German program whebn the locals retaliate, which then allegedly nearly needed the SS to fly in and escort them out of. This is woke nonsense and I'm amazed so many people are falling fornit. |
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Israel
Nov 9, 2024 0:48:34 GMT
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Post by Gawa on Nov 9, 2024 0:48:34 GMT
Also nevermind Sunny Beach.
I've worked with Dutch people for years and been to Amsterdam upwards of 5 times. Never had a problem and only ever been treated with the best hospitality.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 9, 2024 1:00:17 GMT
This had can completely passed me by.
I don't know what is worse, the fact that he insults the memory of those Jews who actually suffered the violence of the pogroms, or the fact that he feels the need to toady up to Israel in such an obsequious manner ...
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 9, 2024 2:31:11 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 9, 2024 3:02:16 GMT
Absolutely superbly articulated and it goes right to the heart of current Israeli psyche ...
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Post by LphPotter on Nov 9, 2024 3:22:38 GMT
Why have multiple Presidents and Prime ministers across the world even commented on this bit of football violence? Why are they all saying the same thing?
All very very strange. Unbelievably strange in fact.
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Post by Gawa on Nov 9, 2024 15:42:28 GMT
So sky news have since deleted this news story.
I'm looking forward to reading about the next time people are arrested for football hooliganism as I know there'll be alot of vocal people on here denouncing the two tier policing.
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Post by probably on Nov 9, 2024 17:00:48 GMT
Sky News haven’t deleted this though.
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Post by Gawa on Nov 9, 2024 17:45:06 GMT
Sky News haven’t deleted this though. And that was posted before the one taken down too. What don't they want people to see. |
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Israel
Nov 9, 2024 17:49:54 GMT
Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 9, 2024 17:49:54 GMT
I don't know why you and the A-team don't just move over to Palestine. The Dutch king has condemned the anti-semitism and here we have the Corbyn Kangaroo court of the far-left side of the oatcake in full swing. Are you prepared to retract and apologise for this, now the truth has come to light? |
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Nov 9, 2024 17:51:47 GMT
Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 9, 2024 17:51:47 GMT
I’d say because there is no correlation with believing it’s wrong for a group of people to be oppressed, with having to go over and fight yourself. I mean practically speaking I couldn’t go to Gaza and fight against the IDF even if I wanted to so how would that even work? "Beliveing it's wrong for a group of people to be oppressed." A bit like 6 million deaths in the holocaust? Utterly disgraceful attempt at doubling down. |
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Israel
Nov 9, 2024 20:00:23 GMT
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Post by emretezzy on Nov 9, 2024 20:00:23 GMT
I don't know why you and the A-team don't just move over to Palestine. The Dutch king has condemned the anti-semitism and here we have the Corbyn Kangaroo court of the far-left side of the oatcake in full swing. Are you prepared to retract and apologise for this, now the truth has come to light? Of course I'm not you silly old crusty. Not sure what truth you see on the Far-Left of Twitter but as the great Dutch king Willem-Alexander said "our history has taught us how intimidation goes from bad to worse," adding that the country could not ignore "antisemitic behaviour". And anyway I'm out tonight so won't be responding. |
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Post by Gawa on Nov 9, 2024 21:17:40 GMT
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Israel
Nov 9, 2024 21:55:13 GMT
Post by backintheday on Nov 9, 2024 21:55:13 GMT
See if Maccabi Tel Aviv were to play Stoke and their hooligans were provoking and insulting Stoke fans and locals and disrespecting our minutes of silence. You can sure bet Emre and crouchpotsto true British patriots would be front of the queue defending foreign hooligans attacking locals 🤣 The true British patriot. Funny that. I went the away game in 2011. It was probably one of the best away days I've ever had. The most hospitable, friendly country you could ever wish to visit. This was before the terrorists in October 7th mind. So was I thought it was a great place as you say very hospitable. all was quiet between the natives though at the time |
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Nov 10, 2024 2:12:34 GMT
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Post by musik on Nov 10, 2024 2:12:34 GMT
Will Israel join the ESC next time?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 10, 2024 7:58:04 GMT
As the truth becomes more obvious SKY are twisting themselves in knots trying to keep the story alive of the Israeli football fans being the victims in this…..
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Nov 10, 2024 8:01:26 GMT
Post by probably on Nov 10, 2024 8:01:26 GMT
Will Israel join the ESC next time? Eurovision Song Contest 2025? Yes, it loos like it. Plus, I don't see why not if Israel wants to subject itself to it. It'll certainly make for great telly given how partisan it is. Israel hasn't selected a contestant yet - that happens from today as Israel holds it's auditions (or HaKokhav HaBa as it calls it) from 10 November 2024. Apparently, the selection process goes on a bit, with auditions, shortlisting rounds, heats, semi-finals and eventually a final. Israel - Eurovision 2025 |
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Post by probably on Nov 10, 2024 8:05:58 GMT
As the truth becomes more obvious SKY are twisting themselves in knots trying to keep the story alive of the Israeli football fans being the victims in this….. It's certainly a weird one given that the rest of the planet outside of mainstream broadcasting seems to know what's actually happened in Amsterdam. I think the reason they've legitimised the undoubted cover up to themselves is that they don't want to flare up tensions across Europe. It's also probably fair to say that Sky, BBC, and other mainstream broadcasters close to government will have received "advice" from governments across Europe to be very careful when reporting this. The trouble is - it's all over Twitter/X and other social media so the truth has already outed, as it were. |
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Israel
Nov 10, 2024 12:19:52 GMT
Post by dirtygary69 on Nov 10, 2024 12:19:52 GMT
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Post by metalhead on Nov 10, 2024 13:45:56 GMT
As the truth becomes more obvious SKY are twisting themselves in knots trying to keep the story alive of the Israeli football fans being the victims in this….. But maybe it's you that's wrong? In this era of Twitter videos, distorted mainstream news, AI fake news, it's very easy to be hoodwinked. You seem infuriated that the news aren't reporting the story to your preferred narrative. During the riots, I saw plenty of things that were conveniently not reported. It's frustrating when it feels like you're screaming in a vacuum right? We're living in the disinformation age. |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Nov 10, 2024 14:06:57 GMT
As the truth becomes more obvious SKY are twisting themselves in knots trying to keep the story alive of the Israeli football fans being the victims in this….. But maybe it's you that's wrong? In this era of Twitter videos, distorted mainstream news, AI fake news, it's very easy to be hoodwinked. You seem infuriated that the news aren't reporting the story to your preferred narrative. During the riots, I saw plenty of things that were conveniently not reported. It's frustrating when it feels like you're screaming in a vacuum right? We're living in the disinformation age. Spot on. We’re all guilty of wanting the truth to fit our beliefs and alliances. When it doesn’t it can be hard to take. |
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Nov 10, 2024 15:37:08 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 10, 2024 15:37:08 GMT
As the truth becomes more obvious SKY are twisting themselves in knots trying to keep the story alive of the Israeli football fans being the victims in this….. But maybe it's you that's wrong? In this era of Twitter videos, distorted mainstream news, AI fake news, it's very easy to be hoodwinked. You seem infuriated that the news aren't reporting the story to your preferred narrative. During the riots, I saw plenty of things that were conveniently not reported. It's frustrating when it feels like you're screaming in a vacuum right? We're living in the disinformation age. Whilst I think it is extremely important to question our news sources today (I started a thread specifically about it on here in the Spring) for all the reasons that you've mentioned, I don't think we can throw the baby out with the bath water either, otherwise we might as well lock ourselves away, with our fingers in our ears and simply refuse to believe anything at all. If you're prepared to put the time in and check and cross reference your sources, I don't think it can be too hard to get somewhere near to the truth. Of course we all have our own biases to contend with and actually, I think this is possibly the biggest hurdle that we all face but I wouldn't swap the numerous news sources available to us nowadays, as it makes it much harder for the main news channels to get away with painting a specific (and not necessarily truthful) narrative. |
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Post by metalhead on Nov 10, 2024 15:58:02 GMT
But maybe it's you that's wrong? In this era of Twitter videos, distorted mainstream news, AI fake news, it's very easy to be hoodwinked. You seem infuriated that the news aren't reporting the story to your preferred narrative. During the riots, I saw plenty of things that were conveniently not reported. It's frustrating when it feels like you're screaming in a vacuum right? We're living in the disinformation age. Whilst I think it is extremely important to question our news sources today (I started a thread specifically about it on here in the Spring) for all the reasons that you've mentioned, I don't think we can throw the baby out with the bath water either, otherwise we might as well lock ourselves away, with our fingers in our ears and simply refuse to believe anything at all. If you're prepared to put the time in and check and cross reference your sources, I don't think it can be too hard to get somewhere near to the truth. Of course we all have our own biases to contend with and actually, I think this is possibly the biggest hurdle that we all face but I wouldn't swap the numerous news sources available to us nowadays, as it makes it much harder for the main news channels to get away with painting a specific (and not necessarily truthful) narrative. But now you're giving credence to 'alternative sources', the same outside fringe voices that were dismissed as far right bots because they reported their version of the truth (one that might have been entirely accurate might I add). What are we calling them now? Heroes? Freedom fighters? It shows just how quickly we'll sack off our own principled stand when it's a different story to be told. Now the mainstream media are lying because it's not our version of the truth. If the mainstream media are not reporting this accurately, then it's not unreasonable to suggest that they have distorted reporting during other challenging times in recent history. |
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Nov 10, 2024 16:07:53 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 10, 2024 16:07:53 GMT
Whilst I think it is extremely important to question our news sources today (I started a thread specifically about it on here in the Spring) for all the reasons that you've mentioned, I don't think we can throw the baby out with the bath water either, otherwise we might as well lock ourselves away, with our fingers in our ears and simply refuse to believe anything at all. If you're prepared to put the time in and check and cross reference your sources, I don't think it can be too hard to get somewhere near to the truth. Of course we all have our own biases to contend with and actually, I think this is possibly the biggest hurdle that we all face but I wouldn't swap the numerous news sources available to us nowadays, as it makes it much harder for the main news channels to get away with painting a specific (and not necessarily truthful) narrative. But now you're giving credence to 'alternative sources', the same outside fringe voices that were dismissed as far right bots because they reported their version of the truth (one that might have been entirely accurate might I add). What are we calling them now? Heroes? Freedom fighters? It shows just how quickly we'll sack off our own principled stand when it's a different story to be told. Now the mainstream media are lying because it's not our version of the truth. If the mainstream media are not reporting this accurately, then it's not unreasonable to suggest that they have distorted reporting during other challenging times in recent history. And I haven't said anything to the contrary. |
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Post by metalhead on Nov 10, 2024 16:11:34 GMT
But now you're giving credence to 'alternative sources', the same outside fringe voices that were dismissed as far right bots because they reported their version of the truth (one that might have been entirely accurate might I add). What are we calling them now? Heroes? Freedom fighters? It shows just how quickly we'll sack off our own principled stand when it's a different story to be told. Now the mainstream media are lying because it's not our version of the truth. If the mainstream media are not reporting this accurately, then it's not unreasonable to suggest that they have distorted reporting during other challenging times in recent history. And I haven't said anything to the contrary. It's sad though, that really, we have no way of safely and independently verifying what's real and what isn't. Even the Fact checking websites are now politicised and untrustworthy. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 10, 2024 16:17:13 GMT
And I haven't said anything to the contrary. It's sad though, that really, we have no way of safely and independently verifying what's real and what isn't. Even the Fact checking websites are now politicised and untrustworthy. And Musk is about to become a dangerously powerful Trump aide! You're absolutely right, it's an utter minefield out there and we all have to be more vigilant than ever, there is zero doubt that it is only going to get worse. EDIT: Literally just stumbled on this and here we have it, Orwell must be turning in his grave ... |
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Nov 10, 2024 16:54:36 GMT
It's sad though, that really, we have no way of safely and independently verifying what's real and what isn't. Even the Fact checking websites are now politicised and untrustworthy. And Musk is about to become a dangerously powerful Trump aide! You're absolutely right, it's an utter minefield out there and we all have to be more vigilant than ever, there is zero doubt that it is only going to get worse. EDIT: Literally just stumbled on this and here we have it, Orwell must be turning in his grave ... He missed out the anti-growth coalition. |
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